Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
It can't pull a trialer
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@flabdablet Exactly. People who trot out the "long tailpipe" theory have no understanding of economies of scale. (Nor, apparently, of the fact that coal power generation is in an ongoing downtrend.)
@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Given that electric cars are mechanically simpler than gas burners, I can think of no reason why they shouldn't end up costing less once they're being manufactured at similar scale.
I'd love to have an electric car, but...
- It can't pull a trialer
Why not?
- A "fill up" takes a substantial amount of time
Which is much less relevant when you don't have to stand there holding the nozzle. You can fill 'er up at home overnight, or while parked (I've seen charging stations at malls, hotels, and even the parking lot where I work) while you're off doing other long-term activities, so charging time doesn't matter.
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You can fill 'er up at home overnight, or while parked (I've seen charging stations at malls, hotels, and even the parking lot where I work) while you're off doing other long-term activities, so charging time doesn't matter.
If I'm driving from San Francisco to Yellowstone, it matters.
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You can fill 'er up at home overnight, or while parked (I've seen charging stations at malls, hotels, and even the parking lot where I work) while you're off doing other long-term activities, so charging time doesn't matter.
If I'm driving from San Francisco to Yellowstone, it matters.
Not really. Because then you'd be using the Interstate.
Depending on options, a Tesla will give you approximately 250-300 miles of range to a single charge. At an average highway speed of 60 MPH (assuming, of course, that you don't run into traffic) that's 4-5 hours until you have to stop off at a Supercharger station to fill up.
Filling up takes about half an hour. If it's been 4-5 hours, it's very likely, given human biology, that at this point you're ready to go across the street and spend an hour or so in a restaurant nearby. So again, the charge time becomes irrelevant because you can multitask.
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@dcon I'm almost certain the biggest proponents of electric vehicles forget that some people and some industries need to be able to travel by land hundreds of miles without spending days doing so, or that there is a VAST middle section of the country that isn't solid city with an EV recharging station every third block.
I'd love to watch that Tesla tow a trailer with some tractors and bobcats to a remote construction site 500 miles away on the other side of my state. There might be 3 - 4 tiny tiny towns along the way, so the chances of stopping for a recharge are pretty much 0, which leaves solar charging, and ain't nobody got time for that.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
running a Tesla on coal fired electricity still emits less total CO2 than running a comparably capable car on gasoline
Unfortunately, our current gummint is doing everything it can to drive coal-related businesses into the ground as well. I'd be much happier if we had LFTRs up and running...
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@mott555
https://nikolamotor.com/one...you were saying?
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@masonwheeler Getting rid of the good-old 2005 F450 for a not-yet-released millions-of-dollars electric semi-truck is a great choice for the average farmer/construction company owner.
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@mott555 No, it's OK! The buyers can just enter into a
debt slaveryindentured servitudelease agreement for these wonderful, earth-friendly things. Or they could just stop building or farming shit. Whichever.
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
For a plasma sword to exist, you need a portable power source that carries enough stored energy to create and continuously maintain a focused plasma beam. If it's small enough and light enough to fit inside of a lightsaber, that's a terrorist's dream come true...
It isn't something inside the lightsaber, it comes from "the force"
Filed Under: I'm altering the cannon, pray I don't alter it any further
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Filling up takes about half an hour. If it's been 4-5 hours, it's very likely, given human biology, that at this point you're ready to go across the street and spend an hour or so in a restaurant nearby. So again, the charge time becomes irrelevant because you can multitask.
Fuck that shit. When I'm on the road, "multitask" means eating a sandwich while driving, or I'll just skip a meal entirely.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
It can't pull a trialer
How often do you pull trailers with sports cars? I don't think that's a fair comparison.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@dcon I'm almost certain the biggest proponents of electric vehicles forget that some people and some industries need to be able to travel by land hundreds of miles without spending days doing so, or that there is a VAST middle section of the country that isn't solid city with an EV recharging station every third block.
I'd love to watch that Tesla tow a trailer with some tractors and bobcats to a remote construction site 500 miles away on the other side of my state. There might be 3 - 4 tiny tiny towns along the way, so the chances of stopping for a recharge are pretty much 0, which leaves solar charging, and ain't nobody got time for that.
Exactly. I compete with my dog on average 2x/month in out-of-the-way locations. With my trailer. And a Tesla won't fit my dog crates.
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@groo said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I'm altering the cannon
The closest we could make to a lightsaber with current technology would resemble a cannon, actually. A cannon that shoots lasers. A laser cannon. Which I guess could be used to cut things like a saber. A saber made of light. Which extends off into space. Or is eventually blocked.
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@Tsaukpaetra I spend a fair amount of time towing a small trailer with a Chevy Suburban. The Suburban has enough horsepower to get by, but the trailer outweighs it which makes it handle terribly (compared to, say, my Silverado 2500HD which hardly feels it). I can't imagine pulling anything with a sports car and having it be a safe experience.
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@dcon I'm almost certain the biggest proponents of electric vehicles forget that some people and some industries need to be able to travel by land hundreds of miles without spending days doing so, or that there is a VAST middle section of the country that isn't solid city with an EV recharging station every third block.
I'd love to watch that Tesla tow a trailer with some tractors and bobcats to a remote construction site 500 miles away on the other side of my state. There might be 3 - 4 tiny tiny towns along the way, so the chances of stopping for a recharge are pretty much 0, which leaves solar charging, and ain't nobody got time for that.
Exactly. I compete with my dog on average 2x/month in out-of-the-way locations. With my trailer. And a Tesla won't fit my dog crates.
Clearly you need a smaller dog, you polluting, Earth-hating trogdolyte! And who are they, to live and hold events outside of your EV range?!?!
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I can't imagine pulling anything with a sports car and having it be a safe experience.
I can't imagine calling a seven-seater whose manufacturer explicitly states that it's designed to pull over two tons of trailer a "sports car".
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@flabdablet It still looks like it would fit in the bed of my pickup truck.
Like I hinted earlier, I regularly use an SUV to tow a 2 - 3 ton trailer and it's borderline unsafe. And a Suburban looks considerably larger and heavier than the Model X.
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@mott555 A lot top-heavier, too.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
a Suburban looks considerably larger and heavier than the Model X.
Teslas tend to be significantly heavier than they look, due to the battery pack.
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
a Suburban looks considerably larger and heavier than the Model X.
Teslas tend to be significantly heavier than they look, due to the battery pack.
A lot heavier on the wallet too. I can buy my car, my trailer and all the gas for a lifetime for the cost of an X - and still have enough leftover to have some fun!
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
all the gas for a lifetime
I don't think you know how much money that actually is.
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
all the gas for a lifetime
I don't think you know how much money that actually is.
Hmm ...mathmathmath. Well, in the last 18 years, I've spent 32344.36 on fuel... But since a car won't last a lifetime - lets say I replace it every 10 yrs, I think I'm still ahead.
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
all the gas for a lifetime
I don't think you know how much money that actually is.
Hmm ...mathmathmath. Well, in the last 18 years, I've spent 32344.36 on fuel... But since a car won't last a lifetime - lets say I replace it every 10 yrs, I think I'm still ahead.
A few years ago, I did a side-by-side TCO comparison of the Model S vs. a Corvette Stingray. Depending on maintenance, the price difference would fuel the Stingray for at least 5-10 years.
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@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
A few years ago, I did a side-by-side TCO comparison of the Model S vs. a Corvette Stingray. Depending on maintenance, the price difference would fuel the Stingray for at least 5-10 years.
Maintenance is important. Bear in mind that a pure EV has none of the following, and therefore no maintenance costs for any of it:
- Gas tank
- Cylinders
- Spark plugs
- Flywheel
- Oil, oil pump, and related oil subsystem
- Transmission (auto or manual)
- Drive shaft
- Fuel injectors
- Exhaust system
- Air filters
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Maintenance is important. Bear in mind that a pure EV has none of the following, and therefore no maintenance costs for any of it:
- Gas tank
How often does the gas tank need maintenance? Never had to do anything on any of the three cars I've owned.
- Cylinders
Generally, if you're going to pull heads, it's time for a new car.
- Spark plugs
Which are what, $5 apiece?
- Flywheel
Haven't had one of those in any of my cars.
- Oil, oil pump, and related oil subsystem
I pay about $60 for an 8 quart synthetic change every 5-7k miles. Not exactly a huge expense. For the first two years, my dealer did it for free, too.
- Transmission (auto or manual)
The automatic transmission in my car is used in applications much heavier than my car and expected to last 200k miles.
- Drive shaft
Almost 100 dragstrip passes at 100whp over stock and it hasn't broken yet.
- Fuel injectors
Okay, this one can actually start to get pricey. But again, how often do they get replaced?
- Exhaust system
Only time I've needed work was when the intermediate pipe had rusted and snapped apart on a car well over 10 years old.
- Air filters
My supercharger kit came with a reusable one.
Now, one thing that electric cars have that internal combustion cars do not:
- A ton of expensive rechargeable batteries
If we're going to do an apples to apples TCO estimate for cars out to 10+ years, that needs to be factored in.
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@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Fuel injectors
Okay, this one can actually start to get pricey. But again, how often do they get replaced?
My dad went through three in a year.
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Fuel injectors
Okay, this one can actually start to get pricey. But again, how often do they get replaced?
My dad went through three in a year.
On how old a car?
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@Groaner it was about 8 years old at the time.
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@Fox What kind? Name and shame.
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
It's currently costing me $1.30 a litre, 12 cents of which is GST (which has replaced all other forms of sales tax) and 40 cents is fuel excise.
That sounds excessive. Not far off what I pay per gallon, so roughly four times the amount.
I didn't realize you lived in a left coast hell hole. Here in the glorious center of the US, we pay $0.50-$0.60 per gallon (so, around $0.15 a litre) for gas excise / sales taxes.
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@anotherusername '03 Ford Mustang, though I think the replacement he got was a generic part, so not Ford's fault.
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Ford Mustang
Ah, there's your problem. See, while their brand name is an initialism for "Fix Or Replace Daily," they're also nice in that they take all the problems with their vehicles and draw a blue oval around them.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
biggest proponents of electric vehicles forget
They're not forgetting. They're dealing with a different market segment that it is easier for them to compete in.
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
excessive gas taxes like the Euros
If the those Eastern European lads wouldn't fart as much we wouldn't be in this pickle to begin with
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
What would a manual CVT look like exactly?
Hopefully it would involve two big mad-science-movie-type levers that you use to crank the belt in one direction or the other.
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
We looked at our expected mileage and the difference in car price and it just made no sense.
Even with the Federal tax credit?
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
big mad-science-movie-type levers
There's never enough of those. The best I can do is to trigger my piranha traps with a laser tripwire, and where's the fun in that?
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Plus you pay for your fuel efficiency with comfort.
"comfort" is presumably not an overriding concern for someone who drives a tin can a.k.a. kei car.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
What's the "comfort" difference between your car and mine?
He didn't mean your car, he meant flabdablet's.
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@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I'd be fine with an option to disable the air bags, but no, the gummint sees fit to require me and mine to play Russian Roulette should I get in an accident that triggers the bags.
If you're brave, you could probably unhook the thing's wiring.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Depend what you mean by "excessive".
Considering the gas station I drove by this morning wanted $1.89 for a gallon, I'd say "what @flabdablet pays in taxes" is excessive.
And that's before we even consider exchange rates.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
He didn't mean your car, he meant flabdablet's.
If the shift lever isn't falling through the floor and it isn't full of raw fish, it won't be the worst car I've been in.
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@tufty said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
although even then if you allow "manual" up and downshifting like every automatic I've driven in the last few years you're no better.
Why would you ever want to do that? I mean, outside of a few specialized situations.
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You can fill 'er up at home overnight, or while parked
@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
the parking lot where I work
Going to be a long time, though, before such options are widespread. Nobody in an apartment, for example, is likely to be able to install a home charger. I know where there're a few public chargers near me, but the closest one is about 3 miles away. During rush hour (and lunch!) that's literally a 15-minute drive, and then I have to find a way to get back to the office. Quite inconvenient.
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@dkf said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
biggest proponents of electric vehicles forget
They're not forgetting. They're dealing with a different market segment that it is easier for them to compete in.
And trying to proselytize new converts into that market segment.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
And that's before we even consider exchange rates.
Or proper fluid unites?
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So it's not necessarily electric drive that I'm against, I'm just not a fan of rechargeable batteries with all the weight, expense, lack of recharge stations, and time required to recharge. Make an electric vehicle with a portable fusion reactor as a power source and then I'll be very interested.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I'd be fine with an option to disable the air bags, but no, the gummint sees fit to require me and mine to play Russian Roulette should I get in an accident that triggers the bags.
If you're brave, you could probably unhook the thing's wiring.
You horrible man! That's illegal! I would never do such a thing!
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@Luhmann said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
proper fluid unites
When the mommy fluid and the daddy fluid love each other very much, ...