8 Values
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Disclaimer: This thread is strictly for the results of the 8 Values quiz, and discussion of said results. Discussion of the politics behind said results at anything beyond a cursory level will be harshly rebuked.
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Closest Match: Libertarian Socialism
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Meh, the questions in the test were biased themselves, and none of them asked for the reason behind an opinion. In case anyone cares despite that:
I strongly disagree with being labeled a socialist, and I'm also convinced that the test completely ignores the difference between libertarianism and liberalism.
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Closest match: Neo-Liberalism.
Whatever that is.
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Disclaimer: This thread is strictly for the results of the 8 Values quiz, and discussion of said results. Discussion of the politics behind said results at anything beyond a cursory level will be harshly rebuked.
i think i broke it.
either that or I really am @boomzilla
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Meh, the questions in the test were biased themselves, and none of them asked for the reason behind an opinion.
A lot of things (as they are in these quizzes) were somewhat orthogonal to my mind, and a lot of others I could go either way on depending on the specifics of a situation, so I had a lot of Neutral answers.
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My libertarian streak makes me a "progressive", apparently. Also, the thing underestimates my commitment to competitive markets.
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On the one hand, putting in "extreme" questions is more likely to get answers in the SA/SD camp and thus give you scoreable results, rather than a mush of "eeeeh".
On the other hand, I felt like there was a skew between the wording of questions that were "American left" causes (more likely to be phrased in a positive light) versus "American right" causes (more likely to be phrased in a negative light).
On the gripping hand, I definitely self-identify much more with the American right than the American left, so the match wasn't off, and I've got a bias toward "you're belittling muh conservatism" anyway, so hard to say how objective I am with my feelz about the wording of the questions.
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@boomzilla said in 8 Values:
so I had a lot of Neutral answers
Me too. Like "do you want worker to own factories" (paraphrased). I mean, I sure as hell am not a Marxist, but I don't have anything against cooperatives, either. What the fuck was I supposed to answer there?
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On the other hand, I felt like there was a skew between the wording of questions that were "American left" causes (more likely to be phrased in a positive light) versus "American right" causes (more likely to be phrased in a negative light).
On the gripping hand, I definitely self-identify much more with the American right than the American left, so the match wasn't off, and I've got a bias toward "you're belittling muh conservatism" anyway, so hard to say how objective I am with my feelz about the wording of the questions.Yeah. I think I'd probably protest over some definitions, especially WRT abortion, where I suspect I have a mirror image view on the civil liberties aspects of it.
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@boomzilla said in 8 Values:
so I had a lot of Neutral answers
Me too. Like "do you want worker to own factories" (paraphrased). I mean, I sure as hell am not a Marxist, but I don't have anything against cooperatives. What the fuck was I supposed to answer there?
I answered Strongly Disagree on that one. I want whoever paid for them to own the factories. If that's the workers, then fine, but I chose to assume some context on that one beyond just what the words said.
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@boomzilla said in 8 Values:
I chose to assume some context on that one beyond just what the words said.
Let's just agree that the question was badly worded. If they wanted to know whether I want to forcefully disown anyone, the question should have been "do you believe in the concept of private property" or "are you a Marxist". Not whatever they asked.
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I'm not quite sure that I agree with the results on the individual axes, but the overall result isn't too noxious. (Of course, some of the things that I'm “extreme” on are just because they're the norm round this part of the world, but that's the fault of the questions, not the concepts…)
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The one about violent protests was interesting. I have no idea how they'd score that on these axes.
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@boomzilla
Yeah, I had absolutely no idea, either. Maybe disagreeing with the use of force is an extreme example of liberalism to them? ("Human rights are so important that extreme means are never justified.") Depends on the exact interpretation of "liberalism", though.
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@asdf I don't even remember what I answered. I mean...hmm...protests...well, those shouldn't be violent. But I obviously don't have a philosophical problem with violent insurrection against an evil government.
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Agree that there were many based questions and false dichotomies. I tried to answer according to perceived intent rather than literal parsing.
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I didn't read any questions and just clicked my way...
If I disagree with everything
If I strongly agree with everything
If I strongly disagree with everything
I'm always a centrist
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I think its brokeded.
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@Polygeekery Nah, you're just saner than you thought.
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@Captain pffffffbt, I am saner than everyone else thinks I am.
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@Polygeekery said in 8 Values:
@Captain pffffffbt, I am saner than everyone else thinks I am.
"I am WONKO! Wonko the Sane!" -Waspinator
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Here ya go.
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@Polygeekery said in 8 Values:
@Captain pffffffbt, I am saner than everyone else thinks I am.
I thought of another thing about these sorts of quizzes. They're talking about values. Now...some of the questions are about what you think the government / laws should do, others are not. For instance, environmental regulations vs family values.
Then there were the questions on climate change. Eh...not sure where that comes out in all of this. At least for me, the questions had nothing to do with any of those values.
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@boomzilla said in 8 Values:
I thought of another thing about these sorts of quizzes. They're talking about values. Now...some of the questions are about what you think the government / laws should do, others are not. For instance, environmental regulations vs family values.
Which is similar to a conversation we are in the midst of in the garage. Agreeing with outcome, but not agreeing with not the means in which it is done.
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I am really confused on the Economic axis how are equality and markets opposed? I assume they are going with equality of outcome and not of opportunity?
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I am really confused on the Economic axis how are equality and markets opposed? I assume they are going with equality of outcome and not of opportunity?
That's more matter for the garage, but it's a pretty safe bet, especially given that they used the term "Socialist Libertarian" non-ironically.
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Sure, why not, I'm uploading shit anyway.
Uh...? Yes, I agree you're loading.
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Eh?
location.href = `results.html` + `?e=${calc_score(econ,max_econ)}` + `&d=${calc_score(dipl,max_dipl)}` + `&g=${calc_score(govt,max_govt)}` + `&s=${calc_score(scty,max_scty)}`
*does some research*
Closest Match: Someone who uses IE11. So fuck your ES2015. Should have known when I saw the Github link that it'd be some ivory-tower project that wouldn't work.
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What is the value of having (somewhat) varied questions, when all they do is increment/decrement 4 variables? Can the same not be achieved by asking you where you see yourself on each scale and then offsetting that by a random variable?
Anyway, mine:
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Probably a decent match percent-wise. Unsure if I agree with the label given to me based off the results, though.
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Well, it categorized me as something that makes about as much sense as "Libertarian Socialist..."
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@masonwheeler ... "Christian Democracy"? Did it, perchance, ask you your religion?
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Quite a bunch of awfully worded questions that suggest the answer ("chasing progress at all costs is dangerous" - duh!).
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Hmmmm....
This mostly squares up with how I'd rate myself on these scales, but I'm not sure how I got slanted so much towards Authority.
On the other hand, IMO, the best government would be a truly beneficial dictatorship (yeah, I know, how to define "beneficial" and all that). The second best would be a representative republic.
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but I'm not sure how I got slanted so much towards Authority.
IMO, the best government would be a truly beneficial dictatorship.
I think I know how.
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I am really confused on the Economic axis how are equality and markets opposed? I assume they are going with equality of outcome and not of opportunity?
Ask the OP for an infographic to illustrate the difference.
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@Jaloopa deleted xis post. I am going to assume it is because the label xe got was "To the left of Lenin", eh comrade?
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in 8 Values:
@masonwheeler ... "Christian Democracy"? Did it, perchance, ask you your religion?
No
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in 8 Values:
@masonwheeler ... "Christian Democracy"? Did it, perchance, ask you your religion?
I assume it means the party, nothing to do with the religion.
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Edge works fine. Can't figure out why they used a canvas for the image, though, instead of just generating a fucking image on the server-side.
Centrist
Economic Axis: Centrist (52.4%) (mildly surprising)
Diplomatic Axis: Patriotic (65.4%) (go figure)
Civil Axis: Moderate (53.5%)
Societal Axis: Progressive (62.8%)So basically not highly opinionated about much. Sounds about right; I like to play devil's advocate on everything, learn the arguments on both sides, and then accept that my own opinion doesn't count for very much. :D
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@Polygeekery I'm not perfectly happy with left nor right. We just get screwed anyway.
But I wouldn't swap my third world disfunctional universal health care with what you have there. I had family members cured from cancer that would never be able to afford any sort of private care, much less at American prices.
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@boomzilla said in 8 Values:
Closest match: Neo-Liberalism.
Whatever that is.
It's like neonazi, just without hitting people.
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@Polygeekery said in 8 Values:
@Jaloopa deleted xis post. I am going to assume it is because the label xe got was "To the left of Lenin", eh comrade?
I thought I'd copied the image when posting on mobile but it was just one of the logos. I got libertarian socialist like a load of others here, so yeah, about a left as Lenin just less authoritarian
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@Polygeekery said in 8 Values:
@Jaloopa deleted xis post. I am going to assume it is because the label xe got was "To the left of Lenin", eh comrade?
Viva la detione!