Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users
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The spec for Manifest v3 was released for comments in January, however someone from Google recently updated it and added a note related to the webrequest API:
Chrome is deprecating the blocking capabilities of the webRequest API in Manifest V3, not the entire webRequest API (though blocking will still be available to enterprise deployments).
V3 removes the ability for extensions to block requests, instead requiring extensions to send a declarative static blocklist to the browser and rely on the browser to block requests. This new API also limits the number of blocked entries to 30,000 (half of EasyList's length).
Raymond Hill (uBlock, uBlock Origin creator) replied:
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Fucking hell. I thought nothing would ever shift me off of Chrome but I was wrong. If this goes through I think I'm switching to Edge. Guarantee you at least a tenth of their user base will follow suit. How on earth can you fuck something like this up?
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@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
If this goes through I think I'm switching to Edge.
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@Zecc what? it's fast, and has features, and Firefox has several threads around here by now, and Vivaldi'd have the same problem.
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@pie_flavor doesn't edge use Chrome's engine now? I'm not sure if that matters or if this change is only in the non-engine part, but...
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@Benjamin-Hall dang, you're right. Then Vivaldi might actually be a better bet since they'd be more likely to un-fuck the change.
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@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
How on earth can you fuck something like this up?
They are not fucking anything up, it's absolutely predictable move on their part.
Tiny minority of chrome users will leave - it will be those that block all ads anyway, so zero losses.
The rest of sheep will stay and gobble up ads like they are supposed to - profits up.I thought that they will wait a little longer with this - until all competition is dead. But it seems they decided competition doesn't matter anymore, and they are probably right.
Of course this is just the first step, more ads and internet control from G is to come.I guess it's time to find some Privoxy of today.
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@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Benjamin-Hall dang, you're right. Then Vivaldi might actually be a better bet since they'd be more likely to un-fuck the change.
That's highly unlikely. They don't have the resources (or will) to mess with the engine.
They didn't even bother with removing that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup, although it was highly requested back in the day.
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@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
and Firefox has several threads around here by now
Firefox has several threads because there were several times they did phenomenally stupid stuff that pissed off its users. So does everything else, if it doesn't come with the things people consider Firefox missteps by default.
In other words: it sucks at times but it's still better than everything else.
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@pie_flavor doesn't edge use Chrome's engine now? I'm not sure if that matters or if this change is only in the non-engine part, but...
Microsoft would have the resources to mess with the engine, though. And since they don't rely as much on advertisements for their income as Google, supporting adblocking in Edge could end up being a move that actually attracts people to switch over.
(I'm calling it now - a few years down the road from now, Edge is going to be the new "cool" browser. )
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
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@cvi said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@pie_flavor doesn't edge use Chrome's engine now? I'm not sure if that matters or if this change is only in the non-engine part, but...
Microsoft would have the resources to mess with the engine, though. And since they don't rely as much on advertisements for their income as Google, supporting adblocking in Edge could end up being a move that actually attracts people to switch over.
But it would require them to go into open war against the most common and most successful money making strategy on the internet. Very unlikely they'd go for it, and even less likely it would end up good for general population.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@cvi said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@pie_flavor doesn't edge use Chrome's engine now? I'm not sure if that matters or if this change is only in the non-engine part, but...
Microsoft would have the resources to mess with the engine, though. And since they don't rely as much on advertisements for their income as Google, supporting adblocking in Edge could end up being a move that actually attracts people to switch over.
But it would require them to go into open war against the most common and most successful money making strategy on the internet. Very unlikely they'd go for it, and even less likely it would end up good for general population.
If they don't make any money from advertisements then it's a good move. Unfortunately they have a Microsoft branding problem so that will scare more than a few users away. The last time I checked Opera has ad blocking built in but they have a backed by a Chinese company problem. Firefox might be the way to go.
*edit Oooooooooohhh Microsoft makes money from ads : https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-30/microsoft-s-bing-is-not-the-laughingstock-of-technology-anymore
I might want to switch to Firefox then.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
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As someone who never left Firefox (although I did have to change to the Palemoon fork because of Mozilla's insane and retarded fuckery) I would just like to say, to all the sheeple who dumped their browser and rushed off to Chrome-land:
Maybe letting an advertising company control a lot of the Internet isn't such a good idea after all.
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@pie_flavor said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Benjamin-Hall dang, you're right. Then Vivaldi might actually be a better bet since they'd be more likely to un-fuck the change.
That's highly unlikely. They don't have the resources (or will) to mess with the engine.
They didn't even bother with removing that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup, although it was highly requested back in the day.
Agreed (sadly), Vivaldi is probably going to do nothing based on their previous response to similar issues:
It was removed from Chromium. You can see that initial discussion happening here on that topic: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/net-dev/2JDUmbFBUGM
It's a lot of work for us to re-add and maintain such feature...
Looks like it's going to be Brave browser for me then as I hate Firefox:
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@El_Heffe said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
As someone who never left Firefox (although I did have to change to the Palemoon fork because of Mozilla's insane and retarded fuckery) I would just like to say, to all the sheeple who dumped their browser and rushed off to Chrome-land:
Times change. Firefox used to be awesome. Then, around 3.5, it became horrible, and each release was worse than previous one, and Chrome was awesome in every regard (that was back when Google's motto was still "don't be evil"). Then Chrome became horrible too, but Firefox was even worse. Recently, around version 50 or something, Firefox stopped being horrible.
Maybe letting an advertising company control a lot of the Internet isn't such a good idea after all.
Remember who originally sponsored Firefox?
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@El_Heffe said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
As someone who never left Firefox (although I did have to change to the Palemoon fork because of Mozilla's insane and retarded fuckery) I would just like to say, to all the sheeple who dumped their browser and rushed off to Chrome-land:
Maybe letting an advertising company control a lot of the Internet isn't such a good idea after all.
I tried to use Firefox a few times and hated every minute of it. Used Opera 12 well beyond the point when they decided to throw away everything good about the browser. Finally had to change to something else and Vivaldi looked like something promising. They half-delivered what they promised, I'd say. Still better than Chrome, though.
I don't know what I'll do when this advertisement shit goes through.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Remember who originally sponsored Firefox?
And they still do. Another reason to use Palemoon.
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
Uh...that's not what you described before. At all. I wouldn't remove that if I were them, either.
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@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
Uh...that's not what you described before. At all.
Pops up with every file you download. Deletes the file if you don't click 'keep'. What's different than my description?
Oh, did I mention it's not configurable in any way?
I wouldn't remove that if I were them, either.
Sure, can't trust the user to know what he's doing.
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@MrL
so I specifically went to nuget.org, clicked download and downloaded the most recent nuget.exe version ... it just downloaded. no warning, nothing.
one of us is
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
Uh...that's not what you described before. At all.
Pops up with every file you download. Deletes the file if you don't click 'keep'. What's different than my description?
Your totally misleading description which ignores the entire point of it.
I wouldn't remove that if I were them, either.
Sure, can't trust the user to know what he's doing.
Have you ever met a user? No, seriously, we all know this is one of the main ways users get malware.
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@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
Uh...that's not what you described before. At all.
Pops up with every file you download. Deletes the file if you don't click 'keep'. What's different than my description?
Your totally misleading description which ignores the entire point of it.
What did you think was the point? To me it was obvious from his description it was anti-masturbation measure.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Times change. Firefox used to be awesome. Then, around 3.5, it became horrible, and each release was worse than previous one, and Chrome was awesome in every regard (that was back when Google's motto was still "don't be evil"). Then Chrome became horrible too, but Firefox was even worse. Recently, around version 50 or something, Firefox stopped being horrible.
Firefox still doesn't have process-per-tab, despite announcing it back in 2009. They'll have to implement that before they can say they stopped being horrible.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
that retarded 'you downloaded a file, do you want to delete it immediately?' popup
Wait, what? Is this how Chrome works now?
Yes, every time you download something that is not. I don't know, txt file, you get this
Every. Fucking. Time.
Uh...that's not what you described before. At all.
Pops up with every file you download. Deletes the file if you don't click 'keep'. What's different than my description?
Your totally misleading description which ignores the entire point of it.
What did you think was the point? To me it was obvious from his description it was anti-masturbation measure.
I had no idea what he was talking about, and I've seen the actual dialog many times.
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@boomzilla said in [Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users]
Have you ever met a user? No, seriously, we all know this is one of the main ways users get malware.
And a popup that noone will read will help how?
But that's not my point, I don't care what annoying shit are common users subjected to. My point is that is not configurable, not possible to turn off and baked directly into the engine. Another example of 'we know better' culture that I loathe.
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@boomzilla said in [Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users]
Have you ever met a user? No, seriously, we all know this is one of the main ways users get malware.
And a popup that noone will read will help how?
I've read it.
But that's not my point, I don't care what annoying shit are common users subjected to. My point is that is not configurable, not possible to turn off and baked directly into the engine. Another example of 'we know better' culture that I loathe.
I get that, but I think you're aiming at the wrong target here.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Firefox still doesn't have process-per-tab, despite announcing it back in 2009. They'll have to implement that before they can say they stopped being horrible.
For me that's actually a reason for sticking with Firefox. I like when my browser does not monopolize the task manager.
Of course, with the increasing number of applications which are actually Eletron-based, that tends not to happen anyway.
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@Zecc said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
For me that's actually a reason for sticking with Firefox. I like when my browser does not monopolize the task manager.
Whereas I like it when one crashed website doesn't cause me to lose the contents of all of my open tabs.
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@Zecc said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Firefox still doesn't have process-per-tab, despite announcing it back in 2009. They'll have to implement that before they can say they stopped being horrible.
For me that's actually a reason for sticking with Firefox. I like when my browser does not monopolize the task manager.
Still on Windows 7, eh?
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@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
I've read it.
Avarage Joe will read it, maybe but not really, once. He will learn which button to press and will do it automatically from then on. Do you read this popup every time?
I get that, but I think you're aiming at the wrong target here.
That's just an example of Vivaldi's misleading premise. They started out with 'from the creators of Opera, bringing back the browser you control!', then proceeded to ignore everything that comes with the engine (and user suggestions) and ended up implementing dumb shit like Razer Chroma.
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PiHole running on a VM proxying your DNS requests. That would take care of the issue for laptops on the move. For the rest of us we can run it at home. This might push me to set it up.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Whereas I like it when one crashed website doesn't cause me to lose the contents of all of my open tabs.
I like that Firefox with uBlock Origin hardly ever crashes, and can recover the list of open tabs in the rare occasion it does.
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Still on Windows 7, eh?
As well, yes.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
But it would require them to go into open war against the most common and most successful money making strategy on the internet.
Not really. They would only have to support the current status quo, where users can block ads if they wish. It would be a bit like with Chrome (and Firefox before that), where, if you have enough "techies" switch, they will end up recommending and installing the browser for other people.
@DogsB said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
edit Oooooooooohhh Microsoft makes money from ads
Sure. But Google makes 16 times more from ads according to that article.
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@cvi said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
But it would require them to go into open war against the most common and most successful money making strategy on the internet.
Not really. They would only have to support the current status quo, where users can block ads if they wish.
Are they going to advertise themselves as the browser where blocking works?
- Yes: they've just hugely raised public awareness that ad blocking is a thing.
- No: nothing would change as the people who currently do ad blocking are the same people who would never switch to any MS-branded browser.
It would be a bit like with Chrome (and Firefox before that), where, if you have enough "techies" switch, they will end up recommending and installing the browser for other people.
Chrome's popularity was greatly fueled by Android and Google's very intrusive ad campaign in their other products.
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@Polygeekery said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
PiHole
FWIW pihole and hosts based blocking won't be as effective as URL based blocking (eg I believe YouTube serves ads from their own domain) and will also leave blank spots on pages
E: also you can just use http://someonewhocares.org/hosts instead of adding latency to all your DNS requests
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@boomzilla said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
I've read it.
Avarage Joe will read it, maybe but not really, once. He will learn which button to press and will do it automatically from then on. Do you read this popup every time?
I notice it. I don't recall downloading something I didn't intend to download that was some sort of executable.
I get that, but I think you're aiming at the wrong target here.
That's just an example of Vivaldi's misleading premise. They started out with 'from the creators of Opera, bringing back the browser you control!', then proceeded to ignore everything that comes with the engine (and user suggestions) and ended up implementing dumb shit like Razer Chroma.
Oh, sorry, I missed the Vivaldi angle.
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@Cursorkeys Is Brave on PC any good yet? I've been using it on my phone for ages but last time I tried the desktop version it didn't impress me.
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@hungrier The desktop version of Brave is basically the same as Google Chrome now.
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@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
No: nothing would change as the people who currently do ad blocking are the same people who would never switch to any MS-branded browser.
The people who do ad blocking will notice if it stops working in their current browser. Assuming they decide to switch, it won't be very difficult to find out which browsers do and which don't support blocking. No need for a targeted campaign or anything.
Question is more whether or not switching to Microsoft will be more or less painful. I'm also not so sure about the MS-branding thing. Microsoft has been improving a lot recently in my opinion, whereas Google and other formerly-"cool" companies have been going more towards the direction of "meh" at an alarming pace.
(FWIW, I'm talking about timespans of 5-10 years.)
Chrome's popularity was greatly fueled by Android and Google's very intrusive ad campaign in their other products.
Sure (or so I've been told elsewhere too -- I think I missed that campaign somehow). And Microsoft is probably a bit more reluctant about using their other produces as a platform, seeing as they've already gotten into trouble with that several times.
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@cvi said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
(FWIW, I'm talking about timespans of 5-10 years.)
10 years ago Chrome barely existed. I don't think it's possible to make any meaningful predictions about consumer software that far in future.
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@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Every. Fucking. Time.
I only see that the first time. When I download a new version it doesn't seem to (usually, there are a couple exceptions) do it again. Possibly something doing with signing?
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@dcon said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@MrL said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Every. Fucking. Time.
I only see that the first time. When I download a new version it doesn't seem to (usually, there are a couple exceptions) do it again. Possibly something doing with signing?
It seems to remember files sometimes, for some time.
Which would be great, if I had a habit of downloading the same files all the time
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
@Gąska said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
Times change. Firefox used to be awesome. Then, around 3.5, it became horrible, and each release was worse than previous one, and Chrome was awesome in every regard (that was back when Google's motto was still "don't be evil"). Then Chrome became horrible too, but Firefox was even worse. Recently, around version 50 or something, Firefox stopped being horrible.
Firefox still doesn't have process-per-tab, despite announcing it back in 2009. They'll have to implement that before they can say they stopped being horrible.
Firefox has multiple processes for multiple tabs and separate processes for garbage add-ons like flash, that's good enough for me.
Actually, I already dislike that a single tab can consume more than 100% of CPU (i.e. more than one core).
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@Zecc said in Chrome to limit ad blocking to 30k rules, prevent request blocking for non-enterprise users:
As well, yes.
The question was asked because Win10 groups related processes under a single entry in the task manager.
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@pie_flavor So does Process Explorer, but that won't stop me from complaining.
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I'm currently running Chromium. Is there any reason the fix isn't as simple as a switch to Chromium?