Firefox, again
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@Zecc said in Firefox, again:
Here's the text, in case you rather not read off an image
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE INTERNET?
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Firefox: half of our market share is from mobile users who want ublock.
FF Mobile is pretty terrible though. There's no scaling, because as far as I've noticed, it runs equally as bad on every phone.
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@Sumireko said in Firefox, again:
Firefox: half of our market share is from mobile users who want ublock.
it's not ublock and it's not a browser plugin, but it works pretty durned good iffn you ask me.
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@Zecc said in Firefox, again:
These are the last updates to my add-ons. They will cease working with Firefox 57 next November. By then hopefully some alternatives appear.
But the alternative is already here, it's called Pale Moon. It's a sad day when one furry and his IRC buddies have obsoleted what was once one of the greatest open-source success stories out there.
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@Zecc said in Firefox, again:
RIP TabGroups addon. You shall be missed.
It's worse than merely TabGroups. If something like TabGroups stops working and can't be ported to their new gimped extension model, it means Classic Theme Restorer is equally doomed!
Now we we all be force-fed a version of Firefox with shitty toolbar placement, a minuscule "stop/reload" button (whoever invented this one should be given a dunce cap), prev/next arrows merged with the address bar, etc.
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Welcome, Firefox users, to the hell us Opera users knew for years! They removed our theme support, our mouse gestures, mail client / news reader, built-in IRC client, torrent support, tab stacking, high contrast mode...
Yeah, some of those features weren't used by many people. Some got restored. But latest Opera is still heavily lacking when compared to version 9, let alone 12, the last non-Webkit release.
I never liked FF myself, but I can understand your pain. Fuck everyone copying Chrome, the browser I always respected for the underlaying engine, but it never had great UI. How the fuck did that become the standard?
Maybe we should make the term "Everything is Chrome brainworms" now?
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@Onyx Can it even be considered Opera anymore? The renderer is WebKit, the UI is basically square Chrome... Is there anything left that makes Opera Opera?
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@RaceProUK not really, aside from some features surviving after the community got extremely pissy (speed dial and mouse gestures got fixed).
Vivaldi is the next best thing these days, and while I have many a problem with some of the stuff in it I use and support it mainly because the folks who are working on it get what made Opera so good, that being power user features and customizability.
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@bugmenot said in Firefox, again:
@Zecc said in Firefox, again:
These are the last updates to my add-ons. They will cease working with Firefox 57 next November. By then hopefully some alternatives appear.
But the alternative is already here, it's called Pale Moon. It's a sad day when one furry and his IRC buddies have obsoleted what was once one of the greatest open-source success stories out there.
Now that some of my addons work or have alternatives I might actually give it a try...
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@Medinoc said in Firefox, again:
it means Classic Theme Restorer is equally doomed!
The "Unfuck Astral-Syphilis" plug-in is on that list, for sure. It's doomed, and you will be forced to use the pubic-hair encrusted wad-of-crusty-cum on Mozilla's taint that is their UI.
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You know, that makes me think... maybe I should join forces with @Lorne-Kates . Years from now, Onyx and Lorne, two old cunts going around Internet, swearing at people because their sites don't work in FF 22 and Opera 12...
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Current FF "feature" that is pissing me off. On a HiDPI laptop, set the taskbar on the left side. Arrange FF so it's almost as wide as the screen. Close. Open. Watch FF jump to the right by the width of the taskbar. My close X is now off-screen.
Idiots. You don't need to tweak the window position when the task bar is on the left. The coordinates are correct!
(unable to repro on my desktop where the main monitor is at 100%. Or on laptop when taskbar is at bottom)
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@dcon said in Firefox, again:
Current FF "feature" that is pissing me off. On a HiDPI laptop, set the taskbar on the left side. Arrange FF so it's almost as wide as the screen. Close. Open. Watch FF jump to the right by the width of the taskbar. My close X is now off-screen.
Idiots. You don't need to tweak the window position when the task bar is on the left. The coordinates are correct!
(unable to repro on my desktop where the main monitor is at 100%. Or on laptop when taskbar is at bottom)
It's not just FF, that's Windows in general I think. Happens on Chrome too. Easy to do, especially if you're maximized and you change your display configuration in any way (move taskbar, change resolution, change DPI, add/remove an AppDock application).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Firefox, again:
It's not just FF, that's Windows in general I think. Happens on Chrome too.
Not on my machine. Only FF does that.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Firefox, again:
It's not just FF, that's Windows in general I think. Happens on Chrome too.
It is. I keep my taskbar on the top and I regularly get windows getting their titlebars stuck under the taskbar.
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Firefox, again:
It's not just FF, that's Windows in general I think. Happens on Chrome too.
It is. I keep my taskbar on the top and I regularly get windows getting their titlebars stuck under the taskbar.
That's different. I see that too. FF actually starts up at the last open position. And then moves itself to the right. Even if that moves the right side of the window off-screen.
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
Years from now, Onyx and Lorne, two old cunts going around Internet, swearing at people because their sites don't work in FF 22 and Opera 12...
Unlike Firefox 22, using Opera 12 would have been considered crazy when that was still the current version.
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@Onyx You should try Sleipnir. It's very opera-ish. But it's still chrome, sadly...
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I should look up what Lunascape is doing and if they still support FF plugins (at least I think they used to)
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@Magus said in Firefox, again:
Sleipnir
That shit seems too weird even for me
I do like the name, though.
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@Onyx I used it for a year or two, and it's very weird, but pretty usable. It has opera-style mouse gestures, though, which really weirded me out.
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@bugmenot said in Firefox, again:
@Zecc said in Firefox, again:
These are the last updates to my add-ons. They will cease working with Firefox 57 next November. By then hopefully some alternatives appear.
But the alternative is already here, it's called Pale Moon. It's a sad day when one furry and his IRC buddies have obsoleted what was once one of the greatest open-source success stories out there.
When Mozilla kills XUL and Gecko Palemoon will be dead. They can't keep up with web standards without piggybacking on Mozilla's work.
I never liked FF myself, but I can understand your pain. Fuck everyone copying Chrome, the browser I always respected for the underlaying engine, but it never had great UI. How the fuck did that become the standard?
Maybe we should make the term "Everything is Chrome brainworms" now?
Chrome became the standard when they introduced multi-process and sandboxing, which is the reason they are killing XUL extensions in Firefox.
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@magnusmaster said in Firefox, again:
When Mozilla kills XUL and Gecko Palemoon will be dead. They can't keep up with web standards without piggybacking on Mozilla's work.
Actually, they recently came up with Goanna engine (a Gecko branch), stating it will maintain XUL support. To be specific, I just ported a heavily XUL-dependent Firefox addon onto Palemoon without major problems. Just some ES6 polyfills and stuff.
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@dkf said in Firefox, again:
(and in fact, using the FSF's website is a PITA as we're not in
Kansas1995 any more, Toto)It's improved a lot since the last time I looked at it. It looks now like it was actually created in the 21st Century, instead of somewhere around 1995 or so. It's curious, thinking about things like this, and realising that 1995 is now over 20 years ago, but it's only just over 20 years, and yet it might as well be the Paleolithic as far as the Web is concerned.
Heck, in 1995, I used my first Web browser. Netscape Navigator 1.01. It had the charming property of, if you hit "cancel" while a page was loading, putting "<transfer interrupted>" in the page it showed you (sort of kinda semi-reasonable), but ALSO in the cached copy of the page...
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Firefox, again:
It had the charming property of, if you hit "cancel" while a page was loading,
At least it let you cancel; its predecessor (NCSA Mosaic) would block the UI while it was doing the load of the entirety of the page's assets. That sucked hugely when going over the horribly slow transatlantic links of 1993…
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@dkf said in Firefox, again:
At least it let you cancel; its predecessor (NCSA Mosaic) would block the UI while it was doing the load of the entirety of the page's assets.
I used Mosaic for a short while, but it was so long ago that I had forgotten that.
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@Medinoc said in Firefox, again:
a minuscule "stop/reload" button
How on earth does Firefox manage to shrink your Esc and F5 keys?!
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@anotherusername I think they did that in v23.
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
Years from now, Onyx and Lorne, two old cunts going around Internet, swearing at people because their sites don't work in FF 22 and Opera 12...
A surprising amount of sites still work in Opera 12.
But holding onto the past is not the answer. You gotta let it go... let it gooooooo
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@RaceProUK said in Firefox, again:
@Onyx Can it even be considered Opera anymore? The renderer is WebKit, the UI is basically square Chrome... Is there anything left that makes Opera Opera?
Not really, they even sold the company to Chinese investments, and I'd be surprised if most of the original programmers are still there.
In their golden age, Opera's biggest asset was their rendering engine. It was very fast, very good, and very portable. And at the time, the only other decent rendering engines were Gecko (way too hard to port and embed, as I understand) and Trident (which Microsoft wasn't willing to share). So anyone who wanted to embed a web browser in their device had to pay the Opera toll.
But then WebKit came along, and made a good and portable rendering engine available to everyone for free, which ruined Opera's business. And then the HTML5 craze came and rendering engines became 10x more complex. So Opera basically said "welp, I don't really have any valuable assets anymore. I'm out."
But alas, they DID have a valuable asset! They had a small but devoted fanbase of power users who found the other browsers too dumbed down and inflexible. And on top of that, the other browsers were focusing all their efforts into dumbing themselves down even more. Opera could have said "come to us, we have features! We'll let you move the tab bar to the left, disable javascript, and run extensions that are more than just a userscript!" but no, instead they went the "dumbing down" way even harder than the rest. They even removed bookmarks in Opera 15 because they thought they weren't necessary. Bookmarks! A real shame.
Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. I didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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@anonymous234 said in Firefox, again:
I'd be surprised if most of the original programmers are still there.
I'm pretty sure a rather large chunk of the main ones are on Vivaldi boat now. But they probably don't have enough resources to mess around with hacking native toolkits again to do some fancy things with the GUI so they hopped onboard the Electron train...
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
But they probably don't have enough resources to mess around with hacking native toolkits again
Yes, not having any source of income tends to be an obstacle to software projects. Not many people willing to pay for a browser.
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
on Vivaldi boat ... onboard the Electron train
I'm confused. Is the train on the boat, or the boat on the train, or ...?
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@HardwareGeek
Both seem possible
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@HardwareGeek said in Firefox, again:
@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
on Vivaldi boat ... onboard the Electron train
I'm confused. Is the train on the boat, or the boat on the train, or ...?
A train ferry, obviously.
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Or
http://be.zooverresources.com/images/E398393L7B1535716D0W900H675/Het-hellend-vlak-van-Ronquieres.jpg
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@deb00t said in Firefox, again:
@magnusmaster said in Firefox, again:
When Mozilla kills XUL and Gecko Palemoon will be dead. They can't keep up with web standards without piggybacking on Mozilla's work.
Actually, they recently came up with Goanna engine (a Gecko branch), stating it will maintain XUL support. To be specific, I just ported a heavily XUL-dependent Firefox addon onto Palemoon without major problems. Just some ES6 polyfills and stuff.
Interestingly, NodeBB renders fine on Pale Moon except The Lounge.
For some reason, the browser has trouble rendering the static background, scrolling will slow down to a crawl as the CPU spikes.
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@JBert Pale Moon is not unique in that. I have basically the same problem in Chrome on Android.
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
No, just no! Bad fox! No chicken!
Filed under: Could've gone to WTF Bites as well, but meh
How is that a hack? What?!?!?!
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@Tsaukpaetra well, they actually used the world appropriately - a hack, in its base form, is using something (originally technology AFAIK, though now the term spread to everything) in an inventive and unexpected way. This is a simple thing, yes, but I'd say it qualifies.
It also shows how not every hack is a really smart idea...
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@Onyx said in Firefox, again:
It also shows how not every hack is a really smart idea...
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@bb36e
I think those are Darwin Award hacks.
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@izzion #lifehack
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@anotherusername said in Firefox, again:
@Medinoc said in Firefox, again:
a minuscule "stop/reload" button
How on earth does Firefox manage to shrink your Esc and F5 keys?!
Hitting either of those would require me to move my left hand away from my ████, or my right away from the mouse. And it gets worse for Android devices, which have neither key.
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@Medinoc said in Firefox, again:
I give up on trying to get actual spoilertext on this forum.
Closest we have currently is you can use
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Made you look!Or
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The
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version has to be on its own line, but the<abbr>
one can be inline text.
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@Medinoc said in Firefox, again:
I give up on trying to get actual spoilertext on this forum.
We used to have it on ; not sure why no-one's tried to replicate it here yet.
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@anotherusername said in Firefox, again:
@Medinoc said in Firefox, again:
I give up on trying to get actual spoilertext on this forum.
Closest we have currently is you can use
Spoiler
Made you look!Or
Spoiler
The
<details>
/<summary>
version has to be on its own line, but the<abbr>
one can be inline text.Thanks, I updated my post in consequence.