Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]
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@Zerosquare Yeah if someone gets that uppity over your game choices it's best that they fuck off.
I hate candy crush and all the assholes that play it but I'll defend their right to do so. Fuck the haters.
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@Gribnit said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Steve_The_Cynic Sigh. The picture does appear to be of
Speak With Dead
. What would you have us call the raisers of the dead?Sorcerers. Unless they are doing it exclusively for divinatory purposes. That said, it would have been difficult to persuade a mediaeval Church court that the distinction was meaningful. I suspect the most you could hope for would be that they would tie you to the stake before lighting the fire rather than lighting the fire after they tied you to the stake.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@gurth said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Scarlet_Manuka said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
What do people want to do with computers?
(a) play games
(b) email, social media, internet
(c) when necessary, workThat's pretty much it.
No, also:
(d) watch Disney Magical Fucking Kingdom
The Internet is for...?
i.e. covered under (b)
But so are the other two things you mentioned under (b) before “internet” — email travels through the Internet (a lot of it, anyway), and “social media” tends to go through it was well. So you could just have said:
What do people want to do with computers?
(a) play games
(b) internet
(c) when necessary, work
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@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
They could have distinguished between apps you actually spent money on, and apps you got for free. Their current solution is confusing.
"Can I use your PC, honey?"
"Sure."
"Wait... what?! You bought Candy Crush Saga?!"
"Huh? No! Actually, let me explain..."
"Forget it. I can't live with someone who wastes money on such trash. Goodbye."Uh, Candy Crush is free. Owned status is just whether you've installed it on anything before.
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Zerosquare Yeah if someone gets that uppity over your game choices it's best that they fuck off.
I hate candy crush and all the assholes that play it but I'll defend their right to do so. Fuck the haters.
Eh, there's some cases where that makes sense. If someone spends a lot of money on Game of War: Fire Age for instance, then maybe they are not so financially responsible.
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@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
GODDAMMIT DISNEY MAGIC KINGDOMS! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO KILL YOU BEFORE YOU STAY DEAD?
Our system administrator managed to get rid of that one (and all the other games) when creating the custom installation image. I believe he mentioned that customised installation image is the only way to avoid them reliably.
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@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Since they had a small budget and didn't use their computer for much more than web browsing, email, and word processing
I decided some time ago that the correct device for that kind of purpose is a Chromebook. They are a bit more expensive than the cheapest Windows ones, but they have unparalleled battery life (because they use basically mobile boards with normal laptop battery), require zero maintenance and Google Docs and/or Office Online are good enough for most people (and should be free, though the web is just plain Confusing™).
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Zerosquare Yeah if someone gets that uppity over your game choices it's best that they fuck off.
I hate candy crush and all the assholes that play it but I'll defend their right to do so. Fuck the haters.
Eh, there's some cases where that makes sense. If someone spends a lot of money on Game of War: Fire Age for instance, then maybe they are not so financially responsible.
This person speaks the truth. That game is the epitome of Pay To Win. You can sort of get started with just a download, but it almost immediately becomes apparent that if you don't spend money, you'll be able to develop your city that far and no further, and you will be just strong enough that people will bother to splatter you just for the lulz. And also that there are many people who have and will sunk a huge amount of money into it.(1)
(1) It's probably worth mentioning the case of someone who had embezzled a seven-figure pile of money from their employer, and had spent a MILLION dollars of the pile on GoW:FA.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Owned status is just whether you've installed it on anything before.
Yes, but the way MS presents it is that you've bought it. I've never spent any money on a store app - yet everything in my library is "purchased".
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@hungrier Well that'll teach me. I just got the 1803 update on my work PC and got a notification about this:
It's not Candy Crush or whatever, but I didn't ask for it, and based on the reviews neither did anyone else.
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@hungrier That rating though!
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@stillwater Most of the reviews are one star and of the form "I don't want it, no way to uninstall, not even my region or language"
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@hungrier The reviews are hilarious. But yeah at least this is one of the more harmless stuff that get downloaded automagically.
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@Steve_The_Cynic I hear some centuries you could hope for strangulation prior to immolation.
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@pie_flavor Self-owned status is determined by your hours of play.
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@hungrier said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@hungrier Well that'll teach me. I just got the 1803 update on my work PC
Is that why Microsoft moved away from using years as public-facing version numbers? “Now we’re only 215 years behind the times!”
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@Gurth
More that years weren't fine grained enough for their hipster new release schedule, so they had to convert to YYMM.
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@izzion psh monthly nice try gram gram
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@izzion said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Gurth
More that years weren't fine grained enough for their hipster new release schedule, so they had to convert to YYMM.The number indicates it’s the March 2018 update? I figured it was just some kind of sequential number that only really makes sense internally in whatever part of Microsoft is responsible for it, like “Version 11.1 (13605.1.33.1.2)” that my browser claims to be.
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@Gurth
Yup, for Windows 10 Feature Updates, they've been doing them every ~6 months and indicating YYMM for the RTM date of the feature update.Although for the March 2018 update, they ran into a showstopper between naming/announcement and release, so it released in April 2018.
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@Gurth said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@izzion said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Gurth
More that years weren't fine grained enough for their hipster new release schedule, so they had to convert to YYMM.The number indicates it’s the March 2018 update? I figured it was just some kind of sequential number that only really makes sense internally in whatever part of Microsoft is responsible for it, like “Version 11.1 (13605.1.33.1.2)” that my browser claims to be.
Fake edit (cause it was in the search results):
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Zerosquare Yeah if someone gets that uppity over your game choices it's best that they fuck off.
I hate candy crush and all the assholes that play it but I'll defend their right to do so. Fuck the haters.
Eh, there's some cases where that makes sense. If someone spends a lot of money on Game of War: Fire Age for instance, then maybe they are not so financially responsible.
This person speaks the truth. That game is the epitome of Pay To Win. You can sort of get started with just a download, but it almost immediately becomes apparent that if you don't spend money, you'll be able to develop your city that far and no further, and you will be just strong enough that people will bother to splatter you just for the lulz. And also that there are many people who have and will sunk a huge amount of money into it.(1)
(1) It's probably worth mentioning the case of someone who had embezzled a seven-figure pile of money from their employer, and had spent a MILLION dollars of the pile on GoW:FA.
But not that game.
It's taken over three years, but I'm basically at the point where, unless they re-run exclusive events, I can't get any further.
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@Gribnit Post-Mortem Communicators.
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@CarrieVS Ah right, nothing at all to do with ne
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I have seen Windows 10 reinstall an uninstalled app, but not for a long time. It was probably within the first year of availability.
I have also seen it re-enable the touchscreen on my laptop, which I disabled intentionally because I never used it. It does this after every major update.
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@topspin said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Isn't there an option to disable installing "recommended" apps?
It's ironic, since for many years Microsoft complained that OEMs ruined the out of the box windows experience by installing loads of crapware.Anyways, this sounds malicious enough that they can probably counter all tricks to defeat this, but it might be worth a try:
Deleteshitegame.exe
, replace it with a folder namedshitegame.exe
, put something in it so it's not empty, and for good measure set the ACLs to deny all / deny system.Can you convince your antivirus that it's a bad thing that needs to be deleted whenever it sees it?
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@boomzilla said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Of course, maybe you have stuff from there that you actually want.
Does anyone actually use the MS Store?
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra Nope. Because those apps are baked into the recovery files. Hence why a complete from-scratch external reinstall of Windows would fix it.
Again, people searching for something to complain about. Don't like the apps your OEM preinstalls? Don't get it from that OEM. This is like saying Android sucks because of TouchWiz.You are not listening. They are talking about shit that MS installs, not an OEM.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because those apps are baked into the recovery files.
Candy crush is "baked" into the recovery files? Holy fuck that sounds terrible and backwards and wrong!
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Don't like the apps your OEM preinstalls? Don't get it from that OEM.
So, in other words, don't get Microsoft from Microsoft? Because this is what happens on my MSDN-sourced ISOs.
Microsoft's pure Windows install does come with its own bloatware. But if you uninstall it, it stays uninstalled.
Not always.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Yeah, but you think is good, so you can be dismissed as a
n outliernutjob.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because of fucking course you do.
OK, so you are one of the rare few.
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@Polygeekery said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Does anyone actually use the MS Store?
If they would have done that store 15~20 years ago, I'm sure it would have been a success.
A package manager build in the OS, what a great innovatioin
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@Polygeekery said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@boomzilla said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Of course, maybe you have stuff from there that you actually want.
Does anyone actually use the MS Store?
@Polygeekery I used it to get Slack, Spotify, Netflix, Kindle reader, … and it's the only way to get apps for my aging Windows Phone.
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@Polygeekery said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@boomzilla said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Of course, maybe you have stuff from there that you actually want.
Does anyone actually use the MS Store?
My son likes to find free games on there.
My son likes to find free games on there.
My son likes to find free games on there.
My son likes to find free games on there.
My son likes to find free games on there.
My son likes to find free games on there.
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@Polygeekery said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because of fucking course you do.
OK, so you are one of the rare few.
The vast majority of Win10 users use it. Only people who actively avoid it don't use it, a category mostly filled by curmudgeonly computer people who don't like change. There's even an OS mode where all you can use is Win10 apps.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
There's even an OS mode where all you can use is Win10 apps.
Where's this? How do I switch it on?
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
The vast majority of Win10 users use it.
You're going to have to back that up with some evidence. And no, automatically "purchased" bloatware crap like Candy Crush Saga does not count towards people "using" the Store.
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
There's even an OS mode where all you can use is Win10 apps.
Where's this? How do I switch it on?
It's called Windows 10S, s being short for "stupid".
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@Deadfast said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
The vast majority of Win10 users use it.
You're going to have to back that up with some evidence. And no, automatically "purchased" bloatware crap like Candy Crush Saga does not count towards people "using" the Store.
For marketing statistics it does.
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
There's even an OS mode where all you can use is Win10 apps.
Where's this? How do I switch it on?
Citation needed. I use nothing but win 10 and I've never ever needed the store for anything.
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@DCoder said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Polygeekery said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@boomzilla said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Of course, maybe you have stuff from there that you actually want.
Does anyone actually use the MS Store?
@Polygeekery I used it to get Slack, Spotify, Netflix, Kindle reader, … and it's the only way to get apps for my aging Windows Phone.
Surface?
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@Polygeekery Desktop PC, a Surface-like tablet, and the aforealludedto Windows Phone.
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
There's even an OS mode where all you can use is Win10 apps.
Where's this? How do I switch it on?
Citation needed. I use nothing but win 10 and I've never ever needed the store for anything.
And you fit in that category I mentioned.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
There's even an OS mode where all you can use is Win10 apps.
Where's this? How do I switch it on?
Citation needed. I use nothing but win 10 and I've never ever needed the store for anything.
And you fit in that category I mentioned.
I don't think that has anything to do with not using the store, at least for me. I'd like to know what normal users use the store for. Most stuff is available on the web and office comes pre installed so what apps are these users getting. I'd be happy to use the store if it helps me get cool stuff.
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@stillwater The store does in fact let you get cool stuff. Stuff you'd expect there to be a mobile app for, in app form, but for your computer. For example the native Netflix app lets you download shows, just like mobile apps. It's also where you get more distros for the Linux Subsystem or extensions for Edge. I personally have installed Netflix, Soundcloud, Spotify, Speedtest, Uber, Lyft, Audible, Minecraft, and XAML Controls Gallery.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Stuff you'd expect there to be a mobile app for, in app form, but for your computer. For example the native Netflix app lets you download shows, just like mobile apps
I don't get this. What advantages does downloading the app offer over the web version of it? What problems does the app solve that the web version have? I've been using the web version forever. Why would I get an app for something I can get in the browser?
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@stillwater I just said. You can download movies and shows. You can't do that in the browser version, only in the app version.
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@pie_flavor TIL. Might come in handy sometimes.
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I'll probably regret entering this discussion, but why is it a good idea to require people to log in somewhere even to install a free app? Besides, people have been installing paid software without logging in anywhere for years. Which user's problem does it solve? Why should I log in to someone else's computer to install programs on mine?
Also, I don't see Origin (that is, the one by OriginLab) or Matlab (or Gnuplot, QtGrace, Octave and R if that's what rows your boat) in Microsoft Store, not to mention the niche software required to drive our ICCD camera that's not even produced anymore, so I never needed the Store, either.