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WHOSE FUCKIN MORONIC IDEA IT WAS TO PUT THE "Undo close tab" CONTEXT MENU ITEM...
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...IN-BETWEEN "Close tab" and "Close (ALL) other tabs" items?SERIOUSLY?! DO YOU NEED A SENIOR UX DESIGNER? CAUSE I'VE NEVER DONE THAT JOB BEFORE AND I'M ALREADY BETTER QUALIFIED THAN WHOEVER IS DOING IT NOW!
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In your opinion, does Chrome do it better? For reference, here's the tab context menu:
And here's the relevant section in the main menu:
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@sh_code Hi, Blakey.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
In your opinion, does Chrome do it better? For reference, here's the tab context menu:
yes, because those [item-height-number-of] pixels are all I need to prevent any and all misclicks (at all times). that destroy my whole current state istead of going one step back in the current state. also, the next one, "Bookmark all" puts up a dialog box before actually doing an action, so if i misclicked, i can remedy that in the next step.
it might seem as still not the ideal version, but... it really is enough.
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@loopback0 nah, blakey is a weird autistic nitpick asshole. i'm, just a reasonable person who's currently shitfaced drunk.
there's a difference.
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@sh_code The lucas1 method. Gotcha.
What does it matter, we're all just boomzilla anyway.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
And here's the relevant section in the main menu:
main menu in a browser? what is that? where is that? what is it for? are there any beings in the universe that use it?
i wanna meet one! :-O
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@sh_code In order:
- It's a thing that might be something.
- See above.
- Under the Close Window button, typically.
- Holds shit you normally don't use.
- Maybe.
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@Tsaukpaetra seriously though, i've been using chrome for about 6 years and looking at the screenshot I was like "how the hell do I even open that thing? I don't think i've ever seen it before. is he trolling me?" XD
(and the only reason why I know it was the Chrome's one is thanks to that Update option)
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@sh_code said in DEAR FIREFOX:
how the hell do I even open that thing?
You click it.
@sh_code said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I don't think i've ever seen it before.
As I said...
@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
normally don't use.
@sh_code said in DEAR FIREFOX:
is he trolling me?
You're right, this isn't the General Help category. I should try harder.
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@sh_code why do you even use context menus to (un)close a tab, man? It's your bloody fault.
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@loopback0 said in DEAR FIREFOX:
What does it matter, we're all just boomzilla anyway.
I'm not quite shitfaced, but I have been drinking tonight!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
You were just looking for an excuse to show your browsing history, didn't you?
Seriously... LinkedIn? FedEx tracking? Do your perversions know no bound?!
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If you don't like where Undo Close Tab is, change it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7dvtw0/guide_how_to_edit_your_context_menu/
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@El_Heffe said in DEAR FIREFOX:
If you don't like where Undo Close Tab is, change it:
For example:
#context_closeTab {-moz-box-ordinal-group: 2 !important;}
#context_closeTabsToTheEnd {-moz-box-ordinal-group: 3 !important;}
#context_closeOtherTabs {-moz-box-ordinal-group: 4 !important;}
#context_undoCloseTab {-moz-box-ordinal-group: 5 !important;Results in this:
** Screenshot is Palemoon, but works the same with Firefucks.
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@Zerosquare said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
You were just looking for an excuse to show your browsing history, didn't you?
I'll admit I did a bit of baiting.
Seriously... LinkedIn? FedEx tracking? Do your perversions know no bound?!
Have you met me?
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Come on, that's just child's play when compared to Chrome's choice of hotkey for switching tabs and closing all tabs.
Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch to previous tab, and... Ctrl+Shift+Q to close all tabs. Yeah, obviously nobody's gonna misclick and lose all unsaved data.
What's even worse is that you absolutely can't modify the hotkeys because Google said so. The only workaround is to override it to make it do stuff with another addon instead. I made that hotkey combination to close all tabs to open Session Buddy.
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@El_Heffe huh, didn't know about this, nice, thanks.
but the fact that a (more advanced user) person can change the settings doesn't excuse stupid defaults anyway, in my opinion.
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@admiral_p said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@sh_code why do you even use context menus to (un)close a tab, man? It's your bloody fault.
why are they there if they're not supposed to be used?
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@_P_ said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Come on, that's just child's play when compared to Chrome's choice of hotkey for switching tabs and closing all tabs.
Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch to previous tab, and... Ctrl+Shift+Q to close all tabs. Yeah, obviously nobody's gonna misclick and lose all unsaved data.
On my keyboard, the key next to Tab is "A".
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@sh_code said in DEAR FIREFOX:
WHOSE FUCKIN MORONIC IDEA IT WAS TO PUT THE "Undo close tab" CONTEXT MENU ITEM...
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...IN-BETWEEN "Close tab" and "Close (ALL) other tabs" items?There's no shortcut for it (Ctrl-Z)? And no button showing list of closed tabs?
@_P_ said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Come on, that's just child's play when compared to Chrome's choice of hotkey for switching tabs and closing all tabs.
Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch to previous tab, and... Ctrl+Shift+Q to close all tabs. Yeah, obviously nobody's gonna misclick and lose all unsaved data.
In Vivaldi, with enabled single key hotkeys, previous/next tab in order is 1/2, previous/next recent is 3/4. Very convenient.
What's even worse is that you absolutely can't modify the hotkeys because Google said so. The only workaround is to override it to make it do stuff with another addon instead. I made that hotkey combination to close all tabs to open Session Buddy.
What?! Chrome is even worse than I remember. All hotkeys are configurable in Vivaldi.
I'm not shilling for Vivaldi here, I'm just amazed that people put up with Chrome.
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@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
In Vivaldi, with enabled single key hotkeys, previous/next tab in order is 1/2, previous/next recent is 3/4. Very convenient.
I suppose that would be convenient for the small subset of users who actually have ½ and ¾ keys.
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@da-Doctah said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
In Vivaldi, with enabled single key hotkeys, previous/next tab in order is 1/2, previous/next recent is 3/4. Very convenient.
I suppose that would be convenient for the small subset of users who actually have ½ and ¾ keys.
You seem to have them, cool.
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@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
previous/next tab in order is 1/2, previous/next recent is 3/4. Very convenient
I just use the mouse scroll wheel like a normal person.
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@sh_code said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@El_Heffe huh, didn't know about this, nice, thanks.
but the fact that a (more advanced user) person can change the settings doesn't excuse stupid defaults anyway, in my opinion.
You're right, your original complaint is valid. But that is how Firefox has always been, right from day one. A shitty, ugly, poorly designed UI .....BUT.... relatively easy to rearrange things and make the UI better.
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@admiral_p said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@sh_code why do you even use context menus to (un)close a tab, man? It's your bloody fault.
I can't speak for @sh_code, but personally, I use it because
(a) It's something I rarely do, so I can never remember what the appropriate hotkey is
(2) It isn't 1987 any more. I'm no longer running MS-DOS 3.3. I shouldn't have to remember a gazillion hotkeys -- that completely defeats the purpose of a GUI.
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@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
You seem to have them, cool.
+ . on Windows (switch to symbol tab)
No idea when they added that picker, but it's pretty useful and an okay-ish alternative to the compose key.
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@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I'm just amazed that people put up with Chrome.
It's objectively better than everything else.
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@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There's no shortcut for it (Ctrl-Z)? And no button showing list of closed tabs?
There's an ancient scroll in a remote cave deep in the middle of Siberia, guarded by a seven headed snake, that holds the secret of Ctrl+Shift+T
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@hungrier said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There's no shortcut for it (Ctrl-Z)? And no button showing list of closed tabs?
There's an ancient scroll in a remote cave deep in the middle of Siberia, guarded by a seven headed snake, that holds the secret of Ctrl+Shift+T
That's pretty awful, but at least it exists.
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@loopback0 said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@sh_code The lucas1 method. Gotcha.
What does it matter, we're all just boomzilla anyway.
What happened to lucas1 anyway? Did he successfully drink himself into an early grave?
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@hungrier said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There's no shortcut for it (Ctrl-Z)? And no button showing list of closed tabs?
There's an ancient scroll in a remote cave deep in the middle of Siberia, guarded by a seven headed snake, that holds the secret of Ctrl+Shift+T
Which then brings up the next question:
The U in Undo Close Tab is underlined. Isn't that supposed to mean that U is the shortcut key?
Alt U doesn't work.
Ctrl U doesn't work.
Ctrl Shift T Works!
WTF!!!!! 
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@sh_code said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@loopback0 nah, blakey is a weird autistic nitpick asshole. i'm, just a reasonable person who's currently shitfaced drunk.
there's a difference.
Hi I'm autistic and blakeyrat is not.
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@ben_lubar Hi I'm autistic and I'm pretty sure Blakeyrat is.
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@El_Heffe said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@hungrier said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@MrL said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There's no shortcut for it (Ctrl-Z)? And no button showing list of closed tabs?
There's an ancient scroll in a remote cave deep in the middle of Siberia, guarded by a seven headed snake, that holds the secret of Ctrl+Shift+T
Which then brings up the next question:
The U in Undo Close Tab is underlined. Isn't that supposed to mean that U is the shortcut key?
Alt U doesn't work.
Ctrl U doesn't work.
Ctrl Shift T Works!
WTF!!!!! Right click the tab and press u?
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@El_Heffe said in DEAR FIREFOX:
The U in Undo Close Tab is underlined. Isn't that supposed to mean that U is the shortcut key?
That's the key you need to press when operating the menu with the keyboard, but not necessarily the hotkey to activate it when the menu isn't in focus. Ideally it would be something like this, showing both:
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@hungrier said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@El_Heffe said in DEAR FIREFOX:
The U in Undo Close Tab is underlined. Isn't that supposed to mean that U is the shortcut key?
That's the key you need to press when operating the menu with the keyboard, but not necessarily the hotkey to activate it when the menu isn't in focus. Ideally it would be something like this, showing both:
Yup. Just the way Windows works since, um, forever! (forever == Windows 3.0, when I started using it)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch to previous tab, and... Ctrl+Shift+Q to close all tabs. Yeah, obviously nobody's gonna misclick and lose all unsaved data.
I can't say I've ever once missed the Tab key, or, really, any of the oblong keys along the edges. You can tell them all apart rather easily by touch alone.
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@error But what if you had a "special" keyboard layout like this?
Wouldn't it just be grand if sometimes when you wanted to hit left shift, you accidentally printed?
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@hungrier said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Wouldn't it just be grand if sometimes when you wanted to hit left shift, you accidentally printed?
Don't be ridiculous. If I wanted to print, I'd use
Math.Round.
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@error said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch to previous tab, and... Ctrl+Shift+Q to close all tabs. Yeah, obviously nobody's gonna misclick and lose all unsaved data.
Um. I didn't say that.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@error said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch to previous tab, and... Ctrl+Shift+Q to close all tabs. Yeah, obviously nobody's gonna misclick and lose all unsaved data.
Um. I didn't say that.
Of course you did. I highlighted the nested quote and clicked Reply. The text was inserted automatically.
You seem to be implying that NodeBB has a bug, and that is, frankly, laughable.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
And when I was complaining about insane defaults in Visual Studio nobody came to say that.
Because pretty much nobody else agrees that this behavior is undesirable?
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Right-Click and then U
An operation that requires both mouse and keyboard? How does that even make sense? If I use the mouse to right click on the tab, why not just click on Undo Close Tab?
Oh wait. This is Firefox. It isn't supposed to make sense.
Never mind.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I was wondering who needs "undo close tab" anywhere
Never Use a Warning When you Mean Undo
Are our web apps as smart as they should be? By failing to account for habituation (the tendency, when presented with a string of repetitive tasks, to keep clicking OK), do our designs cause people…
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@error said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I was wondering who needs "undo close tab" anywhere
Never Use a Warning When you Mean Undo
Are our web apps as smart as they should be? By failing to account for habituation (the tendency, when presented with a string of repetitive tasks, to keep clicking OK), do our designs cause people…
You can add a double warning (Are you really sure?), but that will only work for so long. Then you need triple warnings.
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@Sumireko said in DEAR FIREFOX:
You can add a double warning (Are you really sure?), but that will only work for so long. Then you need triple warnings.
With buttons that randomly shift positions each time!
