Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users
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@jinpa because it's about a browser API. If you run Chromium the only difference ends up being that you can put off the update forever, at which point you're left with an outdated browser.
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@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@jinpa because it's about a browser API. If you run Chromium the only difference ends up being that you can put off the update forever, at which point you're left with an outdated browser.
I wonder what the chances of a fork of Chromium are. It seems like they could mirror Chromium, just removing the ad-blocking restrictions.
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@jinpa I haven't looked in detail at the technical side of this, but it seems to me if the API is part of the open-source Chromium project, any of the Chromium based browsers could override it. However, whether any of them will do so in practice remains to be seen.
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@jinpa said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
I wonder what the chances of a fork of Chromium are.
This latest move by Google might provide an incentive for someone to do it, but I wouldn't hold your breath. I once created my own fork of Firefox and it was a huge pain in the ass, and just not worth the effort.
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@DogsB said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
*edit Oooooooooohhh Microsoft makes money from ads : https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-30/microsoft-s-bing-is-not-the-laughingstock-of-technology-anymore
MS’s Solitaire app also shows ads after every game. Well, ads … it’s more clickbait than ads: stock photo with something like “Find out how people in [name of town within n km of where it thinks you are] save money on gas bills!” underneath. But I suppose MS is getting paid for these anyway, so it counts as advertising.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Times change. Firefox used to be awesome. Then, around 3.5, it became horrible, and each release was worse than previous one, and Chrome was awesome in every regard (that was back when Google's motto was still "don't be evil"). Then Chrome became horrible too, but Firefox was even worse. Recently, around version 50 or something, Firefox stopped being horrible.
Firefox still doesn't have process-per-tab, despite announcing it back in 2009. They'll have to implement that before they can say they stopped being horrible.
My co-worker thought his PC was broken because it would freeze as soon as he logged in. It turned out that it was just the new amazing Windows 10 feature that helpfully attempted to re-open Chrome where he had a gazillion tabs open, each with its own process.
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@cvi said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
The people who do ad blocking will notice if it stops working in their current browser.
And notice it they will! The recent Firefox certificate expiry oopsie that had disabled my uBlock Origin add-on reminded me just how much of a cesspit your average website without an ad blocker is. I lived in such blissful ignorance.
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@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
amazing Windows 10 feature that helpfully attempted to re-open
Fuck, I hate that. It often does that to Firefox for me. And I closed the damn thing before logging out (well, rebooting).
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@dcon said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
amazing Windows 10 feature that helpfully attempted to re-open
Fuck, I hate that. It often does that to Firefox for me. And I closed the damn thing before logging out (well, rebooting).
Fortunately you can turn it off. Unfortunately it's in a completely nonsensical place listed under a totally obscure option so it's practically guaranteed you'll never find it:
Settings > Accounts > Sign-in options > Privacy > Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device and reopen my apps after an update or restart.
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@Deadfast Thank you! I was just too
to do look for it. Since it didn't happen frequently enough to trigger pure 
!
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@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Settings > Accounts > Sign-in options > Privacy > Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device and reopen my apps after an update or restart.
What if I want it to use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device but not reopen my apps after an update or restart, or vice versa?
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Sure, can't trust the user to know what he's doing.
This is the exact rationale that lead to the removal of F8-to-safe-mode in Windows.
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@Gurth said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Settings > Accounts > Sign-in options > Privacy > Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device and reopen my apps after an update or restart.
What if I want it to use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device but not reopen my apps after an update or restart, or vice versa?
Chances are everything before "reopen" in that sentence is completely made up.
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@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
If this goes through I think I'm switching to
EdgeFirefox.I already use Firefox as my primary browser at work, I've just been to
to switch at home. As long as Firefox doesn't follow suit I'll make the effort.@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
I've only ever seen that when downloading an exe. It's not a big problem, and it's clearly intended to attempt to protect the sort of user base that's not hanging out here.
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Pops up with every file you download.
No, it doesn't.
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
What's different than my description?
A lot.
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@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Times change. Firefox used to be awesome. Then, around 3.5, it became horrible, and each release was worse than previous one, and Chrome was awesome in every regard (that was back when Google's motto was still "don't be evil"). Then Chrome became horrible too, but Firefox was even worse. Recently, around version 50 or something, Firefox stopped being horrible.
Firefox still doesn't have process-per-tab, despite announcing it back in 2009. They'll have to implement that before they can say they stopped being horrible.
My co-worker thought his PC was broken because it would freeze as soon as he logged in. It turned out that it was just the new amazing Windows 10 feature that helpfully attempted to re-open Chrome where he had a gazillion tabs open, each with its own process.
This feature strangely doesn't work for me. Like, at all.
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@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@cvi said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
The people who do ad blocking will notice if it stops working in their current browser.
And notice it they will! The recent Firefox certificate expiry oopsie that had disabled my uBlock Origin add-on reminded me just how much of a cesspit your average website without an ad blocker is. I lived in such blissful ignorance.
If they had just one modest ad every web page, I might try to live without an ad blocker. But it's just too obnoxious without one.
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Anecdote about the downloading thing (on Chrome proper, not Vivaldi):
I was recently playing a HTML game served from local disk. It has the option to save state to a file (really, just a base64 encoded compressed JSON data). First several times I did this, no problem. After that, every time I now get prompted "this file is not commonly downloaded". Like, were the first five files commonly downloaded?
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@hungrier said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Cursorkeys Is Brave on PC any good yet? I've been using it on my phone for ages but last time I tried the desktop version it didn't impress me.
I've never used it before, but I've trying it for a day now.
It seems nice and fast, and the ad-blocking by default is actually really impressive. A very big negative is that I can't have my tabs vertically.
And I'm not sure how it will perform with a couple of hundred tabs open, I stopped using Firefox because it would shit itself once you got over 400 tabs or so. Vivaldi was my new favourite because it didn't care how many tabs you had open.
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@Cursorkeys said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
once you got over 400 tabs or so
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@loopback0 said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Cursorkeys said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
once you got over 400 tabs or so
Yeah, it has been said. I prefer to leave a trail of tabs open when I'm doing research, it works so much better than bookmarks because you can see the trail (and dead-ends) very quickly when reviewing. It enables backtracking very easily too.
Vivaldi's approach is a very clever graduated suspension and then freezing of tabs depending on when you accessed then. So, if you haven't accessed a tab in this session then it's still frozen and not taking any resources. Makes for fast startups even if you have a bazillion tabs open.
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I'm glad I stuck with Firefox, as it massively improved with Quantum. And even though it does a lot of Chrome-copying, you still can customize it a whole lot better than any Chromium-based browser. And as I mentioned elsewhere, the Chrome/Chromium dev team seems to get their advice on software development and how to respond to requests and bug reports directly from
himself.And mobile Firefox has full addon support too, something Chrome doesn't. (But not on iOS because Apple.)
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Whereas I like it when one crashed website doesn't cause me to lose the contents of all of my open tabs
You shouldn't have so many open tabs. That's a bad habit and it's a good thing the browser doesn't encourage it.
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Does anyone have any good/bad experiences using
AdGuard DNS — ad-blocking DNS server
Create your ad-blocking DNS server that will protect your personal data, prevent tracking and allow you to control access to specific content on the Internet.
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@Cursorkeys said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
you got over 400 tabs or so.
I have a lot of tabs open. I don't know how many, too many to bother counting. I have too many tabs. I have less than 400 — a lot less. I might have 100. 400 is way too many.
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@codnghorror said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
You shouldn't have so many open tabs. That's a bad habit
I will give that advice the same consideration I would give any other advice from
.
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@Cursorkeys said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Vivaldi's approach is a very clever graduated suspension and then freezing of tabs depending on when you accessed then. So, if you haven't accessed a tab in this session then it's still frozen and not taking any resources. Makes for fast startups even if you have a bazillion tabs open.
Sounds a bit like Safari. When that restarts, it loads the tabs that are actually visible, while the ones that aren’t only get loaded when you switch to them.
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@Gurth Which is what Firefox does as well, FWIW.
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@codnghorror said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Whereas I like it when one crashed website doesn't cause me to lose the contents of all of my open tabs
You shouldn't have so many open tabs. That's a bad habit and it's a good thing the browser doesn't encourage it.
Even if I only had 2 tabs open, I’d have the same problem. So yes, the browser does encourage my behavior by having tabs at all.
(I usually have 10-20 tabs open, not hundreds like others here.)
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@Unperverted-Vixen What kind of sites do you go to that crash your browser though?
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@Zecc said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Unperverted-Vixen What kind of sites do you go to that crash your browser though?
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@Zecc I couldn’t say. It’s been a while, quite possibly years. But even if it’s rare now, losing the safety net is enough to keep me away from Firefox.
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@Jaloopa said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Zecc said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Unperverted-Vixen What kind of sites do you go to that crash your browser though?
But I don't go there…
(No, I don't know if I'm actually welcome or not. I simply don't want anything to do with them.)
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@Gurth said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Deadfast said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Settings > Accounts > Sign-in options > Privacy > Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device and reopen my apps after an update or restart.
What if I want it to use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device but not reopen my apps after an update or restart, or vice versa?
That's actually why I had left it on. (and didn't connect the dots to "reopen apps")
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@dcon I still don’t understand what the first part of that option is good for, though. Reopening programs, sure — I find that very handy. But how often does Windows need to set up your device that it’s specifically mentioned in the option?
And also: why does it need your sign-in info for both of those tasks? Needing that information to finish setting up a device, again, I can picture something with that. But why does it need your sign-in info to reopen your apps? I’d expect that to happen as a function of logging onto your user account, not be a separate thing that also needs login information.
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@Cursorkeys said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@hungrier said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Cursorkeys Is Brave on PC any good yet? I've been using it on my phone for ages but last time I tried the desktop version it didn't impress me.
I've never used it before, but I've trying it for a day now.
I tried Brave about 2 years ago and was not impressed. Tried it again a couple of days ago, still not impressed. It's just another Chrome. No thanks. Which led me to a humorous discovery. (humorous to me but probably no one else)
One of the things I didn't like about Brave, and that I considered a deal-breaker, was there didn't seem to be any way to change the location of the browser cache. I posted a question on their support forum and got a reply from one of the developers who seemed to be genuinely puzzled and couldn't seem to understand why I would want to do such a thing.
After some back and forth trying to explain why this is a good idea (putting the browser cache on a RAM disk, among other things) as well as the fact that every browser I've ever used has had this feature for at least a decade, I was told that someone had already submitted a request for this and I could track it at [some url].
Fast forward 2 years to today, the request for user configuration of the browser cache is still open and nothing has been done. The only discussion was someone tried to create a symlink from the default cache location to a RAM disk, but somehow Brave resets it every time it starts and so things got derailed talking about that, and can it be fixed.
Then it occurred to me. When I first tried Brave, I didn't think about the fact that its just another Chrome clone. What if I used the same command line switch that Chrome uses?
--disk-cache-dir="D:\whatever"
And it works.
These doofuses don't even understand how their own browser works..
Filed under: Forking is hard. Just do a search/replace and change all occurrences of 'Chrome' to 'Brave'.
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@Gurth said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@dcon I still don’t understand what the first part of that option is good for, though. Reopening programs, sure — I find that very handy. But how often does Windows need to set up your device that it’s specifically mentioned in the option?
And also: why does it need your sign-in info for both of those tasks? Needing that information to finish setting up a device, again, I can picture something with that. But why does it need your sign-in info to reopen your apps? I’d expect that to happen as a function of logging onto your user account, not be a separate thing that also needs login information.
Could mean that it re-applies your sign-in credentials to UWP apps that require them (from which the credentials were to the OS credential database). Like, say, Facebook or your banking app/page. Or the millions of enterprise applets that need separate sign-in, although anything new enough to be UWP would support other ways of single-sign-on anyway.
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@El_Heffe They're too busy with their monetization scheme of taking money from both the users and websites/ad companies.
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@Cursorkeys said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
So, if you haven't accessed a tab in this session then it's still frozen and not taking any resources.
Firefox does that, too. I know, because I too have like ~100 tabs open like that (in different windows, I'm using 8 virtual desktops).
And yes, I know it's. Once I get around to clearing the backlog I vow to do better. There is just too much context switching going on at work.
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@Gurth said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
But why does it need your sign-in info to reopen your apps? I’d expect that to happen as a function of logging onto your user account, not be a separate thing that also needs login information.
Because Windows now has this feature called "fast logon", where when it gets to the login screen it will silently log you into the last profile logged into the PC in the background and reopen all apps, so when you type in your password it will look like Windows is blazing fast at startup even though it was all just background fakery, like everything else designed to make Windows look faster than it is.
And yes, if your browser happened to be open on a Youtube video then it will start playing said video and you can't do anything about it until you actually log in.
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More fun Chrome vs Firefox stuff noticed at work. Because we're using Google services heavily at work I have started using Chrome as a browser for work stuff and Firefox for private stuff to keep things separated. Start Firefox: Loads the tab that was in focus only, the rest are loaded when poked. Start Chrome: Loads every single tab, meaning that all the work tabs gets redirected to my work login because the session expired. So instead of just loading the first tab, log in, and then be all logged in when accessing the other tabs I get to do extra effort getting the other tabs back. So, yeah. Fuck Chrome.
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@Atazhaia said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
And yes, if your browser happened to be open on a Youtube video then it will start playing said video and you can't do anything about it until you actually log in.
Firefox now blocks autoplaying videos by default, while also letting whitelist sites.
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(Predictable) reply from Vivaldi team is 'we are paying close attention to the conversation' and of course 'don't worry, all will be good'. They won't do a thing.
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@Atazhaia said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Start Chrome: Loads every single tab, meaning that all the work tabs gets redirected to my work login because the session expired. So instead of just loading the first tab, log in, and then be all logged in when accessing the other tabs I get to do extra effort getting the other tabs back.
Sloth
Automatically discards all tabs at startup, before they load, reducing memory footprint and unnecessary bandwidth usage.
Lifesaver this one.
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@Atazhaia said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
And yes, if your browser happened to be open on a Youtube video then it will start playing said video and you can't do anything about it until you actually log in.
So it only works on multi-user systems where it's cheating with the time spent on the logon screen, but it doesn't work on multi-user systems because that behavior is absolute garbage.
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@Atazhaia said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Because Windows now has this feature called "fast logon", where when it gets to the login screen it will silently log you into the last profile logged into the PC in the background and reopen all apps, so when you type in your password it will look like Windows is blazing fast at startup even though it was all just background fakery, like everything else designed to make Windows look faster than it is.
Ignoring the bug for now, what exactly is wrong with this behaviour? In the worst case (immediately logging in or using a different account to last time) this is no faster or slower than just logging in on command but in the best case (power on, get distracted, enter password) it's faster than before. What possible reason could there be to dislike it apart from "hurr durr m$ bad lol"?
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@Jaloopa
It’s generally not great when your PornTube video restarts on full blast at 3am.
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@Jaloopa said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Atazhaia said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Because Windows now has this feature called "fast logon", where when it gets to the login screen it will silently log you into the last profile logged into the PC in the background and reopen all apps, so when you type in your password it will look like Windows is blazing fast at startup even though it was all just background fakery, like everything else designed to make Windows look faster than it is.
Ignoring the bug for now, what exactly is wrong with this behaviour? In the worst case (immediately logging in or using a different account to last time) this is no faster or slower than just logging in on command but in the best case (power on, get distracted, enter password) it's faster than before. What possible reason could there be to dislike it apart from "hurr durr m$ bad lol"?
It would be a great feature if it was separated from relaunching applications.
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@Deadfast No kidding, It took me forever to install an ad blocker. I probably browsed without one into, wow, probably 2014 or so. As bad as it's gotten with the ad blocker, I don't dare to imagine what it'd be like if I hadn't started...
Also, Chrome is the worst browser for tabs. After about 30-35, it starts making them too small to see the icons. Somewhere around 40-45, it just doesn't show the overflow at all. Why can't it just scroll like Firefox? Too hard for
and the pink-haired weirdos in Mountain View?
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