Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish
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So the update happened...
Since then this asswipe piece of shit OS, known as Windows 10, does some weird things when starting up. Today, without logging in, I heard YouTube playing from my computer. After entering my password I was greeted with the browser playing a YT video. Turns out Windows decided to quietly log me even without even telling me.Also now I don't know where I finished watching this video the last time.
And to add insult to injury, for some reason my monitor is switched to power saving mode as soon as the OS starts.
So that is the startup sheep sodomizing fuckery, but let's go to shutting down. Simply put - it doesn't. Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is to reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
I really hope the person who greenlit this donkey turd of an update gets broomraped, first anally, then orally.
I'm a bit discontent.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Today, without logging in, I heard YouTube playing from my computer.
That's not really new. It happened to me several times before after I put my laptop to sleep instead of shutting it down. My guess is that it tries to load as much stuff as possible, as soon as possible so you can be amazed with the speed it wakes from sleep
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is the reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
<Windows-apologist.png>: Don't blame Windows for your faulty hardware (Because Windows 10 is the-best-OS-in-the-universe)
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See that checkbox I circled? You probably have that checked. Uncheck it to stop the auto log in.
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@brisingraerowing That's only after a major update.
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@rhywden said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@brisingraerowing That's only after a major update.
It happens for all reboots and shutdowns as of build 16251. You can find the complaints about it in the Feedback Hub if you search for "restart applications".
(Edit: bah, my timeline is all messed up.)
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@brisingraerowing That's different. Is that an Insider build? Or am I different because Enterprise... (I'm on 16299)
Clicking sign-in options takes me to the Signin options (scroll/scroll)
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@brisingraerowing said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
See that checkbox I circled? You probably have that checked. Uncheck it to stop the auto log in.
Funny, I don't have that checkbox.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background).
This is the weirdest thing I've ever heard of. It's never happened to me or anyone I know and from some quick Googling I did I could only find one person who experienced this and it's because they're dual booting with linux (which doesn't really explain anything). Dos it really just log you out or does it restart first?
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Funny, I don't have that checkbox.
That screenshot is of an older version of Windows. Scroll a couple posts down.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Turns out Windows decided to quietly log me even without even telling me.
Log you in? Out? Up? Down?
Just FYI, you never had to be (interactively) logged-in for Chrome to play stuff. Windows just doesn't work that way. Although it is kind of interesting that your desktop has control of the speakers even with the login desktop has control of the monitor.
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Also now I don't know where I finished watching this video the last time.
Next time pause it?
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
And to add insult to injury, for some reason my monitor is switched to power saving mode as soon an the OS starts.
So that is the startup sheep sodomizing fuckery, but let's go to shutting down. Simply put - it doesn't. Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is the reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.Ok that shit's fucked.
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@lb_ if you mean this one:
@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@brisingraerowing That's different. Is that an Insider build? Or am I different because Enterprise... (I'm on 16299)
Clicking sign-in options takes me to the Signin options (scroll/scroll)
I don't see that either.
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@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@brisingraerowing That's different. Is that an Insider build? Or am I different because Enterprise... (I'm on 16299)
It also changed in 16251. (Yours is current, @BrisingrAerowing's is the older version.)
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I don't see that either.
That's the one I have and I'm on Windows 10.0.16299.64
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@lb_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I don't see that either.
That's the one I have and I'm on Windows 10.0.16299.64
Oh, that's so old now.
>ver Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.16299.98]
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@blakeyrat said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Just FYI, you never had to be (interactively) logged-in for Chrome to play stuff. Windows just doesn't work that way. Although it is kind of interesting that your desktop has control of the speakers even with the login desktop has control of the monitor.
It's not only Chrome. I see other applications being already started when I log in, but I just assumed they manage to simply start fast. Now I know some bad voodoo is going on in the background.
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Also now I don't know where I finished watching this video the last time.
Next time pause it?
It was. Windows even managed to fuck me up more by unpausing it.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
It's not only Chrome. I see other applications being already started when I log in,
99% of the time when people say "log in" they really mean "computer woke from sleep".
You're already logged-in at that point, you're just unlocking your screen. So yeah, it makes perfect sense that your applications are running just the same way they were when you put the machine to sleep, that's how it's all supposed to work.
Like I said, the only mild surprise here is that applications not currently being displayed can play audio. But I can see a lot of use-cases where you'd want that behavior, so.
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@blakeyrat said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
It's not only Chrome. I see other applications being already started when I log in,
99% of the time when people say "log in" they really mean "computer woke from sleep".
You're already logged-in at that point, you're just unlocking your screen. So yeah, it makes perfect sense that your applications are running just the same way they were when you put the machine to sleep, that's how it's all supposed to work.
Like I said, the only mild surprise here is that applications not currently being displayed can play audio. But I can see a lot of use-cases where you'd want that behavior, so.
I don't put my system to sleep, so by "log in" I mean "log in".
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Windows even managed to fuck me up more by unpausing it.
Actually, Windows only restarted your device. Chrome decided it wanted to run at startup, Chrome decided to focus the tab that had the YouTube video, YouTube decided years ago that autoplaying videos should be the only option forever, and YouTube only refrains from autoplaying videos if the tab is not in focus when the page loads.
Next time enable this Chrome flag to make sure YouTube can't screw you over:
chrome://flags/#autoplay-policy
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@lb_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Windows even managed to fuck me up more by unpausing it.
Actually, Windows only restarted your device. Chrome decided it wanted to run at startup, Chrome decided to focus the tab that had the YouTube video, YouTube decided years ago that autoplaying videos should be the only option forever, and YouTube only refrains from autoplaying videos if the tab is not in focus when the page loads.
Next time enable this Chrome flag to make sure YouTube can't screw you over:
chrome://flags/#autoplay-policy
That might be it. Will try after next
shutdownreboot.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I don't put my system to sleep, so by "log in" I mean "log in".
Ok. Well that is a bit odd then.
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@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is the reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
<Windows-apologist.png>: Don't blame Windows for your faulty hardware (Because Windows 10 is the-best-OS-in-the-universe)
I hate defending Windows, but the fact is that 99% of hardware (and its drivers) is a buggy, dysfunctional piece of shit, and most of those weird computer problems come from it.
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@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is the reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
<Windows-apologist.png>: Don't blame Windows for your faulty hardware (Because Windows 10 is the-best-OS-in-the-universe)
I hate defending Windows, but the fact is that 99% of hardware (and its drivers) is a buggy, dysfunctional piece of shit, and most of those weird computer problems come from it.
Well, before the update, the OS somehow managed to shut down faster than science funding under Trump.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
That might be it. Will try after next
shutdownreboot.Which will happen any day now, whether you want it or not, with no notice at all.
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@undergroundcode BULLSHIT
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@neighborhoodbutcher Hardware bugs generally manifest when Windows makes a small (and allowable) change somewhere the system, so an update can cause things to break without it being the update's fault.
I'm not saying it's not Windows' fault, in this case it probably is, I'm saying it's far from trivial to determine that.
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
This would get companies to fix their shit fast (or sue Microsoft, even though it's demonstrably the truth). Bonus points if you show the company's phone number right in the message.
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I just had to disable fast-boot, again, though other than that it seems to work fine?
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Simply put - it doesn't. Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is to reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
Could you reword that so I know I have it correct? Because what I'm hearing you saying is that if you click Start, click the power icon, and click Shut Down, it simply locks the screen. Which is patently retarded.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Simply put - it doesn't. Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is to reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
Could you reword that so I know I have it correct? Because what I'm hearing you saying is that if you click Start, click the power icon, and click Shut Down, it simply locks the screen. Which is patently retarded.
It is, though usually that only happened on machines that don't actually support power state 5, and Windows thought you had merely immediately resumed. This is almost like that, but instead of merely locking it's supposedly logging out and then back in upon resume.
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@tsaukpaetra ah, in that case a
shutdown /s /t 0
should work "for real" for @NeighborhoodButcher then, correct?
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@lb_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra ah, in that case a
shutdown /s /t 0
should work "for real" for @NeighborhoodButcher then, correct?Possibly, though ever since "Fast Startup" I've only ever trusted rebooting to actually shut down the OS.
Edit: Which, he actually mentioned in the OP:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:The only way I can shut down my computer is to reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Which is patently retarded.
remind me which OS we're talking about in this thread?
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@tsaukpaetra But you can just disable it
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra But you can just disable it
Not everybody knows that, and that's besides the point.
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@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
And Nvidia will say it's Microsoft's fault.
Then what?
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@el_heffe said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
And Nvidia will say it's Microsoft's fault.
Then what?
Cat fight! With Mud!
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@el_heffe said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
And Nvidia will say it's Microsoft's fault.
Then what?
Cat fight! With Mud!
Does Nvidia have a kawaii mascot like the Windows-chan (if those are even a thing anymore)? If so, that might work. Otherwise, no one wants to see the stereotypical programmer mud-wrestle.
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@benjamin-hall said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@el_heffe said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
And Nvidia will say it's Microsoft's fault.
Then what?
Cat fight! With Mud!
Does Nvidia have a kawaii mascot like the Windows-chan (if those are even a thing anymore)? If so, that might work. Otherwise, no one wants to see the stereotypical programmer mud-wrestle.
Edit: Art mods r myne donut stealz
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10 still has them.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Simply put - it doesn't. Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is to reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
Could you reword that so I know I have it correct? Because what I'm hearing you saying is that if you click Start, click the power icon, and click Shut Down, it simply locks the screen. Which is patently retarded.
Actually, it's more bizarre. When I click "shutdown" the system attempts to shut down and even turns off all USB devices and the screen. Then, after a second, everything pops back to life and I'm back at the login screen. At that point, things get even more complicated:
- When I try to shut down/reboot from the login screen - it simply does nothing.
- When I log in and try to shut down - it logs me off and I'm back to the login screen.
- Only reboot after logging in works.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Simply put - it doesn't. Every time I want to shut down the computer, the OS switches to the login screen (and quietly logs me in, in the background). The only way I can shut down my computer is to reboot it and press the power button before Windows starts.
Could you reword that so I know I have it correct? Because what I'm hearing you saying is that if you click Start, click the power icon, and click Shut Down, it simply locks the screen. Which is patently retarded.
Actually, it's more bizarre. When I click "shutdown" the system attempts to shut down and even turns off all USB devices and the screen. Then, after a second, everything pops back to life and I'm back at the login screen. At that point, things get even more complicated:
- When I try to shut down/reboot from the login screen - it simply does nothing.
- When I log in and try to shut down - it logs me off and I'm back to the login screen.
- Only reboot after logging in works.
Good $deity at this point I'd consider a Refresh if I were you.
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@parody said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
It happens for all reboots and shutdowns as of build 16251. You can find the complaints about it in the Feedback Hub if you search for "restart applications".
Hah!
It seems permanently dead for me. Must be a conspiracy, I submitted too good feedback so I was banned :)
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Yeah, at this point I would suggest nuking and paving the OS disk. And then preferrably leaving something minty fresh in its place. Ofc, that may not be an option and Windows is needed. In that case refresh/reinstall. Although that wont unfuck the OS either. I love having to dig through the registry to disable the
useful featuresdisruptive advertisements that W10 is packed with. No, Windows, I don't want my HDD filled up with adware/crapware/freemium apps from the App Store that you think I need. Go fuck yourself.Also, if hibernation isn't needed I also make a point of disabling that. It frees up some HDD space and disables FastBoot all in one go! Otherwise, just disable FastBoot, because it's a pointless piece of shite feature only designed to make Windows look faster.
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Yeah, at this point I would suggest nuking and paving the OS disk. And then preferrably leaving something minty fresh in its place. Ofc, that may not be an option and Windows is needed. In that case refresh/reinstall. Although that wont unfuck the OS either.
Yeah, installing a Linux wouldn’t unfuck the OS, either. If anything, it would probably be even more of a clusterfuck.
Also, if hibernation isn't needed I also make a point of disabling that. It frees up some HDD space and disables FastBoot all in one go! Otherwise, just disable FastBoot, because it's a pointless piece of shite feature only designed to make Windows look faster.
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
pointless piece of shite feature only designed to make Windows look faster
Yeah, how dare they speed it up just to make it look faster. Next they'll be fixing bugs just so they can say it's more reliable!
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@jbert said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I just had to disable fast-boot, again, though other than that it seems to work fine?
Fast-boot is "semi-hibernate". It isn't a full hibernate (which is sleep with the memory saved to disk), but it is kinda half-way hibernate.
And this whole sorry episode sounds like they've changed the default from "shut down" to "sleep". That's stupid. (Look, I shut it down, now I can unplug it, zzzzzzap, all my applications have done weird things, and Excel thinks those three spreadsheets are open by another user who is ... me, and of course chkdsk spent three days groping the drive because the machine wasn't shut down properly and the files in question were on that old FAT32 disk - no journalling - in the corner. That kind of stupid.)
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
And to add insult to injury, for some reason my monitor is switched to power saving mode as soon as the OS starts.
I hate this too, here is a fix
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@jbert said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I just had to disable fast-boot, again, though other than that it seems to work fine?
Goddamnit, I should have known something was off when startup became much faster after upgrading. Thanks for reminding me
@steve_the_cynic said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Fast-boot is "semi-hibernate"
The thing that gets me is that the C drive isn't marked as "clean" or however it's done with a proper shutdown, so Linux won't touch the partition.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Actually, it's more bizarre. When I click "shutdown" the system attempts to shut down and even turns off all USB devices and the screen. Then, after a second, everything pops back to life and I'm back at the login screen. [...]
I had similar problem with win7 years ago. It was some faulty peripheral hardware, which was constantly nudging the os, so it though that user wants it to wake up.
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@jaloopa said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
pointless piece of shite feature only designed to make Windows look faster
Yeah, how dare they speed it up just to make it look faster. Next they'll be fixing bugs just so they can say it's more reliable!
No, he's right. This bug is not doing what people think it's doing and it leads to tears. It was not well thought out.
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@benjamin-hall said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@el_heffe said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
And Nvidia will say it's Microsoft's fault.
Then what?
Cat fight! With Mud!
Does Nvidia have a kawaii mascot like the Windows-chan (if those are even a thing anymore)? If so, that might work. Otherwise, no one wants to see the stereotypical programmer mud-wrestle.
I dunno...... I mean you're right about the 180kg programmer stereotype, but the 75kg programmers that you actually find in the dojo after work.... yeah that one would be worth watching. with popcorn..... and maybe joining them in the showers after......