WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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Lot of systems 'round 'ere seem to be developing "hardware faults" after upgrading their software, which is odd. (Microsoft is not alone in this)
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Dude, you have a hardware fault
Steve Sinofky hates @boomzilla, that's what it really is.
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The Reliability thingy didn't show anything about network / wireless drivers.
Just looked at mine (neat, TIL). Most recent failure "Windows Wireless LAN 802.11 Extensibility Framework". Yesterday. Hmm - that's right about when I rebooted after an upgrade...
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You people are insane to put up with this shit.
We have Win10 on four computers and none of them have the weird issues that you or other people complain about. I guess not all hardware or upgrades are created equal. Probably the OEM did the bare minimum to get the computer and drivers working with the hardware and never expected the end user to ever install another OS.
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We have Win10 on four computers and none of them have the weird issues that you or other people complain about.
I mostly say it like that because insane people like @blakeyrat say insane things about Linux when I, too, have none of the problems they rant about.
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You just have to realize that when Windows machines have problems, it's always the hardware at fault.
When Linux machines have problems, it's always Linux's fault, no matter what crappy hardware it's running on.
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And the problems Win10 has are probably due to running it on Linux hardware, too.
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Okay, so finally I have encountered a strange unsolvable problem in WIndows 10 on my mom's PC which was upgraded from Windows 7.
The start menu stopped working. When you click it, it just brings up an always-on-top "Critical Error" message asking you to log out.
Logging out and back in -> doesn't fix it
Restarting -> doesn't fix it
Disk check -> clean
sfc /scannow
-> clean
Check for updates -> nothing
MBAM -> cleanSo I said, screw it, let's just reinstall Windows 10 using the built-in reset feature and keep all her files. Computer restarts, gets to a "Choose your keyboard layout" screen, and neither the keyboard nor mouse works on this screen. No combination of USB port and keyboard or mouse in our house will make anything happen on this screen. So, force off the computer and turn it back on, cancels the reset and logs back in with the same issue.
Tried booting into safe mode -> it still doesn't work, and restarting after that it still doesn't work then either
Next in the list of steps I am reading is to create a new local admin account. Except that the button you press to create a new account does nothing. No matter how many times you click it, nothing happens except for the click animation.
So, now my mom has to use her computer without the start menu and without ever creating a new account. She has around 90GB of data that I am not in a mood right now to back up (though she does have Carbonite Backup so maybe we can do something with that at some point, it seems to have everything backed up anyway). Everything else on her computer seems to work for now, at least.
EDIT: See followup
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This is the same issue I ran into.
I choose to reformat and go back to Windows 7 instead which has never done this sort of shit on me in the 5 years I've used it.
Then again, all my data lives on a different drive than the OS, so formatting the SSD means I lose nothing.
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This is the same issue I ran into.
So far all of the issues I've run into have (strangely enough) been beneficial.
- I still get the popup saying I need to do updates, but it can't ever open the Metro control panel to do so.
- Cortana is completely non-functional, so I guess I'm (probably) not getting spied on?
- Windows Store literally disappeared, so I'm not tempted to try any Windows Universe Apps.
- Actually, I don't think my PC is even capable of opening any WUP apps at all.
So.... Basically it's like I'm on Windows 7 with one of those Transformation Pack things applied to it! :D :D
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@powerlord said:
This is the same issue I ran into.
So far all of the issues I've run into have (strangely enough) been beneficial.
- I still get the popup saying I need to do updates, but it can't ever open the Metro control panel to do so.
- Cortana is completely non-functional, so I guess I'm (probably) not getting spied on?
- Windows Store literally disappeared, so I'm not tempted to try any Windows Universe Apps.
- Actually, I don't think my PC is even capable of opening any WUP apps at all.
So.... Basically it's like I'm on Windows 7 with one of those Transformation Pack things applied to it! :D :D
Yeah, on my computer it seemed to hose all Windows Store apps, but since I only had the Start Menu and Search as UWP apps on my taskbar/desktop, I couldn't tell for sure.
You can use Task Manager to open a powershell prompt and create a new user that way as the problem may only affect existing users.
Actually, I might have some tweets from MS support with some help info that they sent me after I moved back to Win7... I'm about to leave work, but if I remember, I'll post them after I get home.
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they sent me after I moved back to Win7
Wait, they sent you information based on the fact that they knew you went back to 7?!?!
Tell me I'm interpreting that incorrectly.
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@powerlord said:
they sent me after I moved back to Win7
Wait, they sent you information based on the fact that they knew you went back to 7?!?!
Tell me I'm interpreting that incorrectly.
They didn't know I'd moved back to 7. They were probably doing a keyword scan on Twitter as I didn't send them any tweets either.
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They didn't know
Oh good. I though it would have been something like, "Hey, this particular machine was part of the In-Place upgrade campaign to Windows 10, but it just attempted to activate as a Windows 7 machine! Based on IP access logs, it looks like this is @powerlord's computer, lets tweet him about that!"
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Yep, that link is the same one I found and none of it worked in my mom's case.
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Got your install media? Try booting from it and doing an upgrade or repair?
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So far all of the issues I've run into have (strangely enough) been beneficial.
You need new hardware.
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You need new hardware.
Recommendations? Most of my stuff has like, 512 mb RAM and 1.7 GHz CPU. Usually 40 GB hard disk.
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Got your install media? Try booting from it and doing an upgrade or repair?
- No install media because it has a recovery partition that can take it back to Win7 or repair it if it is still running Win7
- Whether we decide to go back to Win7 or reinstall Win10 from bootable media, either way it will erase all files and so we would have to deal with that and make sure everything is backed up - too much effort when the start menu is the only thing not working
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@boomzilla said:
You need new hardware.
Recommendations? Most of my stuff has like, 512 mb RAM and 1.7 GHz CPU. Usually 40 GB hard disk.
No. I just know that if you have a problem with Windows, it has to be a hardware error.
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Okay, so, my mom is at the computer and says "Thanks for fixing it!" and I'm like, what? "I didn't fix it, nothing I tried worked." So I come over and THE START MENU IS WORKING AGAIN. I have no idea how that happened.
Filed under: Cross your fingers
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Probably using that Lunix hardware again.
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Probably rebooted. That seems to fix everything Windows.
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Windows : if you reboot and you still have a problem, you must be using Linux hardware
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https://www.reddit.com/r/surface
- Surface pro 4 refuses to wake up?
- SP3 BSOD: DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE
- Will overheating while sleeping shorten hardware lifespan?
- No icon pictures in Start menu?
- How do I get my SP4 to stop sucking?
- SP4 never reconnects to wifi after waking from sleep/ shutdown
I wonder if Microsoft makes Linux hardware but ships Windows on it by mistake.
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Wow, a support forum with support topics!
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Most of it is bugs introduced by Microsoft in updates reading the comments while trying to diagnose an issue with a relative's Surface. Basic things like sleep/wake.
If Microsoft can't get their OS working on their own hardware, I think that pretty much proves it's not our hardware that's not "healthy".
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One of these days MS will figure out how to preserve your network connections during elevation. I mean, it complains when trying to map with different username/password, so clearly it must know about it, so why not re-use it? What possible security ramification is being used that this can't be a thing?
A snippet from the startup script I apply to all the school workstations::: Get rid of the Windows 7 elevated vs. non-elevated drive mapping stupidity reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableLinkedConnections /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
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We have Win10 on four computers and none of them have the weird issues that you or other people complain about.
Windows 10: It works on my machine!
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Probably rebooted. That seems to fix everything Windows.
The Two Basic Rules Of Windows System Administration:
- For minor problems, restart
- For major problems, reinstall
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Event Viewer isn't useless. How else does the "Windows Tech Support" scam artist show you how many errors and issues your computer has?
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Event Viewer isn't useless.
OK, but how does measuring the rate of “shit happened lol” incidents help? I've yet to see it provide much more benefit than that…
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You missed the rest of the quote that outlines the one "use" it has.
Remember even a fresh installation of Windows will have both warnings and errors in the log...
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Event Viewer isn't useless. How else does the "Windows Tech Support" scam artist show you how many errors and issues your computer has?
In my case, "useless" meant "appeared to freeze." Later on, long after I'd left the machine, there was some sort of event viewer related progress thing about installing something or whatever. It had probably opened up underneath or something? It didn't seem to be working at whatever it was trying to do (a couple of hours later, BTW).
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@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Okay, so, my mom is at the computer and says "Thanks for fixing it!" and I'm like, what? "I didn't fix it, nothing I tried worked." So I come over and THE START MENU IS WORKING AGAIN. I have no idea how that happened.
Filed under: Cross your fingers
So, the start menu kept sometimes working and sometimes not working. One day, her 60GB of files suddenly moved themselves into her 1TB cloud storage, and the computer suddenly only had five applications installed on it. It was also somehow much faster despite no change to the hardware. She also had to sign in to some of her accounts again. We're not sure how it happened, but the start menu works every time now.
On an unrelated note, there's now a flash drive in my room that has Windows 10 installation media on it - not sure how it got there but it seems useful.
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Less than 1 hour until the Anniversary update is supposed to become available.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Event Viewer isn't useless.
OK, but how does measuring the rate of “shit happened lol” incidents help? I've yet to see it provide much more benefit than that…
I had an issue with my laptop where it would refuse to stay asleep, so I took a peek at the event viewer and saw that a printer driver was doing network-related task that would always wake it up. Uninstalling the driver fixed that.
So I guess it's helped one person...dunno if that was worth the development effort.
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@LB_ damn it, and I was juat about getting ready to shoot aliens!
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@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Less than 1 hour until the Anniversary update is supposed to become available.
Hmm...I wonder how long it'll take for that thing to run on my SSD'ed Ultrabook™…
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@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Less than 1 hour until the Anniversary update is supposed to become available.
Ugh. Means the other work I wanted to do after work today probably won't happen because my PC will get hijacked for updates instead.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Less than 1 hour until the Anniversary update is supposed to become available.
Ugh. Means the other work I wanted to do after work today probably won't happen because my PC will get hijacked for updates instead.
Maybe... MS usually rolls it out in waves. So it could still be awhile... (I'm just waiting to grab the iso from msdn.)
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@nexekho said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
How do I get my SP4 to stop sucking?
Stop being so flirty with it?
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So, after updating, Google Drive decided that it couldn't locate the Google Drive folder. It was in the same place as always. I said "hey, why not look for it where it's always been?" and it was like "oh yeah lol thanks lemme just double check all the files to make sure they're the same..." and it fixed itself. Other than that, everything seems to be working fine.
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@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So, after updating, Google Drive decided that it couldn't locate the Google Drive folder. It was in the same place as always. I said "hey, why not look for it where it's always been?" and it was like "oh yeah lol thanks lemme just double check all the files to make sure they're the same..." and it fixed itself. Other than that, everything seems to be working fine.
OneDrive did that to me once back on 8.0. I was like, "You created the folder, dimwad!"
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So, after updating, Google Drive decided that it couldn't locate the Google Drive folder. It was in the same place as always. I said "hey, why not look for it where it's always been?" and it was like "oh yeah lol thanks lemme just double check all the files to make sure they're the same..." and it fixed itself. Other than that, everything seems to be working fine.
OneDrive did that to me once back on 8.0. I was like, "You created the folder, dimwad!"
one drive did that to me last week and i was all like "What the fuck?! I KILLED YOU ONCE ALREADY! WHY ARE YOU BACK?!"
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@accalia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So, after updating, Google Drive decided that it couldn't locate the Google Drive folder. It was in the same place as always. I said "hey, why not look for it where it's always been?" and it was like "oh yeah lol thanks lemme just double check all the files to make sure they're the same..." and it fixed itself. Other than that, everything seems to be working fine.
OneDrive did that to me once back on 8.0. I was like, "You created the folder, dimwad!"
one drive did that to me last week and i was all like "What the fuck?! I KILLED YOU ONCE ALREADY! WHY ARE YOU BACK?!"
Unfortunately, OneDrive is one of the only supported ways to get stuff into HoloLens (as far as User content like music and pictures etc is concerned), so I had to set it up again. Now I have yet another file sync program running on my computer that's likely to start pegging a core to 100% for no apparent reason....