Because there's so much wrong with iTunes
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@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
iTunes and iOS devices are for iDiots.
If I had a nickel for every time you say that I'd have quite a few nickels already, maybe even one fitty!
he's right you know.
@masonwheeler i mean.
seriously, iDevices are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards Apple removes them because it's the "brave" thing to do.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Tim.
Cook's.
Asshole.
Nope.
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@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
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@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@anotherusername said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
They generally produce good hardware
Like the iPhone that flexed when you put it in your pocket, causing it to break?
Happened with a few models only, so fuck you for FUD.
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
I ask because it's an oft-repeated thing that iPhones are about two years behind Android phones w.r.t. features, yet sell at the same price points, and I'm wondering just how true that really is.
I think there are a few Apple-phobes here, like @RaceProUK, @masonwheeler, @accalia, who will tell you Apple sucks just for the shit and giggles, having never used their products (and no, 10 years ago or having a friend doesn't count). Vide I think @accalia's rant about Apple making SD card slot in their laptops half inside/half outside so that people can't easily extend their drives (cause yeah, sure, that's why so many manufacturers do it that way).
But look no further than the @polygeekery's tale about a found MacBook Air, to see how what happens when an Apple-hater tries apple's products.
But noooo! Let's pretend all people using stuff made by Apple are stupid sheeple, too moronic to realize that everything is better and only having anti-conformistic superpowers can get you saved from all the marketing that brainwashed you and me and oh so many others!
So yeah, fuck this! Now I'm fucking pissed, because a fucking small joke made by me had to be fucking interpreted by someone to be a call for another fucking "east side is the best!" "west side is the best!"-type of discussion.
Fuck you, @raceprouk, right in your fucking Tim Cook's asshole!
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@anotherusername said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
And while they sometimes don't support standards, they are also on the cutting edge on other things.
...such as removing useful features, inventing "walled garden" business models that violate some of the oldest principles of general-purpose personal computing, and destroying users' rights to ownership of their own property.
Yeah, Apple's been quite the innovators in the mobile space.
Ooh, you invoked "oldest principles of general-purpose personal computing", scary. In gonna toss my phone into the river on my way to work, you got me so worked up.
Meanwhile, in the Samsung camp…
But yeah, Apple is bad, cause they don't use androi'
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But yeah, Apple is bad,
...because their factory in China needs nets to keep the workers from committing suicide?
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@ben_lubar said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But yeah, Apple is bad,
...because their factory in China needs nets to keep the workers from committing suicide?
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But noooo! Let's pretend all people using stuff made by Apple are stupid sheeple, too moronic to realize that everything is better and only having anti-conformistic superpowers can get you saved from all the marketing that brainwashed you and me and oh so many others!
So yeah, fuck this! Now I'm fucking pissed, because a fucking small joke made by me had to be fucking interpreted by someone to be a call for another fucking "east side is the best!" "west side is the best!"-type of discussion.
Fuck you, @raceprouk, right in your fucking Tim Cook's asshole!5/10. I prefer the Nescafe rants
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@Jaloopa said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But noooo! Let's pretend all people using stuff made by Apple are stupid sheeple, too moronic to realize that everything is better and only having anti-conformistic superpowers can get you saved from all the marketing that brainwashed you and me and oh so many others!
So yeah, fuck this! Now I'm fucking pissed, because a fucking small joke made by me had to be fucking interpreted by someone to be a call for another fucking "east side is the best!" "west side is the best!"-type of discussion.
Fuck you, @raceprouk, right in your fucking Tim Cook's asshole!5/10. I prefer the Nescafe rants
Don't get me started on that!
Btw, I believe most of the Nescafé rants are hidden in the Lounge. I feel constrained, as an artist. Rants want to be free! Open source all the rants! Rants for the president!
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Rants for the president!
I have the impression that is already a thing.
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This post is deleted!
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@kt_ at work, we have the choice of Nescafe or Kenco. I go Kenco every time, Nescafe is a bit bland for me
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
The Galaxy S3 and Nexus 4 do not have manufacturer support for the latest version of Android
Almost no phones have manufacturer support. Then again, they don't typically update whatever Chinese custom ROM thing...
Right, but the Nexus 4 was the official Google Android phone of that generation. If any phone should have long-term support for OS updates, that should be it.
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@Zemm said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I was waiting for that!
The Real is that it took almost 24 hours for it
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@Jaloopa said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ at work, we have the choice of Nescafe or Kenco. I go Kenco every time, Nescafe is a bit bland for me
I don't even know what Kenco is, but just by looking at its name I can tell it's shite compared to Nescafé!
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@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Overpriced compared to what? An iPhone 7 is similarly priced to, say, the S7 Edge, H10 or the Pixel.
Overpriced compared to a Nexus or OnePlus? (That said I think Google was dumb to drop the Nexus, I like them)
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Apple's been quite the innovators in the mobile space.
Yes, they are.
According to rumors, the next model of iPhone will have wireless charging. That's innovation.And if you doubt that it is a useful feature, I can confirm it is, I've been using it for more than a year on my Nexus 6 !
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@TimeBandit said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
That's innovation.
I've been using it for more than a year on my Nexus 6 !
OK, I'm getting totally Poe'd here.
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
OK, I'm getting totally Poe'd here.
You need more coffee ?
A hint just for you:
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
If Tim Cook jumped off a bridge...
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@Maciejasjmj ...it would be a good start?
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
Peter Chou
if you're going to steal my bit at least spend the 2 seconds of research to figure out the right name to curse.
-sigh-
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@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I ask because it's an oft-repeated thing that iPhones are about two years behind Android phones w.r.t. features
Like what?
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@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I ask because it's an oft-repeated thing that iPhones are about two years behind Android phones w.r.t. features
Like what?
NFC, wireless charging, stuff like that.
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
destroying users' rights to ownership of their own property
Name one way that they have done that, that does not apply to all the other manufacturers. I think that mobile phone manufacturers and mobile service providers who lock down phones and put shit on them that you do not want is a totally shit idea. But...everyone is doing it. Not just Apple.
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@anotherusername said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
They generally produce good hardware
Like the iPhone that flexed when you put it in your pocket, causing it to break?
Happened with a few models only, so fuck you for FUD.
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
I ask because it's an oft-repeated thing that iPhones are about two years behind Android phones w.r.t. features, yet sell at the same price points, and I'm wondering just how true that really is.
I think there are a few Apple-phobes here, like @RaceProUK, @masonwheeler, @accalia, who will tell you Apple sucks just for the shit and giggles, having never used their products (and no, 10 years ago or having a friend doesn't count). Vide I think @accalia's rant about Apple making SD card slot in their laptops half inside/half outside so that people can't easily extend their drives (cause yeah, sure, that's why so many manufacturers do it that way).
But look no further than the @polygeekery's tale about a found MacBook Air, to see how what happens when an Apple-hater tries apple's products.
But noooo! Let's pretend all people using stuff made by Apple are stupid sheeple, too moronic to realize that everything is better and only having anti-conformistic superpowers can get you saved from all the marketing that brainwashed you and me and oh so many others!
So yeah, fuck this! Now I'm fucking pissed, because a fucking small joke made by me had to be fucking interpreted by someone to be a call for another fucking "east side is the best!" "west side is the best!"-type of discussion.
Fuck you, @raceprouk, right in your fucking Tim Cook's asshole!
Oh fuck, I am grumpy in he morning! And I think I managed to confuse @raceprouk with @accalia!
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@Maciejasjmj said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
If Tim Cook jumped off a bridge...
I'm actually wondering if this was a play on the fact that Tim Cook's gay? Huh, @accalia?
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@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I ask because it's an oft-repeated thing that iPhones are about two years behind Android phones w.r.t. features
Like what?
NFC, wireless charging, stuff like that.
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@Jaloopa said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ at work, we have the choice of Nescafe or Kenco. I go Kenco every time, Nescafe is a bit bland for me
Are you just trying to trigger him?
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I don't even know what Kenco is, but just by looking at its name I can tell it's shite compared to Nescafé!
How does it compare to iTunes?
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@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
Peter Chou
if you're going to steal my bit at least spend the 2 seconds of research to figure out the right name to curse.
-sigh-
Nah, I'm not gonna and I wouldn't, too much work for mobile.
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@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
How does it compare to iTunes?
I would like to douse iTunes in boiling water and see how it tastes
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@hungrier That's the image!
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@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But...everyone is doing it. Not just Apple.
- If so, then everyone is wrong, not just Apple, but even so, Apple innovated this particular form of abuse. It needs to be illegal. No one should be doing this!
- Not everyone is doing it. It's perfectly possible to put apps on an Android phone that haven't gone through the Google Play Store. (For the s out there: and without needing to pay Google for a corporate developer license and all the hoop-jumping you need in order to sideload something onto an iDiot device.)
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
Peter Chou
if you're going to steal my bit at least spend the 2 seconds of research to figure out the right name to curse.
-sigh-
Nah, I'm not gonna and I wouldn't, too much work for mobile.
@accalia, and I didn't steal it, I ridiculed it!
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@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But...everyone is doing it.
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@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
NFC
Meh. Never use it.
@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
wireless charging
Good idea. But I never use it because it is too slow and it did not work with my old phone case. Plus, I like to charge while I am still using the device.
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@Maciejasjmj said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
If Tim Cook jumped off a bridge...
I'm actually wondering if this was a play on the fact that Tim Cook's gay? Huh, @accalia?
If you're mentally connecting "being gay" with "jumping off a bridge", well...
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Not everyone is doing it. It's perfectly possible to put apps on an Android phone that haven't gone through the Google Play Store.
Same applies to Windows Phone: you can turn on the ability to sideload apps without getting a dev license or anything.
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@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
NFC
Meh. Never use it.
Just because you never use it doesn't mean it's a useless feature for everyone.
@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
wireless charging
Good idea. But I never use it because it is too slow and it did not work with my old phone case. Plus, I like to charge while I am still using the device.
I use it every night. Yes, it's slower than plugging it, but I don't care as long as it is charged when I wake up.
Also, it works even if I have a Ballistic case.
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I think @accalia's rant about Apple making SD card slot in their laptops half inside/half outside so that people can't easily extend their drives (cause yeah, sure, that's why so many manufacturers do it that way).
then tell me, why is it that "full sized" SD card slots are not full sized.
oh, and i interact with apple products daily because about half the company laptops are apples.
we buy the apple laptops for 2.5 k$, and they are outspecc'd by the HP Elite books we buy for 2.2k$.
the elitebooks have a 3 year warranty, the apples have two, and an extra year is not available to us wholesale, we have to buy them separately. We don't bother however, because one in ten apple laptop makes it past the 2 year mark without needing to get replaced for damage, or under warranty.
the elitebooks on the other hand have a 60% survival rate well on into 5 years, although we replace them every 3-4 (depending on yearly budget) because after that they are underperforming to the point efficiency suffers.
Additionally our helpdesk spends 3-5x as much on replacement parts for the Apple products as they do for the PCs. and yes this is all itemized out and verifiable.
oh, and 3 out of 5 laptops that land on that helpdesk with issues that require diagnosis and resolution by our helpdesk technicians are apple laptops.
we pay more, for lower specs, for lower survivability and lower reliability, and higher helpdesk resource requirements.
Apple may work well for you personally, and bully for you if it does, but from where I sit the only way to make apple work "right" is to have a completely homogenous network where the only products in it are apple branded. Otherwise, you will have issues.
That's nothing i'm willing to accept for my personal use, and it's the reason i am vocal against apple product (that and the business practices of apple and apple's board partners)
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
If so, then everyone is wrong, not just Apple, but even so, Apple innovated this particular form of abuse. It needs to be illegal. No one should be doing this!
I don't disagree with you, but I am also using a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus that has a shitload of stuff that I cannot remove from the phone. Some of it is shitty Samsung stuff, some of it is shitty Verizon stuff. I could root it and delete it, but that takes effort.
@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Not everyone is doing it. It's perfectly possible to put apps on an Android phone that haven't gone through the Google Play Store. (For the s out there: and without needing to pay Google for a corporate developer license and all the hoop-jumping you need in order to sideload something onto an iDiot device.)
Yeah. Fair enough. That walled garden is total bullshit. No argument there.
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@RaceProUK said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Same applies to Windows Phone
Maybe, but then you are stuck with a Windows phone
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@masonwheeler said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@Polygeekery said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
But...everyone is doing it. Not just Apple.
- If so, then everyone is wrong, not just Apple, but even so, Apple innovated this particular form of abuse. It needs to be illegal. No one should be doing this!
- Not everyone is doing it. It's perfectly possible to put apps on an Android phone that haven't gone through the Google Play Store. (For the s out there: and without needing to pay Google for a corporate developer license and all the hoop-jumping you need in order to sideload something onto an iDiot device.)
Cry me a river. None of those ever bothered me.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@Maciejasjmj said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@loopback0 said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@RaceProUK Yes? Aside from the obvious headphone jack.
Which, btw, the new HTC flagship will not have, either.
But you know, HTC phones are overpriced shite that dont' even support defacto standards of the day.
and when they do support these defacto standards HTC removes them because something something.
fuck.
that.
shit.
back.
into.
Some.
Fucking.
CEO's.
Asshole.
If Tim Cook jumped off a bridge...
I'm actually wondering if this was a play on the fact that Tim Cook's gay? Huh, @accalia?
If you're mentally connecting "being gay" with "jumping off a bridge", well...
Well, don't you?
Either way, I meant @accalia's "fuck that shit back into Tim Cook's asshole.
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@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I think @accalia's rant about Apple making SD card slot in their laptops half inside/half outside so that people can't easily extend their drives (cause yeah, sure, that's why so many manufacturers do it that way).
then tell me, why is it that "full sized" SD card slots are not full sized.
oh, and i interact with apple products daily because about half the company laptops are apples.
we buy the apple laptops for 2.5 k$, and they are outspecc'd by the HP Elite books we buy for 2.2k$.
the elitebooks have a 3 year warranty, the apples have two, and an extra year is not available to us wholesale, we have to buy them separately. We don't bother however, because one in ten apple laptop makes it past the 2 year mark without needing to get replaced for damage, or under warranty.
the elitebooks on the other hand have a 60% survival rate well on into 5 years, although we replace them every 3-4 (depending on yearly budget) because after that they are underperforming to the point efficiency suffers.
Additionally our helpdesk spends 3-5x as much on replacement parts for the Apple products as they do for the PCs. and yes this is all itemized out and verifiable.
oh, and 3 out of 5 laptops that land on that helpdesk with issues that require diagnosis and resolution by our helpdesk technicians are apple laptops.
we pay more, for lower specs, for lower survivability and lower reliability, and higher helpdesk resource requirements.
Apple may work well for you personally, and bully for you if it does, but from where I sit the only way to make apple work "right" is to have a completely homogenous network where the only products in it are apple branded. Otherwise, you will have issues.
That's nothing i'm willing to accept for my personal use, and it's the reason i am vocal against apple product (that and the business practices of apple and apple's board partners)
Yeah, sure, like any of that even matters.
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@kt_ fine, fine. Let's settle for fucking this shit into Steve Jobs' decaying asshole, shall we?
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I think @accalia's rant about Apple making SD card slot in their laptops half inside/half outside so that people can't easily extend their drives (cause yeah, sure, that's why so many manufacturers do it that way).
then tell me, why is it that "full sized" SD card slots are not full sized.
oh, and i interact with apple products daily because about half the company laptops are apples.
we buy the apple laptops for 2.5 k$, and they are outspecc'd by the HP Elite books we buy for 2.2k$.
the elitebooks have a 3 year warranty, the apples have two, and an extra year is not available to us wholesale, we have to buy them separately. We don't bother however, because one in ten apple laptop makes it past the 2 year mark without needing to get replaced for damage, or under warranty.
the elitebooks on the other hand have a 60% survival rate well on into 5 years, although we replace them every 3-4 (depending on yearly budget) because after that they are underperforming to the point efficiency suffers.
Additionally our helpdesk spends 3-5x as much on replacement parts for the Apple products as they do for the PCs. and yes this is all itemized out and verifiable.
oh, and 3 out of 5 laptops that land on that helpdesk with issues that require diagnosis and resolution by our helpdesk technicians are apple laptops.
we pay more, for lower specs, for lower survivability and lower reliability, and higher helpdesk resource requirements.
Apple may work well for you personally, and bully for you if it does, but from where I sit the only way to make apple work "right" is to have a completely homogenous network where the only products in it are apple branded. Otherwise, you will have issues.
That's nothing i'm willing to accept for my personal use, and it's the reason i am vocal against apple product (that and the business practices of apple and apple's board partners)
Yeah, sure, like any of that even matters.
costing more cash, costing mroe maintenance, delivering less performance, and delivering less usable lifetime, in a manner that is verifyiable on a corporate level, doesn't matter?
well, i can see there's no arguing with you if you wave those considerations aside.
Good day to you sir, I am afraid you will have to engage other disputants from here on as i am not desiring to fight a battle against one who will not be reasoned with on this subject. I wish you well in your future endeavors.
good bye, and fare well.
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@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
Yeah, sure, like any of that even matters when you're an Apple fanboy
Makes more sense like this
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@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@accalia said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
@kt_ said in Because there's so much wrong with iTunes:
I think @accalia's rant about Apple making SD card slot in their laptops half inside/half outside so that people can't easily extend their drives (cause yeah, sure, that's why so many manufacturers do it that way).
then tell me, why is it that "full sized" SD card slots are not full sized.
oh, and i interact with apple products daily because about half the company laptops are apples.
we buy the apple laptops for 2.5 k$, and they are outspecc'd by the HP Elite books we buy for 2.2k$.
the elitebooks have a 3 year warranty, the apples have two, and an extra year is not available to us wholesale, we have to buy them separately. We don't bother however, because one in ten apple laptop makes it past the 2 year mark without needing to get replaced for damage, or under warranty.
the elitebooks on the other hand have a 60% survival rate well on into 5 years, although we replace them every 3-4 (depending on yearly budget) because after that they are underperforming to the point efficiency suffers.
Additionally our helpdesk spends 3-5x as much on replacement parts for the Apple products as they do for the PCs. and yes this is all itemized out and verifiable.
oh, and 3 out of 5 laptops that land on that helpdesk with issues that require diagnosis and resolution by our helpdesk technicians are apple laptops.
we pay more, for lower specs, for lower survivability and lower reliability, and higher helpdesk resource requirements.
Apple may work well for you personally, and bully for you if it does, but from where I sit the only way to make apple work "right" is to have a completely homogenous network where the only products in it are apple branded. Otherwise, you will have issues.
That's nothing i'm willing to accept for my personal use, and it's the reason i am vocal against apple product (that and the business practices of apple and apple's board partners)
Yeah, sure, like any of that even matters.
costing more cash, costing mroe maintenance, delivering less performance, and delivering less usable lifetime, in a manner that is verifyiable on a corporate level, doesn't matter?
well, i can see there's no arguing with you if you wave those considerations aside.
Good day to you sir, I am afraid you will have to engage other disputants from here on as i am not desiring to fight a battle against one who will not be reasoned with on this subject. I wish you well in your future endeavors.
good bye, and fare well.
Yeah, sure, like any of that even matters.