Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Autonomous cars are evidently not there yet.
There's several problems in there.
- Highway driving, which is a mostly solved problem now.
- Urban driving, where there's a lot of problems with other road users.
- Rural non-highway driving, where the road itself can be quite complicated. (Sometimes it is easy, but sometimes it very much isn't.)
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Rural non-highway driving, where the road itself can be quite complicated. (Sometimes it is easy, but sometimes it very much isn't.)
Yeah, I've driven on "roads" that I had a hard time following before... (and I got stuck in the sand when I tried turning around)
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Yeah, I've driven on "roads" that I had a hard time following before... (and I got stuck in the sand when I tried turning around)
I've been on a few interesting roads too, in backwoods Scotland and Ireland (where there can be quite a bit of grass in the middle) and Sweden (some forest roads have substantial rocks in them). But even properly made roads can be awkward for self-driving systems when they've got complicated bends and changes of slope.
OTOH, those roads can be among the more fun to drive.
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@dcon In Val-Alain, QC, there is a road called "La Petite Ligne"
At some point in the past, this was a train track. Most of it is now a proper road, but there is still a part of it that is just a trail used by ATVs and things like that, but Google Map will happily tell you to drive there
If you look on the left, this part is NOT a road
It is large enough for a car and nice enough to drive there, but about a mile later, it turns into a proper trail that you can't navigate with your car/truck. And you will have to drive backward for the full distance since there is no place to turn around. A bunch of people got stuck there, including a poor guy driving something like this
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@TimeBandit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
you can't navigate
Sounds like the sort of problem someone should pin a report to so the map can be fixed... 🌋
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Why do we have 17 new reports that just say "Tabarnak"?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sounds like the sort of problem someone should pin a report to
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@TimeBandit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sounds like the sort of problem someone should pin a report to
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@HardwareGeek I did the needful.
I reported the road as non-existent. I'll try to report back here if I ever get an update from Google.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage Damn states and privacy laws!
ETA: after a quick search, in e.g. Austria it's apparently even illegal to own one, let alone use it! Most other EU countries seem to have more reasonable rules, basically "it's OK to have one but don't upload random stuff on the internet and if you are in an accident you must tell the other party and/or give footage to police", which seems fair enough (at least the last part).
Yeah. Here in Germany it can become quite weird because the courts state that you cannot do a continuous recording (and thus at least looping is mandatory) because you could then create a "movement profile" of someone.
The same courts also mandate a photo or similar for traffic violations (like running a red light, speeding,...) because, obviously, it could be anyone driving the car.
Doesn't quite square but, sure.
There is no inconsistency here. You should record, and keep stills or short clips of violations, but must not keep unlimited history. That's perfectly satisfiable set of requirements.
You do not understand. They said that by doing continuous recording you could do a movement profile of someone (not the vehicle). You usually only have the backplate of a car, though, when using a dashcam.
But this backplate alone then does not suffice for fines because it's not personally identifiable.
Also not a contradiction. If you keep track of a car's movement, you get a reasonable approximation of someone's movement profile. It's probably the same person / same set of people (family) most of the time. That's good enough for profiling, but not for evidence "beyond reasonable doubt".
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@topspin Yes, but you'd need to actually drive behind the car to do such a profile. In which case you already have the movement profile because you yourself collected it. There's no one disallowing you from using a GPS to track your own movement, after all. Of course, you could also go old-school and voice record the movement or write it down.
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@bobjanova said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
How does it deal with tailgaters, undertaking, nobody leaving a safe gap in front, roads parked up on both sides so you have to negotiate a passing place?
By broadcasting their exact locations to each other. Which every car will be made to do. With a government-issued transponder. Whose primary function is to collect tax data.
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@TimeBandit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon In Val-Alain, QC, there is a road called "La Petite Ligne"
At some point in the past, this was a train track. Most of it is now a proper road, but there is still a part of it that is just a trail used by ATVs and things like that, but Google Map will happily tell you to drive there
If you look on the left, this part is NOT a road
It is large enough for a car and nice enough to drive there, but about a mile later, it turns into a proper trail that you can't navigate with your car/truck. And you will have to drive backward for the full distance since there is no place to turn around. A bunch of people got stuck there, including a poor guy driving something like this
Well, look, Google Maps has no bicycle routing feature in most places (except well developed western countries). Fortunately, I can push (or even carry) my bike along when the road gets too bad. That's were Google Maps sends people along by car:
https://images.mapillary.com/7iFfxySFWXHmftjNVPRFog/thumb-640.jpg
(https://www.mapillary.com/app?focus=photo&pKey=7iFfxySFWXHmftjNVPRFog)
The road got even worse when I had to turn to the left there steeply downwards ...
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@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The road got even worse when I had to turn to the left there steeply downwards ...
That reminds me of a few of the tracks not too far from here that I once made the mistake of trying to drive along. Except with fewer ruts and small streams.
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Once more why you shouldn't drive too close to the car in front of you:
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I just found out there's one of these for sale for roughly ~$25k. I am so incredibly tempted.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I just found out there's one of these for sale for roughly ~$25k. I am so incredibly tempted.
Upkeeps probably a huge burden.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I just found out there's one of these for sale for roughly ~$25k. I am so incredibly tempted.
Upkeeps probably a huge burden.
Nevermind operation!
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I just found out there's one of these for sale for roughly ~$25k. I am so incredibly tempted.
Perfect for sudden street parties.
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@boomzilla What's with the different arrow locations on the signs?
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@coderpatsy
Signs by Gribnit.
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@boomzilla Houston. SMH
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Segregated exits. North for blacks, south for whites.
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@coderpatsy said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla What's with the different arrow locations on the signs?
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@coderpatsy said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla What's with the different arrow locations on the signs?
Also, the southbound exit is first and the northbound exit is further on. Sometimes in the US I've seen that indicated subtly by arrow placement.
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@Zerosquare Not a unique incident. I remember watching a police helicopter video of a chase that led onto a military base in which the fleeing car hit the tail of a parked fighter, damaging but not destroying it. IIRC, it sliced through roof of the vehicle, killing the car's passenger.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare Not a unique incident. I remember watching a police helicopter video of a chase that led onto a military base in which the fleeing car hit the tail of a parked fighter, damaging but not destroying it. IIRC, it sliced through roof of the vehicle, killing the car's passenger.
That seems.. bad. Pre-9/11?
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@sloosecannon No, it was fairly recent, probably within the last year or two. I don't remember how the fleeing car got onto the base; I think the video may have started after it was already on the base.
I looked through my YT history and found the video about two months back. The incident occurred during the night of 30-31 March, 2016 at NAS Lemoore, according to the video title and description, but I haven't watched it again to get any more details.
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UPDATE: I am pleased to provide you with a copy of NAS Lemoore's thorough written response to (and evaluation of) the Navy's investigation into the breach of security seen in this video. Although the document is heavily redacted, the redacted portions primarily contain details regarding base security operations. A significant portion of the 48-page document is a detailed chronology of events and that section - largely not redacted - contains more information than you will find anywhere else. The document can be found at http://www.tiny.cc/nasl.
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@HardwareGeek Yeah any.. modern facility should have... Means to stop that from happening. Usually involving large, quick-deploying metal walls. Wonder if someone fucked up or if he just got incredibly (un) lucky
EDIT: Ah, great, CHP didn't have any way to inform the base, because CHP's radio system is... Heh. Fantastic.
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@sloosecannon That, and their contact phone number was 10 years out of date.
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@TwelveBaud said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Suddenly nostalgia. It's one of the first funny internet videos I remember seeing, it must be like 20 years old.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Always fun to see someone cheap out on the driveline.
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@Zerosquare Damnit, now I want to know how that ended...
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@JBert Legends say he's riding that van to this day.
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@Zerosquare Is that the mounted police?
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@TimeBandit Patrolling the hood.
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So, drove a bit on our Autobahn today. No incidences, even the BMW drivers all found their turn signals!
But of course, a mere 5 km from my home, the idiot appeared.
He was stopped at the right lane of a traffic light and I was approach on the left. I slowed down a bit, the light turned green and I was thus able to pass him, doing the legal 50. This, of course, irked the moron and he decided to stomp on the gas in order to pull up to me when the two lanes merged into one. This was a "zipper merge" and thus it's customary that the leading car merges first. Well, this dimwit obviously failed that particular lesson.
So he was in front of me. Usually I'm glad about voidheads being in front because I thus can keep an eye on them. Plus, they regularly speed and as a result, pull away from me, making them Not My Problem anymore.
However, on the next traffic light, this guy passed the "Turn left" lane, staying on the "Go straight" lane, then decided that he'd rather go left, do an emergency brake and then blocked everyone from passing him while he waiting for the traffic on the opposite lane to open up. Which it didn't until the light turned red again because the left turn has its own signal.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
This was a "zipper merge"
Reißverschlussverfahren?
Gesundheit!
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Aaaand today the next moron. I just went shopping for groceries and my local market has a charging station for two cars in front of it. When I pulled up I noticed that one slot was occupied by another car, no problem, I'll take the other one. Got my stuff out of the trunk, plugged in the cable, started the charging process - and noticed that the other guy was simply sitting there.
Without any cables attached to his car.
I then went and dropped a package off at the nearby post box, returned to the car to finally get the groceries - and he was still sitting there.
So I knocked on his window and told him (neutrally, mind!) that this spot is only for people who want to actually charge their car. Please also note that this parking lot had about 100 other free slots.
He lost his mind that he was only looking up things and bla bla bla. I didn't care and simply stated that I merely wanted to notify him of this fact and that if he wanted to be angry about that then it'd be his problem, not mine. Turned around and went into the shop.
Returned after 20 minutes and he was still there. He wanted to "continue" the discussion. I didn't. Unplugged the car, loaded the groceries and drove off.
He actually waited for 20 minutes for some idiotic reason. Nevermind that he proved my point about him occupying the slot absolutely needlessly.
Before you ask: Occupying a charging slot without charging can result in a ticket and has the same status as stopping in a "No Stop" zone. It can also result in your car getting towed.
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Someone should create an adapter to allow recharging your fuel-powered car battery's on an EV spot
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@Zerosquare We already have those:
They're occupying spots which could be much more useful when used for BEV charging stations!
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
They're
occupying spotsdoing God's work by allowing people to turn fossil fuels into noise and enjoyment which could be muchmoreless useful when used for BEV charging stations!Fixed that.