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@Tsaukpaetra What kind of unholy black magic are you doing that needs SQL Server and Ubuntu?
Game server uses SQL Server. Back in investigation on how to do it, I attempted to use the tools provided by Microsoft, which was a mistake.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Turns out it was msodbcsql17 (From Microsoft, natch).
It's not better on the CLI. Microsoft made it so that you need to accept the license again.
That works really well with automation tools
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Thanks, Ubuntu. Could you tell me literally anything more?
Oh, and while doing Software Updaters...
Which one? Should I be concerned? What should I do about this?
Settings is (naturally) not helpful, it just opens a dialog asking how often I want updates, and close (natch) just closes the window.
Useful!
IME, usually it's something like "Package manager has obtained a lock on required package update thingies" and the only way to fix it is to reboot.
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obtained a lock
I've been told by many a Linux luser that this is impossible.
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@Tsaukpaetra I think there's three different file locking APIs and as I understand even the mandatory ones aren't in all cases. However cooperative locking is pretty reliable.
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the only way to fix it is to reboot.
Oh, coming back to it now, apparently sometime overnight it decided bad things and...
Rebooting lead to a blank screen. Switching to the TTY0 got me:
I'm so glad Linux is ready for the Desktop.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
the only way to fix it is to reboot.
Oh, coming back to it now, apparently sometime overnight it decided bad things and...
Rebooting lead to a blank screen. Switching to the TTY0 got me:
I'm so glad Linux is ready for the Desktop.
I've been running into that a lot with my game server, and I strongly suspect a failing hard drive.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
obtained a lock
I've been told by many a Linux luser that this is impossible.
See, I'm not a Linux luser. I'm just a normal luser who sometimes uses Linux. There's a difference.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
ready for the Desktop.
Uh... yes?
Good thing I'm a standard user who knows what this gobblygook means.
Fix them all!!!!
"Filesystem was modified" You think!?!?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
the only way to fix it is to reboot.
Oh, coming back to it now, apparently sometime overnight it decided bad things and...
Rebooting lead to a blank screen. Switching to the TTY0 got me:
I'm so glad Linux is ready for the Desktop.
I've been running into that a lot with my game server, and I strongly suspect a failing hard drive.
This is a virtual disk, but I'll surface-scan the array just to be sure nothing is wonky on the host...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
ready for the Desktop.
Uh... yes?
Good thing I'm a standard user who knows what this gobblygook means.
Fix them all!!!!
"Filesystem was modified" You think!?!?
Here, take one of these:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
the only way to fix it is to reboot.
Oh, coming back to it now, apparently sometime overnight it decided bad things and...
Rebooting lead to a blank screen. Switching to the TTY0 got me:
I'm so glad Linux is ready for the Desktop.
I've been running into that a lot with my game server, and I strongly suspect a failing hard drive.
This is a virtual disk, but I'll surface-scan the array just to be sure nothing is wonky on the host...
Yeah, that was the clue for me. I have a VMware server with several disks in it. I noticed that every Linux VM that came up in "read-only mode" or whatever was hosted by that disk. Now I'm cramming everything onto the too-small SSD that was originally provisioned solely for Minecraft, just to keep things going because I'm too lazy to buy more hardware.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
I've been told by many a Linux luser that this is impossible.
Unlike Windows that locks an executable file while it's running, this is just a file in /var/lib/dpkg/lock that is there while dpkg is running
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
ready for the Desktop.
Uh... yes?
Good thing I'm a standard user who knows what this gobblygook means.
Fix them all!!!!
"Filesystem was modified" You think!?!?
Here, take one of these:
fsck -y /dev/sda2there. I virtualized the bird for you. :-P
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Hey Gmail, Backspace means delete the highlighted text from the editor, not close the email and go back a page in browser history!!!!!
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Hey Gmail, Backspace means delete the highlighted text from the editor, not close the email and go back a page in browser history!!!!!
Obligatory Filed Under: GODDAMNIT WHY DOES IT ERASE MY EMAIL WHEN I PRESS BACKSPACE JUST ONCE
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Whatever happened to auxiliary verbs?
IDGI, I think. The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
The only other thing, and only with a big maybe, is adding «will» so it reads, «If you will click...».
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The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
"Do you" is what I was referring to. I'm only an ESL speaker, but I definitely learned that questions like that are formed with the "do" auxiliary. Maybe it's omitted in some "colloquial" English but I didn't think an Office Suite should sound like a ghetto caveman.
Might also be the case that Americans don't speak real English.
Edit: the other part would get a "no" from me. Only the second part of the conditional sentence needs a "will", so that's correct as is.
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The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
"Do you" is what I was referring to. I'm only an ESL speaker, but I definitely learned that questions like that are formed with the "do" auxiliary. Maybe it's omitted in some "colloquial" English but I didn't think an Office Suite should sound like a ghetto caveman.
Might also be the case that Americans don't speak real English.
But it also uses
Don't. while I learned in school that contractions should not be used when writing formal English.
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The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
"Do you" is what I was referring to. I'm only an ESL speaker, but I definitely learned that questions like that are formed with the "do" auxiliary. Maybe it's omitted in some "colloquial" English but I didn't think an Office Suite should sound like a ghetto caveman.
Might also be the case that Americans don't speak real English.
Edit: the other part would get a "no" from me. Only the second part of the conditional sentence needs a "will", so that's correct as is.
Frankly, I would find the first sentence less fluent with a "do you" prefix. It just doesn't sound right for a dialog box. English is really permissive about sentence fragments in anything but formal writing, and no one outside of school writes formally. Making this formal comes across as ESL, to be honest.
Basically, English language "rules" are like the pirate's code. And most of the "rules" taught by teachers are not really rules (either anymore or never were rules to begin with).
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I'm ESL, but I disagree -- Microsoft's messages and documentation are typically written using a pretty formal style. "Want to" seems out of place to me here.
On the other hand, this is the New Microsoft, a.k.a. "don't give a damn about breaking things"-MS.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in UI Bites:
The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
"Do you" is what I was referring to. I'm only an ESL speaker, but I definitely learned that questions like that are formed with the "do" auxiliary. Maybe it's omitted in some "colloquial" English but I didn't think an Office Suite should sound like a ghetto caveman.
Might also be the case that Americans don't speak real English.
Edit: the other part would get a "no" from me. Only the second part of the conditional sentence needs a "will", so that's correct as is.
Frankly, I would find the first sentence less fluent with a "do you" prefix. It just doesn't sound right for a dialog box. English is really permissive about sentence fragments in anything but formal writing, and no one outside of school writes formally. Making this formal comes across as ESL, to be honest.
Well, let’s just say I prefer my professional software as ESL over caveman then.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in UI Bites:
(either anymore or never were rules to begin with).
Split infinitives, ending sentences with prepositions, two spaces after period, etc.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in UI Bites:
(either anymore or never were rules to begin with).
Split infinitives, ending sentences with prepositions, two spaces after period, etc.
All of these I have a different opinion of compared to what appears to be commonly taught. Split infinitives are fine (and avoiding them makes some things extremely awkward), ending sentences with a proposition sounds more formal but is also fine IMO. Two spaces after a period is a typewriter artifact that is just wrong.
Yet, I prefer that dialog box with “do you”.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in UI Bites:
The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
"Do you" is what I was referring to. I'm only an ESL speaker, but I definitely learned that questions like that are formed with the "do" auxiliary. Maybe it's omitted in some "colloquial" English but I didn't think an Office Suite should sound like a ghetto caveman.
Might also be the case that Americans don't speak real English.
Edit: the other part would get a "no" from me. Only the second part of the conditional sentence needs a "will", so that's correct as is.
Frankly, I would find the first sentence less fluent with a "do you" prefix. It just doesn't sound right for a dialog box.
If it was anything else, I'd agree that formal language would be out of place. But "do you want to" at the beginning of the last sentence in dialog box has been standard since at least Windows 3.0 - and probably even earlier (it's just that this is the version I remember). If anything, I'd expect "Save your changes?" instead - without "want to". As it is, it just looks bad.
Can't wait until MS starts writing "could of".
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ending sentences with a proposition
"the kind of errant pedantry up with which I will not put, want to have sex?"
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@Benjamin-Hall said in UI Bites:
The only "missing" words that I can see are «Do you» before «want to save...», but "standard" colloquial English allows both of those to be omitted.
"Do you" is what I was referring to. I'm only an ESL speaker, but I definitely learned that questions like that are formed with the "do" auxiliary. Maybe it's omitted in some "colloquial" English but I didn't think an Office Suite should sound like a ghetto caveman.
Might also be the case that Americans don't speak real English.
Edit: the other part would get a "no" from me. Only the second part of the conditional sentence needs a "will", so that's correct as is.
Frankly, I would find the first sentence less fluent with a "do you" prefix. It just doesn't sound right for a dialog box.
If it was anything else, I'd agree that formal language would be out of place. But "do you want to" at the beginning of the last sentence in dialog box has been standard since at least Windows 3.0 - and probably even earlier (it's just that this is the version I remember). If anything, I'd expect "Save your changes?" instead - without "want to". As it is, it just looks bad.
Can't wait until MS starts writing "could of".
I agree that the as phrased dialog box is bad...but "do you want to" just sounds stuffy. "Save changes?" would sound right to me. And as a matter of spoken language, most of the "question words" in english are handled with intonation.
As a side matter, one of the harder things for me in Russian was remembering that the intonation for a question (which carries the question-identity most of the time) is very different. In the US, we raise the tone at the end of a question sentence; there, they raise the tone on the word in question. Caused many misunderstandings.
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@levicki said in UI Bites:
You are about to close splicedcomma.docx, keep your changes?
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@levicki said in UI Bites:
[Keep] [Continue working] [Discard]
The first and last ought to be “Keep and close” and “Discard and close“, indicating that closing is still going to happen in those two cases.
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@levicki said in UI Bites:
More words would just add to the clutter.
You'd be surprised how big improvement to usability redundant language provides sometimes.
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@levicki said in UI Bites:
how I moved discard to the right as the last (and worst in case you didn't intend to) option,
Yes, not following the convention of other applications is a sure way to improve user experience.
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@loopback0 said in UI Bites:
Yes, not following the convention of other applications is a sure way to improve user experience.
One word: Innovation
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Hey Gmail, Backspace means delete the highlighted text from the editor, not close the email and go back a page in browser history!!!!!
You must be working in not-Chrome. And gmail must be assuming "everyone" uses Chrome. (because they disabled backspace == history-back in Chrome. Yeah, I'm a FF user too.)
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@levicki said in UI Bites:
No need because the action you commenced is CLOSING, so you know what you are doing and what will happen.
I would think that since "you know what you're doing, damn the computer for trying to second-guess you, wharrgarbl", there should be no prompt at all.
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Hey Gmail, Backspace means delete the highlighted text from the editor, not close the email and go back a page in browser history!!!!!
You must be working in not-Chrome. And gmail must be assuming "everyone" uses Chrome. (because they disabled backspace == history-back in Chrome. Yeah, I'm a FF user too.)
If that's the case:
about:config>browser.backspace_action> set to 2 or higher (0 is go back in history, 1 is scroll up a page).
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@Tsaukpaetra
According to the reference page this has been a default value under Linux, so one would guess this was consistent with some other behaviour of Linux hardware.
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@Tsaukpaetra
According to the reference page this has been a default value under Linux, so one would guess this was consistent with some other behaviour of Linux hardware.I suppose you could logic it out that if Space makes the screen scroll down (a page), then Backspace should scroll it right back up, I guess?
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@Tsaukpaetra What kind of unholy black magic are you doing that needs SQL Server and Ubuntu?
By coincidence, the project I worked on before is (probably; the customer didn't yet say definite word, but it is likely) about to switch to that combination too. The application currently runs with it's own MariaDB, but the customer has dedicated teams managing MSSQL and Oracle database servers, so they (quite reasonably) want to use one of those and get rid of this ad-hoc instance. And since the application is otherwise running on Linux (in containers), they will be using Linux connector for it (and Linux container with development server).
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Turns out it wasmsodbcsql17(From Microsoft, natch).
[...]
So far my impression that Microsoft packages for Ubuntu are made at least moderately competently. But it might actually be problem of how ubuntu-software(-or-whichever-tool-does-this) renders the debconf dialogs. GNOME and Unity are train-wrecks. I'd never use non-lettered Ubuntu (i.e. as opposed to KUbuntu, XUbuntu or LUbuntu) (and I also use
aptitudefor package management like I learned it 20 years ago).
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@TimeBandit said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Turns out it was msodbcsql17 (From Microsoft, natch).
It's not better on the CLI. Microsoft made it so that you need to accept the license again.
That works really well with automation tools
If it's a proper debconf template, it should be possible to pre-seed it. If not, they are idiots (but I thought they did know how this stuff).
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@Bulb You can pre-accept the licence by setting the environment variable "ACCEPT_EULA" to "Y"
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@TimeBandit said in UI Bites:
@Bulb You can pre-accept the licence by setting the environment variable "ACCEPT_EULA" to "Y"
You don't need to pre-accept it if you never pre-read it.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
If you crave bad UI, this game is for you:
(and it's made by a company that does IoT, which makes total sense)
Sometimes one like isn't enough.
8:15
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@levicki said in UI Bites:
I can't even begin to parse this.
Why "Want to save your changes to ...?"
it's a simple question god damn it, phrase it like one. For example:
+----------------------------------------------------------+ | You are about to close bullshit.xslx, keep your changes? | | | | [Keep] [Continue working] [Discard] | +----------------------------------------------------------+Given the question, the logical choices should be "Yes", "No".
For the possible answers given, the question should be something like: "What do you want to do next?"
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Two spaces after a period is a typewriter artifact that is just wrong.
No, it's not. If the software kerns, it's irrelevant. Otherwise, it's correct.
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Otherwise, it's correct.
If you set your calendar to before 1950, maybe:
Sentence spacing
From around 1950, single sentence spacing became standard in books, magazines, and newspapers, and the majority of style guides that use a Latin-derived alphabet as a language base now prescribe or recommend the use of a single space after the concluding punctuation of a sentence.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
Otherwise, it's correct.
If you set your calendar to before 1950, maybe:
Sentence spacing
From around 1950, single sentence spacing became standard in books, magazines, and newspapers, and the majority of style guides that use a Latin-derived alphabet as a language base now prescribe or recommend the use of a single space after the concluding punctuation of a sentence.Well, if Wikipedia agrees with you, it must be correct. I was a secretary much later than that, and double-spacing after a period was business-standard.
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