Opera makes a gaming browser
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I was today informed of a new abomination in the browser market:
Opera GX | Gaming Browser | Opera
Opera GX is the browser built specifically for gamers. Get unparalleled gaming and browsing features, packed in a powerful revolutionary browser.
Opera GX: The browser for gamers. (The onebox is failing at showing the actual browser.) It some with all the gamer features, like a completely uncecessary splash screen on startup. Enforced dark mode. Background music while browsing (best with headphones). And some maybe useful features, like bandwidth and RAM usage limiters. It also has something that looks like a shop and/or game browser, I guess of browser games? My one question however is: Why? Is this some sort of desperate attempt of Opera to stay relevant after they became a cheap Chrome copy?
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@Atazhaia said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
completely uncecessary splash screen on startup
Could be worse. Could be unskippable videos.
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Opera. The way it's meant to be played.
This software is a work of fiction designed, developed and produced by a multicultural team of various religious faiths and beliefs.
This software saves your progress periodically. Please do not turn off your PC while the autosave icon ď is displayed.
Press Enter to begin
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@Atazhaia Chromium with RAM limits sounds like it might not be the worst idea, otherwise it looks shit. The theme wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't red on black.
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So they reskinned the browser chrome with some retarded gamer CSS? Awesomesauce.
@loopback0 said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
The theme wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't red on black.
Yeah, needs more RGB animation.
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Optimized for playing Stadia?
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@Jaloopa as if Google would ever let any other browser use their proprietary APIs
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@topspin said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Yeah, needs more RGB animation.
Here's a terrible idea for free:
WebRGB
WebAPI that allows websites to control the RGB components in your gaming PC. Websites will now be able to automatically theme your PC to the page that you visit (not to mention ads!).
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@cvi said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Websites will now be able to automatically
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@cvi said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
WebRGB
Does this mean
<blink>tag will return?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Does this mean <blink> tag will return?
No, it'll be replaced with the <rave> tag.
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@Atazhaia Also, the regular Opera browser periodically (at every update, I think? maybe on a different basis, I never looked more closely) spams you with ads for that new things. And since they control the full UI, it's not just a splash or a tile in a blank new tab, no, it's a full-window overlay with a big large circle in one corner. It's very annoying.
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@cvi said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
WebRGB
You, sir, are an evil person.
Also, I'm sure Google is integrating it into Chrome right now.
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LOL, Opera stopped innovating the day they dumped Presto for a reskinned Blink.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Does this mean <blink> tag will return?
No, it'll be replaced with the <rave> tag.
May we also have <strobe> ?
(edit) better still, <PinkFloydLaserShow> . That could be a lot of fun.
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@Bim-Zively Ordinarily, the more tags, the better. But no, the latest draft recommends using
<div>s instead of purpose-made tags, to annoy @Zenith
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@Applied-Mediocrity If I wasn't in a life or death battle with BAT files right now...
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@Zenith said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@Applied-Mediocrity If I wasn't in a life or death battle with BAT files right now...
del *.bat=> you win, they lose.
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@Zenith said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
LOL, Opera stopped innovating the day they dumped Presto for a reskinned Blink.
Simultanously firing old engineering team and hiring bunch of web-dev-minded idiots.
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@Zenith said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
LOL, Opera stopped innovating the day they dumped Presto for a reskinned Blink.
Yes.
I used Opera for a while back in the olde times. I liked it, it had some good features and it was very fast -- provided you went to a page it could render. Complaints about Opera's inability to render pages always received the same response: "Opera is fully standards compliant."
Yeah. No Shit Sherlock. But a lot of websites aren't. And if you're going to make a web browser then you have to be able to handle all the shitty websites that aren't "standards compliant". That's why "Strict HTML" never caught on.
Opera never seemed to grasp this simple reality and faded into obscurity.
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@El_Heffe Yeah, they had a very polished UI, let alone for circa 2002-2004. I had similar issues with its rendering though. As I recall it wasn't fond of iframes or setting heights on some elements and would effectively zero them out. That was a very visible problem. Then there were the less visible problems. Back at my good job, Opera was one of the dozen non-IE browsers that I added support for. There was a part of one of the forms where Opera just decided it was going to strip carriage returns or form feeds on submission. Since the field represented a list and the newline separated the items, in went a hideous workaround...
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@Zenith said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
LOL, Opera stopped innovating the day they dumped Presto for a reskinned Blink.
Well, the people from Presto Opera are over at Vivaldi. The current Opera comes fresh from China. Yay?
I still use Opera on my Android Phone because it does a great job of rewrapping text on sites that don't work well on phones in portrait. I wish the other browser makers would steal that feature.
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@Atazhaia
yeah, so:"like a completely uncecessary splash screen"
doesn't matter,"Enforced dark mode."
not a bad idea, actually,"Background music while browsing"
didn't know about this,"It also has something that looks like a shop and/or game browser"
didn't know about this and doesn't matter,"Why?"
Because "bandwidth and RAM usage limiters", which is the one and only reason which made me switch to using it as my main browser about a year ago immediately as I learned that it exists, and I will never switch back unless they fuck up this single best feature in the world.
The rest of you can happily keep living in a world where it's normal for your browser to eat 60% or your 4GHz quad-core CPU as well as 60% of your 16Gb RAM.
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@Parody said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
The current Opera comes fresh from China. Yay?
...ah dammit, i should have known it's too good to just be good...
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@El_Heffe said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@Zenith said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
LOL, Opera stopped innovating the day they dumped Presto for a reskinned Blink.
Yes.
I used Opera for a while back in the olde times. I liked it, it had some good features and it was very fast -- provided you went to a page it could render. Complaints about Opera's inability to render pages always received the same response: "Opera is fully standards compliant."
Not true. Opera always had 'quirks mode' for non standard compliant sites.
Yeah. No Shit Sherlock. But a lot of websites aren't. And if you're going to make a web browser then you have to be able to handle all the shitty websites that aren't "standards compliant". That's why "Strict HTML" never caught on.
When was that? Any serious differences in rendering I can remember were ages ago. Then when 'Opera renders wrong' became a brain virus people started reporting things like 2px wider edit field as critical errors. When Chrome became the dominant browser the idiocy went even further with "not rendered pixel perfect like in Chrome = catastrophically broken and unusable".
Opera never seemed to grasp this simple reality and faded into obscurity.
Not exactly. Opera was doing pretty good for a browser without backing from Google. Then original Opera founder was outed from the company. Innovation slowed down significantly, bugs were not fixed like they used to be, making some features unusable. Then they hired new team of developers, who completely fucked up last releases. And finally they just threw their product out the window and decided to be Chrome skin producer.
It was killed by new management deciding to stop doing what Opera was good at.
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@El_Heffe said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Opera [...] faded into obscurity.
Meh. I've been using Opera for about 20 years (I remember my mind being blown the day I discovered it and found out that you could have tabs rather than one window per page!!!), and it never really got out of obscurity, at least for their desktop browser (AFAIR Opera Mini or whatever their mobile browser was (is?) called is (was?) actually a completely different beast, and at some point had (still has?) a huge market share in some countries).
I think that maybe around 2005-2010 (? asspull) it achieved some degree of notoriety where it was somewhat known as "the biggest of the tiny ones" in the technical community, but I don't think it ever achieved much more than that, nor that it ever really registered on any "browser market share" graph.
That aside, I agree that what made them good in the past was innovating (as I said, tabs!!! but also many other things), and that now that they've stopped doing so, I'm sticking with them out of habit more than anything.
Though I think that also simply reflect the fact that the browser 20 years ago was a new idea where everything was still to be invented, so there was a lot of room for trying "weird" ideas, whereas nowadays a browser has become a basic and well settled thing, overall.
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@remi said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
I think that maybe around 2005-2010 (? asspull) it achieved some degree of notoriety where it was somewhat known as "the biggest of the tiny ones" in the technical community, but I don't think it ever achieved much more than that, nor that it ever really registered on any "browser market share" graph.
IIRC they had 2.5-3% globally pretty consistently, but much larger shares in emerging markets. In Poland it was 10-11%. They also had specialized version for TVs and 'kiosk mode' for stores and presentations, which were pretty successful.
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@sh_code said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
The rest of you can happily keep living in a world where it's normal for your browser to eat 60% or your 4GHz quad-core CPU as well as 60% of your 16Gb RAM.
Meh...if you've only got 16Gb of RAM that's on you.
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@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Then when 'Opera renders wrong' became a brain virus people started reporting things like 2px wider edit field as critical errors.
Duh. Should be
. Obviously
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I actually use Opera GX full time. I like it, I'm just bummed that it is Windows only for now. Pages load quickly, and you can change the theming pretty easily. I have it as black and purple atm.
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@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@El_Heffe said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@Zenith said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
LOL, Opera stopped innovating the day they dumped Presto for a reskinned Blink.
Yes.
I used Opera for a while back in the olde times. I liked it, it had some good features and it was very fast -- provided you went to a page it could render. Complaints about Opera's inability to render pages always received the same response: "Opera is fully standards compliant."
Not true. Opera always had 'quirks mode' for non standard compliant sites.
Not true? I see. And so .... I'm just making this up?
Sorry, that's just not the case. That was my experience using Opera, somewhere around ~15 years ago. I really wanted to like it, but it just had too many problems. Judging by Opera's market share, it's pretty obvious that I'm not the only one.
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@El_Heffe said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Not true. Opera always had 'quirks mode' for non standard compliant sites.
Not true? I see. And so .... I'm just making this up?
No, you're not making this up. There were rendering differences for non standard compliant pages. They were fixed as quirks mode was improved over time.
"It's standard compliant, deal with it" was a common response from ignorant Opera fanboys, never from the company.Sorry, that's just not the case. That was my experience using Opera, somewhere around ~15 years ago. I really wanted to like it, but it just had too many problems. Judging by Opera's market share, it's pretty obvious that I'm not the only one.
Browser market share in double digits is made by two things only. Inertia from years of complete dominance (IE) and Google advertisement.
Firefox rose to prominence blazingly fast, in spite of being shit (at the beginning at least), because of backing from Google. It fell on its face overnight, when Google dropped it and started pushing Chrome.Average user has no idea what's good and doesn't really choose anything. He takes what is pushed in his face by advertisement and/or general trend. It's true not only for browsers or technology, but in general.
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@boomzilla I've got 8, for the record, and since I've switched to using not-an-insanely-shitty browser, I've never had an issue of it not being enough.
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@sh_code said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
The rest of you can happily keep living in a world where it's normal for your browser to eat 60% or your 4GHz quad-core CPU as well as 60% of your 16Gb RAM.
Thankfully it's not normal in my world. I've got three running right now, all of which are using around 600 MB of RAM and a fraction of a percent of CPU. Earlier Opera (non-GX) had spiked up to 2 GB of RAM, but it seems to have kicked a bunch of tabs out of memory since then.
If CPU or RAM usage was an issue I'd close the browser(s) before launching the game, just like we've done with unneeded programs for many, many years.
I do think browsers and browser-based applications use more resources (especially RAM) than I'd expect these days, but that's part of the death spiral of web designers and browser engine feature developers.
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@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Not true. Opera always had 'quirks mode' for non standard compliant sites.
...and it wasn't successful in making a browser that worked everywhere or getting the web designers of the era to not use IE or Netscape as their official reference and anyone else can go download the chosen one.
It didn't stop me from purchasing Opera back before they added the ad banner in the toolbar, as I liked its features and most of the sites I visited worked fine with it.
I wonder if a small part of old Opera's desktop issues was them being trapped by their successes on feature phones and other non-smartphone devices. When you've got a zillion different versions of your browser out there that will never be updated, shuffling everyone with an Opera User-Agent off to "maybe this'll work for you, weird phone browser user" is a pretty safe decision.
Nowadays, you've got Firefox taking the "weird other browser" role. Not sure how to characterize Safari; maybe "rich uncle you should be nice to in case he puts you in his will"?
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@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Firefox rose to prominence blazingly fast, in spite of being shit (at the beginning at least), because of backing from Google
But mostly because people were looking for literally any alternative to IE.
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@sh_code said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@boomzilla I've got 8, for the record, and since I've switched to using not-an-insanely-shitty browser, I've never had an issue of it not being enough.
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@boomzilla said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Firefox rose to prominence blazingly fast, in spite of being shit (at the beginning at least), because of backing from Google
But mostly because people were looking for literally any alternative to IE.
Iâve never used Netscape, but Iâve switched from IE to Firefox around version 0.92 or so, if I remember correctly. Firefox wasnât wasnât at all âshitâ in the beginning, it was a million times better than IE garbage. I briefly tried Opera, which also was better than IE (low bar), but didnât find it to be better overall. That time to around 4.0, when they started the exponential version number inflation as Chrome appeared, people switched to it because it was just overall better.
I still prefer it, but Googleâs marketing billions single-handedly bought them total dominance with Chrome, besting MS at their game. Not just Opera threw their own browser away, even MS binned theirs.
Now everything is âKonqueror begat KHTML, KHTML begat Webkit, Webkit begat Blink, Blink is skinned as Edgiumâ.
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@topspin said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Now everything is âKonqueror begat KHTML, KHTML begat Webkit, Webkit begat Blink, Blink is skinned as Edgiumâ.
And still they are pretending to be Firefox. Clearly showing which is the superior browser!
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@Atazhaia said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@topspin said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Now everything is âKonqueror begat KHTML, KHTML begat Webkit, Webkit begat Blink, Blink is skinned as Edgiumâ.
And still they are pretending to be Firefox. Clearly showing which is the superior browser!
Actually, they're all pretending to be Netscape 5...which was never released.
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@topspin said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
if I remember correctly. Firefox wasnât wasnât at all âshitâ in the beginning, it was a million times better than IE garbage
It could have garbage and still been a million times better than IE6 or whatever it was when Firebird came out.
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@topspin said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@boomzilla said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Firefox rose to prominence blazingly fast, in spite of being shit (at the beginning at least), because of backing from Google
But mostly because people were looking for literally any alternative to IE.
Iâve never used Netscape,
I used it for a while, beginning with 1.0, where there was a jolly bug with the cache. If you pressed Esc while a page was downloading (this was 1995 or maybe 1996, so pages were mostly just HTML and arrived slowly even on my company's network), it would interrupt the transfer (duh), add <Transfer interrupted> to the bottom of the page (reasonable, useful information), and then it would put the result in the cache. The result was that until the page got forcibly refreshed or kicked out of cache somehow, you were stuck with a half-page with <Transfer interrupted> at the bottom, even if you quit the browser and went back in.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
I used it for a while, beginning with 1.0, where there was a jolly bug with the cache. If you pressed Esc while a page was downloading (this was 1995 or maybe 1996, so pages were mostly just HTML and arrived slowly even on my company's network), it would interrupt the transfer (duh), add <Transfer interrupted> to the bottom of the page (reasonable, useful information), and then it would put the result in the cache. The result was that until the page got forcibly refreshed or kicked out of cache somehow, you were stuck with a half-page with <Transfer interrupted> at the bottom, even if you quit the browser and went back in.
Ah, so no real change with today's Firefox. I always have to refresh a page when I reopen the browser since my login has typically expired or data has updated (like here!).
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@dcon said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
I used it for a while, beginning with 1.0, where there was a jolly bug with the cache. If you pressed Esc while a page was downloading (this was 1995 or maybe 1996, so pages were mostly just HTML and arrived slowly even on my company's network), it would interrupt the transfer (duh), add <Transfer interrupted> to the bottom of the page (reasonable, useful information), and then it would put the result in the cache. The result was that until the page got forcibly refreshed or kicked out of cache somehow, you were stuck with a half-page with <Transfer interrupted> at the bottom, even if you quit the browser and went back in.
Ah, so no real change with today's Firefox. I always have to refresh a page when I reopen the browser since my login has typically expired or data has updated (like here!).
My work webmail logs out after some period of inactivity. Normal. But then when you try to log back in, you have to log in twice. Because the first attempt always fails because "the browser sent no data" or something like that.
Caches.
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@dcon said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
I used it for a while, beginning with 1.0, where there was a jolly bug with the cache. If you pressed Esc while a page was downloading (this was 1995 or maybe 1996, so pages were mostly just HTML and arrived slowly even on my company's network), it would interrupt the transfer (duh), add <Transfer interrupted> to the bottom of the page (reasonable, useful information), and then it would put the result in the cache. The result was that until the page got forcibly refreshed or kicked out of cache somehow, you were stuck with a half-page with <Transfer interrupted> at the bottom, even if you quit the browser and went back in.
Ah, so no real change with today's Firefox. I always have to refresh a page when I reopen the browser since my login has typically expired or data has updated (like here!).
Except that in my case, the
was that it put a half-transferred page with a <Transfer interrupted> in the cache, not that it then displayed what was in the cache until I cleared it.
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@MrL said in Opera makes a gaming browser:
Firefox rose to prominence blazingly fast, in spite of being shit (at the beginning at least), because of backing from Google.
Huh... no. Definitely not. Firefox long predates Google's support, and even pre-1.0 versions were a lot better than IE6: they had tabs, popup blocking, useful extensions, etc.
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ed a week ago by @topspin.
