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heterodox

@PleegWat said in WTF Bites:

@error_bot Do you know google?

!google CAD 80 to USD

Google's ToS is notoriously anti-automation.

dkf

@levicki But is the United States Dolla counted under Currency or Cryptocurrency?

heterodox

@levicki In what way is your post a response to mine?

heterodox

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

then you can maybe use the source they use

You could if all you wanted was currency exchange, I suppose.

boomzilla

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

boomzilla

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

@jinpa said in WTF Bites:

Not a WTF.

It is a in the sense that people consider "bimbo" derogatory term.

I'll bet they add sugar...

boomzilla

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

@jinpa said in WTF Bites:

Not a WTF.

It is a in the sense that people consider "bimbo" derogatory term.

More seriously: That's kind of the point of the word.

bim·bo
/ˈbimbō/
nounINFORMAL•DEROGATORY
an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman.

Tsaukpaetra

@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

@jinpa said in WTF Bites:

Not a WTF.

It is a in the sense that people consider "bimbo" derogatory term.

More seriously: That's kind of the point of the word.

bim·bo
/ˈbimbō/
nounINFORMAL•DEROGATORY
an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman.

🎶 bimbo lower now!
🎶 bimbo lower now....
🎶 how low can you go....

https://youtu.be/gq7pxUgjLz0

dkf

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

you can maybe use the source they use?

With financial information, what really matters is the timescale. If you're content most of the time with information that is old (not sure what the measure of that is) then you can get the data very cheaply or maybe even close to free. If you want very close to current information (i.e., good enough for trading purposes) then you can expect to pay a lot for it.

loopback0

On the front page when I visit Amazon.

Clicking it takes me to this page. The change mobile number page.

The redacted number is my correct mobile number.

I tried humouring Amazon by adding it again but it just told me it was a number I'd already provided.

Tsaukpaetra

@dkf said in WTF Bites:

pay a lot for

@dkf said in WTF Bites:

financial information

Capitalism?

jinpa

@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

@jinpa said in WTF Bites:

Not a WTF.

It is a in the sense that people consider "bimbo" derogatory term.

I'll bet they add sugar...

So Laverne and Shirley pronounced it incorrectly.

Bulb

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Bulb

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

Show me two police notes, two press articles, two anything that show that not grounding a single-phase 100-240V electrical device with ground circuit, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING ITSELF NOT BEING GROUNDED

The building is always grounded. The neutral is always connected to ground on the entry to the building as the three-phase power lines don't carry a neutral at all.

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

However, there are other risks involved too such as bootleg (or false) ground and IMO having false ground is worse than having ground but not connecting it.

I am seriously wondering why. The neutral and protective ground are always connected in the breaker box; there is nowhere else the neutral could go than ground anyway. So if you connect them right behind the socket already, you lose the current leakage protection, but you still have short protection and the path through the neutral is still shorter than through you in case you do get current leakage.
You have to make sure you have the wires connected correctly, but you have to do that in any case, and once you closed the installation boxes, they just won't suddenly cross on their own. It is obviously better to have a separate lead and a GFCI, but if you don't, it still seems better to me to have the known-neutral somewhere (because C sockets are symmetrical; you never know which terminal of a C plug got the live, but you know the ground of an E/F never did).

kazitor

@Bulb said in WTF Bites:

the three-phase power lines don't carry a neutral at all.

Don't know about where you live, but every set of distribution lines I've ever seen has a neutral. It's easily identifiable as the line (of four) that every building is connected to.

e: furthermore, there's distinctly an earthing rod outside the house in addition to the neutral running to the overhead power lines.

Bulb

@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

And if it can't, it pops up a completely unrelated error message about database columns and hard-crashes.

Raymond Chen / Dec 3, 2018

Choosing error codes based on a really nice #define doesn't necessarily lead to a readable message to the user - The Old New Thing

Device not ready? What device?

The other problem that the article does not really mention is that these errors lack context. For example if you try to run a script, the execve system call will return the same ENOENT if the script, it's interpreter, or a shared library can't be used, leading simpler shells to confusingly report the script does not exist when it evidently does, but has wrong or broken interpreter. It will similarly return just EACCESS or EPERM for multiple problems of either the script or the interpreter.

For system-calls it is the ~~ancient~~¹ interface that only allows system calls to return one pointer-wide value that restricts this, but higher level languages usually don't even try to add useful context (like file names involved, thread ids and similar) to their exceptions even though exception handler will be higher up the stack and likely does not have that information (unlike when handling system call failure just after it where you at least always know which parameters you called it with).

¹ Actually, it is the Linux system call interface that only uses one register for the return value, reserving “small negative values” for error codes (that get stashed in errno and replaced with -1 or NULL as appropriate by the libc wrapper, relying on the fact that the last page of address space is reserved for special uses, so valid pointers are never “small negative values”). The standard C library interface would allow adding some kind of geterrdet (to follow the C library naming convention) call to get details for last error (as union tagged by errno, probably) in a backward-compatible fashion.

dkf

@Bulb said in WTF Bites:

The building is always grounded.

Only if the wiring is up to code.

@kazitor said in WTF Bites:

Don't know about where you live, but every set of distribution lines I've ever seen has a neutral. It's easily identifiable as the line (of four) that every building is connected to.

The problem round where I live is that all the distribution wires are buried from the main substation (about 10 minutes drive away across the city) to every house. Telling what is connected to what is… not trivial. But I can tell that the ground goes to things in direct contact with the earth (pipes, ground spike, etc); that's definitely separate from the neutral connection which heads into the cable from the power company.

dkf

@Bulb said in WTF Bites:

For example if you try to run a script, the execve system call will return the same ENOENT if the script, it's interpreter, or a shared library can't be used

Shared libraries probably don't fail that way; the way that things usually work is that shared libraries are not immediately mapped by the OS at executable launch, but rather by the application startup (i.e., after the process has been created and after control over it has been transferred to the other executable); it's part of the C runtime along with forming the arguments into argc/argv, decoding the environment, and calling main().

Bulb

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

@jinpa said in WTF Bites:

Not a WTF.

It is a in the sense that people consider "bimbo" derogatory term.

That's still not at WTF, it's how you properly deal with ‘derogatory’ terms—you wear them with pride.

error

Every modal dialog in existence needs to FOAD in a fire.

Filed under: At least let me move the parent window, FFS.

dkf

@error said in WTF Bites:

Every modal dialog in existence needs to FOAD in a fire.

There's two types of modal: local modal and global modal. Local modal ought to let you do things like moving windows, using other applications, etc. Global modal shouldn't be used at all outside of very specific situations (e.g., it's part of how drag-and-drop actually works under the covers) because it's absolutely horrible otherwise.

error

@dkf Unless the dialog says "Oh shit, everything is on fire, this is not a drill.", I still want to be able to at least rearrange windows.

Local modal ought to let you do things like moving windows

E_NO_REPRO. It just beeps at me when I try to interact with the nonclient area.

bugmenot

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

That's from a porn game, isn't it?

Bulb

@kazitor said in WTF Bites:

Don't know about where you live, but every set of distribution lines I've ever seen has a neutral. It's easily identifiable as the line (of four) that every building is connected to.

Hm, I think you are right that the line into the house does have a neutral. The high voltage lines don't though; the neutral appears in the transformer station and is grounded there. And unless I remember very wrong it is still connected to the local grounding plates in the breaker boxes—though some houses in the neighbourhood have different grounding plate for the power grid and for the lightning rods and there is significant voltage between those two.

JBert

@Bulb said in WTF Bites:

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

Show me two police notes, two press articles, two anything that show that not grounding a single-phase 100-240V electrical device with ground circuit, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING ITSELF NOT BEING GROUNDED

The building is always grounded. The neutral is always connected to ground on the entry to the building as the three-phase power lines don't carry a neutral at all.

This depends on where you live and what your electricity utility is providing (though also read the sections above and below).

@levicki said in WTF Bites:

However, there are other risks involved too such as bootleg (or false) ground and IMO having false ground is worse than having ground but not connecting it.

I am seriously wondering why. The neutral and protective ground are always connected in the breaker box; there is nowhere else the neutral could go than ground anyway. So if you connect them right behind the socket already, you lose the current leakage protection, but you still have short protection and the path through the neutral is still shorter than through you in case you do get current leakage.
You have to make sure you have the wires connected correctly, but you have to do that in any case, and once you closed the installation boxes, they just won't suddenly cross on their own. It is obviously better to have a separate lead and a GFCI, but if you don't, it still seems better to me to have the known-neutral somewhere (because C sockets are symmetrical; you never know which terminal of a C plug got the live, but you know the ground of an E/F never did).

While using the neutral as earth connection is not unsafe by itself (at least as long as you do it before the GFCI), the problem is that the neutral might have an unknown potential between that wire and your kitchen floor. This could happen if somehow the neutral wire from your building to the transformer develops a high resistance (maybe it got almost severed in a dig or it corrodes faster than the actual lines), or if the neighboring appartment somehow welded its GFCI shut or bypassed it while causing some leak current to go to neutral.

Bulb

@JBert said in WTF Bites:

This could happen if somehow the neutral wire from your building to the transformer develops a high resistance

As I mentioned, I believe the neutrals are connected to the grounding plates at each building's main break box here. Which likely makes some stray currents flow over the lines outside, since different ground plates can have significantly different potentials indeed, but it makes the neutral a good ground. And now that I think about it it may not be even consistent even in the neighbourhood as some buildings do have two somewhat different grounds.

hungrier

@dkf said in WTF Bites:

Local modal ought to let you do things like moving windows, using other applications, etc.

Using other apps and moving windows that belong to them, yes. Moving windows from the app showing the modal (e.g. Sql Server Management Studio), nope. So if the modal comes up somewhere where you're not looking, the application is soft-locked and you have to end task it. Ask me how I know

hungrier

Dear Medium, Chrome, Google, whoever allowed/enabled this:

FUCK OFF

Gąska

@hungrier I'm willing to believe that every remaining COBOL programmer is a hostage situation.

sebastian.galczynski

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

@hungrier I'm willing to believe that every remaining COBOL programmer is a hostage situation.

I heard they chain those hostages with golden handcuffs

Tsaukpaetra

@sebastian-galczynski said in WTF Bites:

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

@hungrier I'm willing to believe that every remaining COBOL programmer is a hostage situation.

I heard they chain those hostages with golden handcuffs

For some reason that sounds remarkably easy to break out of...

Someone must science of this at once!

Vixen

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

@sebastian-galczynski said in WTF Bites:

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

@hungrier I'm willing to believe that every remaining COBOL programmer is a hostage situation.

I heard they chain those hostages with golden handcuffs

For some reason that sounds remarkably easy to break out of...

Someone must science of this at once!

you go and science that, sure. I'm going to as for leg cuffs, and extra wrist cuffs, 24 carat preferred, but 18 will do. yeah. more chain to. make sure that all my restraints have the proper amount of chain so that I have freedom of movement withing the area I'm aloud to be in, but also that I cannot move quickly with the chain because of the weight.... That will prevent me from going far fast if I make a run for it and i can be easily reacaptured.

Then I'm going to escape, using this lovely invention called "A truck", take my restraints with me, melt them down, and sell the gold.

Then I'll retire. Buy a small house on the edge of civilization. far enough away from it all to see the milky way at night, but hear enough to still get broadband internet. I'll probably pick some where in Montreal, or BC... fairly northerly to hopefully avoid the worst of the fallout when the country to the south finally implodes.

I should get enough gold out of that to live out the rest of my natural days, and still have enough to bury somewhere on my property with extremely cryptic and seemingly complicated directions to find for whomever buys up the land at the estate auction to find, sending them on a decades long wild goose chase as they dig at location after location finding no gold, but instead new sets of instructions or hints to clues they already have, re-contextualizing the information they have to send them off on another chase, until they finally reach the end of the hunt, and realize that the gold was never there in the first place. They only had to take the letters to my lawyer to receive the key to the safety deposit box at a bank hundreds of miles away that itself has the key to a safety deposit box in the local bank which finally actually contains the millions of dollars worth of gold that i was restrained with and had the foresight to take with me when I escaped.

And that gold will be theirs for the keeping....... once they pay the back taxes on the previously undeclared gold bullion.

Vixen

@Vixen And yes, that gold will be mostly in the form of handcuffs. with fantastic fuzzy faux fur. Prelubricated.

Because of course I'm going to do that.

Atazhaia

@Vixen Just FYI, I am fully trained in the use of handcuffs in case you'd ever want to try getting cuffed.

Vixen

@Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen Just FYI, I am fully trained in the use of handcuffs in case you'd ever want to try getting cuffed.

Do you have your own set of 24 Carat gold handcuffs?

I ask for a friend.

Atazhaia

@Vixen Sadly not, but I kinda wish I had. I've just used the regular steel variety.

Vixen

@Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen Sadly not, but I kinda wish I had. I've just used the regular steel variety.

hmm..... I'll pass for now, but if you ever do get the solid gold cuffs, gimme a call, yeah?

Tsaukpaetra

@Vixen said in WTF Bites:

@Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen Sadly not, but I kinda wish I had. I've just used the regular steel variety.

hmm..... I'll pass for now, but if you ever do get the solid gold cuffs, gimme a call, yeah?

And if you ever have other gold implements, I'll take those too!

topspin

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen said in WTF Bites:

@Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen Sadly not, but I kinda wish I had. I've just used the regular steel variety.

hmm..... I'll pass for now, but if you ever do get the solid gold cuffs, gimme a call, yeah?

And if you ever have other gold implements, I'll take those too!

I’m impressed / surprised / confused that you didn’t jump on @Atazhaia‘s cuff roleplay offer.

Tsaukpaetra

@topspin said in WTF Bites:

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen said in WTF Bites:

@Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen Sadly not, but I kinda wish I had. I've just used the regular steel variety.

hmm..... I'll pass for now, but if you ever do get the solid gold cuffs, gimme a call, yeah?

And if you ever have other gold implements, I'll take those too!

I’m impressed / surprised / confused that you didn’t jump on @Atazhaia‘s cuff roleplay offer.

I'm not the one into bondage, you may have me confused by someone else...

TimeBandit

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

I'm not the one into bondage

IOW, you would bang almost anything, unless it's tied up?

MrL

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

@hungrier I'm willing to believe that every remaining COBOL programmer is a hostage situation.

I know some of them. They are pretty smug for hostages.

"I have employment safety for life and I don't even have to try"

"All this newfangled shit is useless. You can do everything in COBOL"

"Pff, learning new languages? What for?"

Jaloopa

@Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

@Vixen Just FYI, I am fully trained in the use of handcuffs in case you'd ever want to try getting cuffed.

Hey, @error, you left yourself signed in to the wrong alt

Tsaukpaetra

@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

I'm not the one into bondage

IOW, you would bang almost anything, unless it's tied up?

You can check my f-list whenever you want.

TimeBandit

@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

You can check my f-list whenever you want.

:do_not_want.png:

Vixen

@MrL said in WTF Bites:

They are pretty smug for hostages.

Stockholm Syndrome.

Gąska

@MrL said in WTF Bites:

@Gąska said in WTF Bites:

@hungrier I'm willing to believe that every remaining COBOL programmer is a hostage situation.

I know some of them. They are pretty smug for hostages.

"I have employment safety for life and I don't even have to try"

"All this newfangled shit is useless. You can do everything in COBOL"

"Pff, learning new languages? What for?"

They sound exactly like an average programmer!

(The first one might be country-specific.)