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@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@atazhaia said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Imagine how fun the GPDR is for me, who is living in the EU and due to my work have to deal with personal data, including about children. Although I guess the only outcome is that it will be stricter about how we can store personally identifyable information with no real change otherwise.
Ooh that means you have to make your privacy policy accessible to children!
Say, did you get Dora the Explorer to narrate it yet?
Thankfully, children in this case are 15+ years old, so I don't need to get the Dora the Explorer narration. :P (Hopefully...)
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@polygeekery said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you doing business inside the EU? Then you have to abide by the corresponding regulations. Are you not doing business where EU laws applies? Then those laws don't applyWhat about sites that don't want to do business in the EU but people from the EU visit them? Like this one?
That, again, depends on if you have any business presence in the EU. If you're a simple mom-and-pop shop operating entirely inside the US and have never heard about this, you're not under EU jurisdiction.
I might visit your site and, so everyone claims, supposedly bring you to court over it. But then what, you receive a letter from a court outside your jurisdiction? You throw it in the trash bin, end of story.Of course, if you're an internationally operating corporation, things are different. But then you better follow the law, that's not surprising.
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@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
I might visit your site and, so everyone claims, supposedly bring you to court over it. But then what, you receive a letter from a court outside your jurisdiction? You throw it in the trash bin, end of story.
Then a few years later I decide to take the kids to Italy for vacation and end up in prison.
Outside of jurisdiction does not mean free from consequences.
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@atazhaia on that note, if we're tailoring our privacy policies to children, what kind of child should it be written for? What is
AVG(child)
, anyway?Maybe it should be written for the lowest common denominator. Good luck trying to explain data collection and processing to someone who doesn't understand object permanence...
@Polygeekery that's a little extreme, but the scary part is it could actually happen
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@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@Polygeekery that's a little extreme, but the scary part is it
couldprobably actually happenedTTFY
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@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@Polygeekery that's a little extreme, but the scary part is it could actually happen
It absolutely could, and probably will, happen. If you blow off a summons from Europe you will be fine until you land in the EU. If you have a failure to appear linked to your name and your passport doesn't raise some red flags then the EU has more serious security problems than I thought.
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@kt_ said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Not for software.
What things are taxable on import and at what rate varies from country to country. The EU sets the minimum level for the majority of goods and services, but there's ever so many exemptions too. (I hate direct-importing stuff from the US because of all that hassle.)
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@polygeekery
Except for the fact that it doesn't work like that ... GDPR is not sanctioned by criminal courts.
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@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@atazhaia on that note, if we're tailoring our privacy policies to children, what kind of child should it be written for? What is
AVG(child)
, anyway?Maybe it should be written for the lowest common denominator. Good luck trying to explain data collection and processing to someone who doesn't understand object permanence...
@Polygeekery that's a little extreme, but the scary part is it could actually happen
Ok, the Dora-version was a cute joke but how does consent usually work for minors? Don't you have a statement somewhere in the privacy policy saying that you're old enough to consent with it or you are a legal guardian of the minor who wants to sign up?
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@luhmann said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@polygeekery
Except for the fact that it doesn't work like that ... GDPR is not sanctioned by criminal courts.Then why does anyone comply with them? If you can thumb your nose at the court without consequence then why bother?
To clarify, I never said that violating it would be a criminal offense. I assumed that failure to appear in court would be. Or failure to comply with a (default) judgment. Or whatever.
Point being that yes, you can pitch the summons in the bin if you want because you are outside of EU court jurisdictions. But what happens when you go inside of their jurisdiction? Now you have consequences.
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@polygeekery
My point is that it is very unlikely... in the range of me getting arrested in Italy or Portugal for those open parking tickets, but really how can I pay a fine if it is totally unclear how. So yes your mom and pop store could be found in offence and fined a massive fine and an international arrest could be drafted and executed when they enter EU or Timbuktu but let's keep it rooted in reality, no?
The process will look more like the EU anti-trust investigations then an US court.
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@luhmann said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
but really how can I pay a fine if it is totally unclear how.
I have never known laws or courts to worry about such trivialities. They leave that detail to those the charges are levied against.
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@luhmann said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
let's keep it rooted in reality, no?
We're talking about EU. The guys who tried to make publishing photos of buildings illegal.
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@luhmann said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
The process will look more like the EU anti-trust investigations then an US court.
That's not really going to make any Americans in the crowd feel better, considering how fucking corrupt and self-serving those are.
"Our continent is too incompetent to produce software, so let's just sue this other continent that does." Pathetic.
Jesus. Even the Chinese are trying to build their own OS.
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@blakeyrat You mean the fines enacted because businesses like Microsoft, Uber, and co feel it's good business practice to break the law?
Apparently those fines are not yet high enough if breaking the law continues to provide a competitive advantage.And let's not forget that it was the US courts that were this close to breaking Microsoft in two in the anti trust case.
Complaining about the anti trust suits and that there's no competition in the same post is beyond ridiculous.
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@topspin Microsoft was breaking the law when they shipped Windows Media Player with the OS? Bullshit.
I mean you're technically correct, but only because the EU changed the law after Microsoft had been shipping it for years. Which is utter bullshit.
But at least the Windows N edition sold millions of cop-- oh it was just a huge waste of time for everybody involved? Damn.
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
And let's not forget that it was the US courts that were this close to breaking Microsoft in two in the anti trust case.
That's not even close to true.
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Complaining about the anti trust suits and that there's no competition in the same post is beyond ridiculous.
I love competition. I love fair competition. If the EU wants to compete with Microsoft, well, then get your asses in gear and make your own OS and do it. You guys kind of managed to compete with Boeing by doing the Airbus thing, even though Boeing's products are still far superior, but the point is: you've done it in aerospace, why not in software?
Going to the courts and using the legal system to "punish" Microsoft because no company in the EU is competent enough to make software that doesn't suck, that's not competition. That's shit. Because guess what? Right now, a decade after that bullshit, there's still no competition, because there are still no EU companies competent enough to create and market an OS because the EU is fucking terrible at all technology apparently. It's fucking pathetic.
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@blakeyrat Why bother? There are enough US companies desperate to access the lucrative EU market; they're just pissed we have to be treated better than the local suckers.
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@blakeyrat said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Going to the courts and using the legal system to "punish" Microsoft because no company in the EU is competent enough to make software that doesn't suck, that's not competition.
To be fair, Windows has no competition in the EU or outside.
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@blakeyrat said:
You guys kind of managed to compete with Boeing by doing the Airbus thing, even though Boeing's products are still far superior, but the point is: you've done it in aerospace, why not in software?
Too bad Boeing ain't as good as Bombardier
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@polygeekery
Just get a passport with a Muslim last name and don’t shave for a few days, you’ll get in with no problems.
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@blakeyrat said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
You guys kind of managed to compete with Boeing by doing the Airbus thing, even though Boeing's products are still far superior, but the point is: you've done it in aerospace, why not in software?
You don't have to rebuild the whole airport when you switch from Boeing to Airbus.
That said, the WMP thing was just a circus show to divert attention from real issues and to make MEPs feel like they do something.
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@izzion said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@polygeekery
Just get a passport with a Muslim last name and don’t shave for a few days, you’ll get in with no problems.That's not a bad idea. Hell, they will give me a place to stay and pocket money and if anyone criticizes me I can have them thrown in jail.
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@blakeyrat said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
And let's not forget that it was the US courts that were this close to breaking Microsoft in two in the anti trust case.
That's not even close to true.
Did Microsoft acquire a license to that reality distortion field after Jobs' demise?
Let's check Wikipedia for some history:On June 7, 2000, the court ordered a breakup of Microsoft as its "remedy". According to that judgment, Microsoft would have to be broken into two separate units, one to produce the operating system, and one to produce other software components.
@blakeyrat said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Going to the courts and using the legal system to "punish" Microsoft because no company in the EU is competent enough to make software that doesn't suck, that's not competition. That's shit.
This must be the what happened simply because you say it is?
Then the US anti-trust case was probably also purely based on, umm, the US "using the legal system to 'punish' Microsoft because no company in theEUUS is competent enough to make software that doesn't suck"? Wait, that doesn't make sense.
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@polygeekery said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you doing business inside the EU? Then you have to abide by the corresponding regulations. Are you not doing business where EU laws applies? Then those laws don't applyWhat about sites that don't want to do business in the EU but people from the EU visit them? Like this one?
I remember I had to select a "social" tool for use on the intranet/extranet of a European client of mine. Discourse was on the shortlist but Atwood made it very clear he gave fuck all about European law. So Discourse was removed from the shortlist and another product won the bid. Nobody lost, not Atwood (he didn't want to invest in being EU compliant) and especially not my client who got a decent tool installed instead.
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@bjolling Discourse is a decent tool though.
inb4 'you're an indecent tool'
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@pie_flavor said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@bjolling Discourse is a decent tool though.
inb4 'you're an indecent tool'
Sure, it's a decent tool*... now it just needs a decent forum and a decent bug tracker...
*for stress-testing servers and mobile browsers
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@boomzilla said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@lorne-kates said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@gąska said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@pjh said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Trolleybus Garage seen by registered users only?
Do you really think our toxicity is limited to the Garbage you shit-sucking cockhole. I hope you get raped by a stuffed gorilla.
Prepare to be scolded by a German.
That German can go Rindfleischetikettierungsueberwachungsaufgabenuebertragungsgesetz himself.
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@lorne-kates said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
That German can go Rindfleischetikettierungs
ueüberwachungsaufgabenueübertragungsgesetz himself.That's cheating, it's actually two letters shorter.
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@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@lorne-kates said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
That German can go Rindfleischetikettierungs
ueüberwachungsaufgabenueübertragungsgesetz himself.That's cheating, it's actually two letters shorter.
Spelling without umlauts is valid.
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@mikehurley said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@lorne-kates said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
That German can go Rindfleischetikettierungs
ueüberwachungsaufgabenueübertragungsgesetz himself.That's cheating, it's actually two letters shorter.
Spelling without umlauts is valid.
And preferred. Keep your crazy eurocharacters on the other side of the pond.
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@polygeekery said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
other side of the pond.
Ünïtęd Kîngdøm?
They don't accent that good so they had to leave ...
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@mikehurley said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Spelling without umlauts is valid.
No, it's only acceptable as a workaround if correct spelling is not technically possible.
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@luhmann said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@polygeekery said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
other side of the pond.
Ünïtęd Kîngdøüm?
They don't accent that good so they had to leave ...
tsk tsk tsk
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@dcon said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@gąska said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@blakeyrat said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@gąska said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Have you ever seen cookie usage notification?
Like 800 times a day, thanks Europe for making everything online just a little bit shittier.
At least I have 150Mbps for $15/month.
Damn euroweenies. Yeah, flip those 2 numbers and that's life in the US...
I dunno about that. I get 1000Mbps for about $70 a month, so even cheaper (per Mb)
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@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@mikehurley said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Spelling without umlauts is valid.
No, it's only acceptable as a workaround if correct spelling is not technically possible.
So it's not preferred, but still valid. I (maybe wrongly) assume German speakers do it a lot online out of laziness. Similar to my online laziness where I generally don't capitalize or use apostrophes when doing IM type conversations.
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@mikehurley said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
I (maybe wrongly) assume German speakers do it a lot online out of laziness
German speakers may have separate buttons for each ü, ö & ä (i.e., it's not a combined thing), so other than being a bit more out-of-way than the ordinary buttons, it's not that much more effort.
It's not the worst thing about the german keyboard layout (that particular honour is reserved for them being qwertz).
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@cvi said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
German speakers may have separate buttons for each ü, ö & ä
Not may, do. The umlaut characters are where you'd normally find
;
,'
, and[
on a US-EN keyboard layout.(Technically calling it "Ctrl + Alt" is wrong; it's actually AltGr, which has the same exact scancode as the right Alt key. Not all keyboards have a right Alt key, so Windows uses Ctrl+Alt as a shortcut key combination for AltGr. And typical keyboards that I've seen just have normal Ctrl and Alt keys, with the sole difference being that the right Alt key has an AltGr keycap.)
edit: also, the
^
,`
, and´
keys are letter modifiers, so by default they're going to attach themselves to the next key you type. To type the character itself, you have to type it followed by a space.@cvi said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
It's not the worst thing about the german keyboard layout (that particular honour is reserved for them being qwertz).
No, the worst thing is the location of the
{[]}
symbols.
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@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Too bad Boeing ain't as good as Bombardier
careful now, that trolley will probably take a few more years to get delivered
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@anotherusername said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
No, the worst thing is the location of the
{[]}
symbols.Combine the fact that Apple puts them in an even worse position* because they're with them not even printing the characters on the fucking keyboard and you got a really
shittyApple programming experience. Of course, I'd never need to look at the keys if they were in the right position in the first place.* I can type AltGr-8 with one hand, but there's no way I can do that with AltGr-5. Never mind muscle memory telling me that's not where it's supposed to be.
Edit: And they make me press AltGr-Shift-7 for backspace, which is infinitely worse than on a standard German keyboard.
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@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
And they make me press AltGr-Shift-7 for backspace
Wait, what?
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@bb36e said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Too bad Boeing ain't as good as Bombardier
careful now, that trolley will probably take a few more years to get delivered
Just ask BART.
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@anotherusername said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Not may, do.
I was alluding to the fact that German speakers may have non-german keyboards. ;-)
Quite a few of the german people that work with computers that I know prefer the US layout, and have keyboards with the US layout.
No, the worst thing is the location of the {[]} symbols.
Meh. I may be TRWTF in this instance, but I prefer the Swedish keyboard layout personally. Yes, the {[]} symbols require some finger gymnastics. And, yes, as somebody who mainly programs C++, I use those fairly frequently.
We all have our flaws.
@topspin said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Apple
Oh. Yeah. Those. Apple's special snowflake keyboard layouts are sufficient reason to avoid the brand (it's not the only reason, though -- it's not even the only sufficient reason). At least you can plug in a normal keyboard and use some random third-party software to fix up the layouts (at least you could a few years ago; knowing Apple, they might have fixed that loophole by now).
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Apple keyboards
I don't even know why Apple bothers with any of the (silly and wrong) non-US keyboard layouts. Ever since classic Mac OS the option key combos would give you a pretty intuitive way to write whatever fancy and/or international characters you wanted.
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@anotherusername said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Wait, what?
Yeah, guess how long it took me to figure that one out. .
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@baris was once telling me about the Turkish keyboard layout... and how it's not-so-friendly for programmers, check out where { and } sit:
... lovely right-hand contortions required.
Also unless I'm blind there's no $ though back then he says he was programming in C, so that didn't matter a much I suppose.
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@hungrier said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
Ever since classic Mac OS the option key combos would give you a pretty intuitive way to write whatever fancy and/or international characters you wanted.
Yeah one of the things I miss about it is like:
Option-E E = é
Option-E (any character) = (that character with an acute accent)
Option-N N = ñetc.
The Mac Classic keyboard was brilliant. IBM has done the world a huge disservice by never once rationalizing the IBM PC keyboard layouts, and Microsoft missed a huge opportunity to fix some of this moronicy when they added the Start and Context Menu buttons but failed. It's not like Apple had some kind of super-genius powers, it's just that they started from scratch in 1984 and actually spent time thinking this shit out. IBM's and Microsoft's philosophy by contrast was "we've always done it this way".
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@topspin I know that really old Apples were shit-tarded about not having Backspace, but I was under the impression that it was something fairly easy and discoverable, like Shift+⌦ or ⌘+⌦...
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@julianlam said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
@baris was once telling me about the Turkish keyboard layout... and how it's not-so-friendly for programmers, check out where { and } sit:
... lovely right-hand contortions required.
Also unless I'm blind there's no $ though back then he says he was programming in C, so that didn't matter a much I suppose.
German layout is the same way... I posted it about a dozen posts back.
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@anotherusername said in Delete my what.thedailywtf.com profile:
I know that really old Apples were shit-tarded about not having Backspace,
Old Apples only had Backspace. (The key was labeled "delete" but the action it performed was what a IBM PC of the time would call "backspace".) Mac Classic didn't have "delete forward" (what an IBM PC calls just "delete") until way into the era when they tried making their keyboards more DOS compatible, in the mid/late 90s.
I'm sure there was some key combo to perform a "delete forward" but I don't know what it was.
I mean I've been using Windows for decades and I've used delete forward like... 5 times? Maybe? 99.999% of the time what I want is Backspace. Apple made the right call.