:fa_windows: That's Windows 7 for ya
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@RaceProUK said:
Congratulations, you've just pissed off every enterprise customer you have and lost billions of dollars of revenue
they aren't required to upgrade, and if they're still on xp I don't mind losing a few billions
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@ben_lubar Insider build. And it's already obsolete--14295 came out today.
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They should've kept the current system if it had benefits over the others, but renamed "SysWow64" to "System32 (x86)"
The "32" can then be mentally ignored and no more confusion.
Well, "System32(x86)", without the space, would probably be more practical.
Also - judging by how System32, SysWow64, and a lot of other system files & folders seem to be 8.3 DOS names, "Sys32x86" might've been required... Eww.
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@TimeBandit said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Why not do the transparently redirects to system64 for those utter morons then ?
Because transparent redirects blow plague goats. HPUX used to do that sort of thing all over the place, and it was horrible.
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@PleegWat said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
10 is much better than 7 at not going "Hi, we're going to install updates and reboot for half an hour now" on you when you least expect it.
No.
Win 7 has this:
That option does not exist in Win10.
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@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@PleegWat said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
10 is much better than 7 at not going "Hi, we're going to install updates and reboot for half an hour now" on you when you least expect it.
No.
Win 7 has this:
That option does not exist in Win10.
:infinity:
@ben_lubar why is there no emoji for infinity? Call the Emoji Consulate and fix it priority 1 bug.
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@El_Heffe You're just assuming Windows 7 won't ignore your settings.
I know it will ignore the "Download updates but let me choose when to install them" setting on certain updates and install them as soon as you reboot. The list of updates that ignore this setting include the "Update to Windows 10" app.
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@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@PleegWat said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
10 is much better than 7 at not going "Hi, we're going to install updates and reboot for half an hour now" on you when you least expect it.
No.
Win 7 has this:
That option does not exist in Win10.
Not on Windows 10 Home. On Windows 10 Professional, you can enable that specific functionality.
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@powerlord said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@El_Heffe You're just assuming Windows 7 won't ignore your settings.
I've been using Win 7 since it was released in 2009 and it's never ignored that setting.
I know it will ignore the "Download updates but let me choose when to install them" setting on certain updates and install them as soon as you reboot.
Never had that happen.
The list of updates that ignore this setting include the "Update to Windows 10" app.
There are programs that will fix that. If you have half a brain you run one of them.
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@Lorne-Kates said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
:infinity:
@ben_lubar why is there no emoji for infinity? Call the Emoji Consulate and fix it priority 1 bug.
Would prefer :fuck_you: which would be more useful.
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@AlexMedia said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
That option does not exist in Win10.
Not on Windows 10 Home. On Windows 10 Professional, you can enable that specific functionality.
Yes, but setting a connection to "metered" is non-obvious.
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@AlexMedia said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@PleegWat said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
10 is much better than 7 at not going "Hi, we're going to install updates and reboot for half an hour now" on you when you least expect it.
No.
Win 7 has this:
That option does not exist in Win10.
Not on Windows 10 Home. On Windows 10 Professional, you can enable that specific functionality.
Stop it, I hate when you people do that. You can't "enable this functionality", that would mean Microsoft is ok and they decided to let you take control over your own pc. So say it as it is: through registry magic you can trick your computer into thinking it's on metered connection all the time so it won't download and install updates without your permission, which is reversing the registry magic for a moment, so that it downloads and installs updates all by itself.
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How is it that Windows gets so many more updates than Ubuntu and yet 99% of my software on Windows can't get updates from the updater?
Chocolatey should have been a built-in Windows feature, not a third party thing.
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@ben_lubar said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
How is it that Windows gets so many more updates than Ubuntu and yet 99% of my software on Windows can't get updates from the updater?
Chocolatey should have been a built-in Windows feature, not a third party thing.
Presumably if you only install Apps from Windows Marketplace, they'll be updated when an updated version is found too.
Just that those Apps don't always does all things you need them to do... :P
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@kt_ said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Stop it, I hate when you people do that. You can't "enable this functionality", that would mean Microsoft is ok and they decided to let you take control over your own pc.
They were tired of all the idiots running for 10 years without installing updates and complaining that they were insecure, so they made the home version not allow you to stop updates.
@cheong said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Presumably if you only install Apps from Windows Marketplace, they'll be updated when an updated version is found too.
This. It's needed, and a very good platform, really. Immature still, but it's improving.
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@Lorne-Kates said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@ben_lubar why is there no emoji for infinity? Call the Emoji Consulate and fix it priority 1 bug.
HTML entities!
∞→ ∞@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Would prefer :fuck_you: which would be more useful.
Present:
:fu:→
NOOOOOOOOBS!
Filed under: Still missing reversed victory sign though
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@Onyx said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Would prefer :fuck_you: which would be more useful.
Present:
:fu:→That just looks like a blob of nothing. As do many of the emoji here.
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@Magus said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@kt_ said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Stop it, I hate when you people do that. You can't "enable this functionality", that would mean Microsoft is ok and they decided to let you take control over your own pc.
They were tired of all the idiots running for 10 years without installing updates and complaining that they were insecure, so they made the home version not allow you to stop updates.
This. A million times this.
Microsoft were sick and tired of mom&pop complaining about getting hacked and their precious photos cryptolockered while those same people refused to update Windows as they "didn't want ev0l Microsoft controlling their computer!".
So now, mom&pop get updates forced upon them. For their own good.
If you're a power user you're most likely running a Professional edition of Windows, so you can go into Group Policy to influence the behaviour of Windows Update. Best of both worlds: safety for the masses, flexibility for the power users.
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@Maciejasjmj said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@Deadfast said:
Meanwhile in Windows 10 land...
"So you put me to sleep? OK, no worries."
"Oh my god, WAKE UP, WAKE UP, he unplugged the headphones!!!"My family's PC manages to wake up when someone turns the light in the kitchen on. How, I have no idea, but I suspect it has to do with really shitty electrical wiring.
Try turning off Wake On Modem Ring (and Wake On PS/2 activity, if you have it) in the BIOS settings. IIRC all the other hardware wake-up protocols require more than a simple rising edge on a single input line.
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@ben_lubar said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
yet 99% of my software on Windows can't get updates from the updater?
Because all your software is shitty open source crap?
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@AlexMedia said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
those same people refused to update Windows as they "didn't want
ev0l Microsoft controlling their computer!their computer to get noticeably slower and slower each time Windows said it updated".FTFP. No, an aging hard drive cannot possibly be the reason why it now takes 5 minutes to boot instead of the New-from-factory 30 seconds.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
FTFP. No, an aging hard drive cannot possibly be the reason why it now takes 5 minutes to boot instead of the New-from-factory 30 seconds.
And exactly how many programs have you installed since Windows was installed? And how many of them do all kinds of wonky business during start-up?
My install of Windows 10 is now almost a year old and it feels like it still boots as quickly as it did before.
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@AlexMedia said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
And exactly how many programs have you installed since Windows was installed?
We're not talking about me.
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@El_Heffe said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Would prefer :fuck_you: which would be more useful.
I assume I've been
'd, but:
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@blakeyrat said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@ben_lubar said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
yet 99% of my software on Windows can't get updates from the updater?
Because all your software is shitty open source crap?
It's true. Windows Updates only updates shitty proprietary crap.
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@ben_lubar said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
How is it that Windows gets so many more updates than Ubuntu and yet 99% of my software on Windows can't get updates from the updater?
Chocolatey should have been a built-in Windows feature, not a third party thing.
Didn't it (or something like it) just get added in Windows 10?
Edit: It's named OneGet.
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@ben_lubar said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Chocolatey should have been a built-in Windows feature
Raymond Chen apologizes for the continuing lack of a time machine.
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@FrostCat they should just licence it from Apple.
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@FrostCat said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
a time machine
Yeah, it's too bad you need one of those to go forward to 1998.
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@dse said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
It is "Unix System Resources", and has nothing to do with "User"
Cute, but no.
/usrwas the original /home and "Unix System Resources" is a backronym.In particular, in our own version of the system, there is a directory "/usr" which contains all user's directories, and which is stored on a relatively large, but slow moving head disk, while the othe files are on the fast but small fixed-head disk.
(I've seen a much better history but am unable to find it right now.)
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@Dreikin said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
(I've seen a much better history but am unable to find it right now.)
A better history? Maybe. A better source? Nope. :)
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I mentioned earlier that UNIX was not especially suited to applications involving vast quantities of data. The reason is this: files are limited in size to 64K bytes
Nobody will need more than 64K anyway. vast
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@Dreikin said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
In particular, in our own version of the system, there is a directory "/usr" which contains all user's directories, and which is stored on a relatively large, but slow moving head disk, while the othe files are on the fast but small fixed-head disk.
Is there some reason not to have named it '/user' in the first place, or would that have been too user-friendly?
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@coldandtired said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
@Dreikin said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
In particular, in our own version of the system, there is a directory "/usr" which contains all user's directories, and which is stored on a relatively large, but slow moving head disk, while the othe files are on the fast but small fixed-head disk.
Is there some reason not to have named it '/user' in the first place, or would that have been too user-friendly?
A lot of early unix stuff would make one believe letters were in short supply, especially vowels.
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@coldandtired said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
Is there some reason not to have named it '/user' in the first place, or would that have been too user-friendly?
I read somewhere, possibly on here, that the network connection from the teletypes to the actual computer was so slow in the early days that two fewer keystrokes was a noticeable time saver
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@Jaloopa said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
I read somewhere, possibly on here, that the network connection from the teletypes to the actual computer was so slow in the early days that two fewer keystrokes was a noticeable time saver
I remember it being quite a time saver even on a (probably noisy) 9600 baud serial line, and that was massively faster than those early teletypes.
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@Jaloopa said in That's Windows 7 for ya:
two fewer keystrokes
Is there some invisible character in "user" I am not seeing that makes it five characters? Or are you trying to say that "usr" is actually two characters? Because "two" is a really random number to pick as an example for that sentence in context.
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@LB_ I'm going to blame posting early in the morning after my 4 month old baby had a difficult night
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@Jaloopa Do you mean 3 month old? ;)
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@coldandtired 3 and a half, so we're both equally wrong
