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@Yamikuronue I can't help but think that even if these practises are all bullshit, having a tantrum and refusing to put up with said bullshit and being generally uncooperative reeks of Generation Snowflake™©®
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@bb36e It's like playing the Game of Thrones: you're damned if you do, dead if you don't.
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@Yamikuronue said in Safe Space:
And that's 100% fair! But if they give you detailed requirements, and you decline to estimate on principle because "estimates are bad" and "it'll be done when it's done", you're a grade-A entitled asshole.
Have you ever once gotten proper detailed requirements under a Scrum regime? Because I haven't. (If I ever had, it would have surely been such a memorable event that I would remember!)
I've been frustrated by people who talk like that guy far too much, so maybe I'm overly critical, but the point is that micromanagement isn't necessarily the point of agile. Transparency is the point of agile. And the fearmongering "this is just like government surveillance guys" attitude speaks to a juvenile understanding of what work is.
Because we've never had TDWTF stories on here about management who don't understand the difference between "appearing busy" and actually going through the process of productive development work...
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@blek said in Safe Space:
The internet suggests that, though it might just be a case of a very vocal minority; millenials are the generation that grew up with modern computers and internet, they're more used to it so they're more likely to use these tools to broadcast their stupidity than previous generations.
IMHO I think it is because of the internet and the fragmentation of the media that we get this: people are more likely to stay within their comfort zones than get exposed to points of view or ideas different from theirs.
(Older Gen-Xer here.)
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@slavdude Yeah, that definitely plays a role too. The fact that big internet companies (FB, Google) blatantly manipulate what people see probably doesn't help either.
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@aliceif said in Safe Space:
And I'm female, so that makes it even more likely to have what I say automatically dismissed.
Whatever.
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@AyGeePlus said in Safe Space:
tl;dr; stereotypes inaccurate, more news at 11?
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@boomzilla said in Safe Space:
Precisely. This is the thing that too many people fail to understand: stereotypes exist for a reason, and if they failed to serve their purpose, people wouldn't use them.
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@accalia said in Safe Space:
unless you want to piss on it too to claim it?
how else does one keep small mongrel animals away?
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@aliceif said in Safe Space:
I'm seriously getting sick of people saying that.
Better retreat to your #safespace!
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@boomzilla said in Safe Space:
@aliceif said in Safe Space:
And I'm female, so that makes it even more likely to have what I say automatically dismissed.
Whatever.
Dude, did you not read that article from the other thread?
"Whatever" is passive aggressive.
Don't be passive aggressive.
Which means, by the transitive theory of logic and stuff, be aggressive.
@aliceif said in Safe Space:
And I'm female, so that makes it even more likely to have what I say automatically dismissed.
WHATEVER YOU WHINY DOUCHE-POKER
There, see? No more passive aggressiveness.
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@Groaner said in Safe Space:
They ain't gonna get a detailed estimate until there are detailed requirements.
If there are substantial questions about the requirements, it gets kicked out of planning and to the product owners to go and figure out what they want. That's not much of a problem with estimates.
The problem with estimates is that, quite often, you simply don't know the system well enough to provide an answer with any kind of value. Usually you can guess based on similar problems you've dealt with, but every system is different - if "displaying a grid" means writing three lines of code to fetch a table from the database and two to hook the data to a pre-made control, it's fine. When it requires writing your grid control from scratch, the estimate baloons. When it requires hooking up to a particularly retarded grid control that makes you wish you could just write a new one from scratch because it would be 100 times easier, but you can't... well, you know.
And diving into a new project, or a part of the codebase you haven't worked with, you have no idea which of the three situations you'll be facing. (You can ask, but if the answer is "that grid control is super fast hot shit", bump your estimates up, you're probably talking to its' developer.). So the estimate can be anywhere between "an hour" and "two to four weeks and the company's yearly coffee supplies".
A rule of thumb is: if your team could ask the company's janitor and get an estimate that isn't significantly less valid than yours, don't even bother estimating. Throw a "?" card, say "we need to look into it" and move on, possibly carving out a few hours for an investigative task.
Or just ask the janitor. He costs less, he'll probably appreciate not having to scrub toilets for a few minutes, and he'll be just as useful on your Scrum planning session as you.
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@masonwheeler said in Safe Space:
@fbmac said in Safe Space:
TRWTF is Scrum
Why “Agile” and especially Scrum are terrible
Note: My first novel, Farisa’s Crossing, will be released in spring 2022. Agility is a good thing, no doubt, and the Agile Manifesto isn’t unreasonable. Compared to a straw-man practice…
Sometimes a like just isn't enough.
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@error said in Safe Space:
If you ever feel the need to reassure your audience that you're "not a racist"
I'm not racist, but I know someone who is!
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@ben_lubar said in Safe Space:
@error said in Safe Space:
If you ever feel the need to reassure your audience that you're "not a racist"
I'm not racist, but I know someone who is!
That's racist against racists!
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@ben_lubar said in Safe Space:
I'm not racist, but I know someone who is!
HEY! Some of my best friends are racist.
....
wait. actually, I think I have some very shitty friends.
I need new friends.
Will you by my friends?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Safe Space:
Will you by my friends?
There's probably an area of your town where you can
buyrent some for a while.
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@FrostCat said in Safe Space:
@aliceif said in Safe Space:
I'm seriously getting sick of people saying that.
Better retreat to your #safespace!
I'm not one of those people.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Safe Space:
So the estimate can be anywhere between "an hour" and "two to four weeks and the company's yearly coffee supplies".
Your company must be very mean with its coffee. ;) If you work for somewhere even moderately large, there's no physical way to consume that much caffeine in four weeks without killing yourself. (I've scaled back these days…)
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@ben_lubar said in Safe Space:
@error said in Safe Space:
If you ever feel the need to reassure your audience that you're "not a racist"
I'm not racist, but I know someone who is!
I'm not a racist, but some of my best friends are.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Safe Space:
@ben_lubar said in Safe Space:
I'm not racist, but I know someone who is!
HEY! Some of my best friends are racist.
....
wait. actually, I think I have some very shitty friends.
I need new friends.
Will you by my friends?
If you need a friend to get blathered with without the philosophical overtones. Sure!
I'm also available on weekdays to help bury bodies. No questions asked. If you want questions they cost alcohol.
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@chozang said in Safe Space:
@ben_lubar said in Safe Space:
@error said in Safe Space:
If you ever feel the need to reassure your audience that you're "not a racist"
I'm not racist, but I know someone who is!
I'm not a racist, but some of my best friends are.
I'm racist and in the market for a best friend. My particular peeve is the Irish. Fuck those guys.
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@aliceif It's good that you're not one of those people.
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@FrostCat Thanks, I guess?
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@masonwheeler said in Safe Space:
Have you ever once gotten proper detailed requirements under a Scrum regime?
I have. Although until I was halfway through no-one told me the proper requirements document existed and I thought all I had was the use-case document. Which was still about twenty times better than anything I ever got in my previous jobs.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Safe Space:
HEY! Some of my best friends are racist.
but would you want your daughter marrying one?
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@Jaloopa said in Safe Space:
but would you want your daughter marrying one?
That dependents, is he/she filthy rich?
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@DogsB said in Safe Space:
I'm racist and in the market for a best friend. My particular peeve is the Irish. Fuck those guys.
Careful. They're not good to mess with around here; Irish Girl is very popular!
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@masonwheeler said in Safe Space:
Irish Girl is very popular!
That's when “fuck the Irish” takes a turn to the
