Discussion of NodeBB Updates
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@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
No. You people are attacking ben and calling for him to step down and shit, HERE, IN THIS THREAD.
Has anyone actually called for him to step down? Or is this more finitions? Because I don't think I've seen anyone (except Ben himself, jokingly I assumed) suggesting that.
Polygeekery told him to do so.
I did not.
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
If people really want me to, I can step down as administrator. @PJH and @boomzilla have exactly the same access as I do.
After this incident, I would be OK with that. You shit the bed on this one.
That's somewhere in between
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@fbmac that is a vote of "no confidence". But, literally nowhere in there did I demand that Ben step down. Not by any normal person's definition. Also, I don't even have the power to make such calls.
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@Polygeekery It's not impossible to interpret that as Ben saying "should I step down?" and you saying "yes". It's not exactly telling him to step down but it's not entirely logic either.
I think the reaction to all this has been a bit OTT, TBH. It's quite a stretch to call voting history private information and I can't really think of any negative consequences that could come out of having one's downvotes exposed, especially since you could only see it per post, not per user.
Having said that, Ben's handling of the change was not great. Since this was a change that had already had some discussion, that should have been enough of a hint not to just turn it on unilaterally. People who talk about being OK with a hypothetical change can be expected to not be so cool with it when it actually happens. Some sort of announcement (not just buried in the updates topic that a lot of people don't read) with a few hours for people to weigh in would have been better. Then when there was resistance, rather than just saying "oops, misunderstanding", it should have been turned off pending discussion.
It's reminded me of the email verification from last week. No communication, just a change that resulted in some members having to verify despite having been using the forums for (in some cases) years. Then after some time of everyone wondering why some people were getting the prompt and not others, Ben comes in and explains that he enabled it and manually set a bunch of users as verified. Once again, an announcement to let us know what was about to happen would have reduced confusion and given us something to point other questioners at.
So, @ben_lubar, if you could consider letting people know about any future changes that will affect our use of the forum before doing it rather than after the questions start flying, that would do a lot to reduce the bad feeling.
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
It's quite a stretch to call voting history private information
Not at all. This is information that is known to the person who did it, and not known to the public. That's pretty much the definition of "private information."
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@masonwheeler ically, yes, but it's not information I can see needing protection. The length of my fingernails is technically private information in that nobody on this forum knows it about me, but it's very different to my real name
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@Jaloopa Meh. I've never really seen what the big deal about that is. I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
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@fbmac alt detected.
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@Polygeekery Not a fbmac'ing. He accidentally posted  information, then deleted it when I brought that to his attention.
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@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
It's quite a stretch to call voting history private information
Not at all. This is information that is known to the person who did it, and not known to the public. That's pretty much the definition of "private information."
"private information" but not "personally identifiable information"
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@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Jaloopa Meh. I've never really seen what the big deal about that is. I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd suggest that that's probably because you're pretty well-behaved, at least in most situations.
I'm sure you know why PII can be bad to make public in general. It's part of the reason the USA has HIPAA laws.
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@djls45 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I'd suggest that that's probably because you're pretty well-behaved, at least in most situations.
Why thank you!
HIPAA.
Yes, I actually know more about HIPAA than I ever cared to. (Back in the day, I used to work in a clinic that specialized in addiction recovery. The need to keep everything strictly private was drilled into all of us from day 1.)
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@djls45 you can't identify a person by their downvotes, so it's not PII
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@fbmac said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@djls45 you can't identify a person by their downvotes, so it's not PII
But, ironically, the main reason that I don't consider downvotes to be "private" is because it's relatively easy to identify a user by their downvotes. And when that's not so easy, if you're friends with boomzilla, you just ask him and he'll tell you who downvoted your post.
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@fbmac said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@djls45 you can't identify a person by their downvotes, so it's not PII
You also can't identify a person by their rantings, so that's not PII either.
The trouble comes when the account is doxxed and the real person behind the account becomes publicly attached to the information.
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@Fox Sometimes I downvote something and don't take part on the discussion, for random reasons.
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@fbmac said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Fox Sometimes I downvote something and don't take part on the discussion, for random reasons.
I think that's something of a rarity though.
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@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I think that's something of a rarity though.
I'd assume that most downvotes are from people who don't like a post but don't care enough to reply and get into an argument, not people who are also responding
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I think that's something of a rarity though.
I'd assume that most downvotes are from people who don't like a post but don't care enough to reply and get into an argument, not people who are also responding
Most downvotes outside of the garage, perhaps, but I think most downvotes are in fact in the garage and from people actively involved in the
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@Fox when I've posted stuff in garage posts, I tend to get more downvotes than responses, plus @Polygeekery explicitly telling me he's not one of the downvoters.
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@Jaloopa that would be a huge benefit to exposing the downvotes. I always feel bad when I am having a reasonable discussion with someone who has a differing viewpoint to mine and I see downvotes come in without anyone else chiming in. From their POV I assume they believe I am the one downvoting them.
That is annoying, and that is why I sent you that PM. Especially so seeing as how, IIRC, you were being super reasonable and we were having a good discussion and then you start getting downvoted and you are not even one who gets in to flamewars and loses their shit.
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I think that's something of a rarity though.
I'd assume that most downvotes are from people who don't like a post but don't care enough to reply and get into an argument, not people who are also responding
That's a good rule they have on slashdot: You can either moderate or engage in the conversation, and if you post, all your moderation is undone.
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
IIRC, you were being super reasonable and we were having a good discussion and then you start getting downvoted and you are not even one who gets in to flamewars and loses their shit
That's why I assumed it wasn't you. If I'm having an actual conversation with someone I would assume they'd respond rather than downvote. If people are calling me a retard I would pin them as more likely to be downvoting as well. Especially if I'm responding in kind.
When Fox gets in arguments, the personal attacks tend to start flying early on, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of his downvotes are from people he's also getting responses to.
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@heterodox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I assume to @flabdablet libertarians are styled like this:
Conservatives, too, or, more precisely, anyone who doesn't agree with him.
@fbmac said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Let's just lock the undesirables in concentration camps and force 'em to code in either Haskell or Ada.
TFY
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@antiquarian said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
force 'em to code in either Haskell or Ada
I like both of those languages. (Admittedly, I've never had to use them for production code.) Does that make me TRWTF?
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@asdf said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I like both of those languages. (Admittedly, I've never had to use them for production code.) Does that make me TRWTF?
It looks like what I posted wasn't evil enough. BRB:
@antiquarian said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Let's just lock the undesirables in concentration camps and force 'em to code in either Haskell or Ada using vim or Emacs instead of an IDE.
There, fixed.
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@antiquarian said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
There, fixed.
*shudder*
I can imagine something worse, though: Having to debug your compiler backend by stepping through the generated assembly in gdb on the command line. Whoever invented gdb's command syntax should be shot in the head. I think you could reasonably claim that this constitutes self-defense.
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
that would do a lot to reduce the bad feeling
Since when has anybody on this forum been the slightest bit concerned about reducing bad feelings?
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@flabdablet it softens you up for the next bout of bad feelings
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@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd be doing the same thing except that there are entirely too many Stephen Thomases. There's only one flabdablet AFAIK, and that's been my consistent online handle since 2001.
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@flabdablet Flagged for personal identifiable information
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@flabdablet Dear unnamed flagger: Self-doxxing is allowed. People can make their own risk assessments. Thanks.
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@flabdablet That would explain why you never anonymise your name in console copypastas
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@Yamikuronue but @flabdablet is a leftist, he expects the powers that be to make these decisions for him
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@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd be doing the same thing except that there are entirely too many Stephen Thomases. There's only one flabdablet AFAIK, and that's been my consistent online handle since 2001.
I was about to say that my name was almost completely unique in all of North America, but apparently another person with my exact same name and age moved to the outskirts of another major Texas city since the last time I checked.
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@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd be doing the same thing except that there are entirely too many Stephen Thomases. There's only one flabdablet AFAIK, and that's been my consistent online handle since 2001.
I was about to say that my name was almost completely unique in all of North America, but apparently another person with my exact same name and age as me moved to the outskirts of another major Texas city since the last time I checked.
Oh you, silly time-travel shenanigans I assume!
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@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd be doing the same thing except that there are entirely too many Stephen Thomases. There's only one flabdablet AFAIK, and that's been my consistent online handle since 2001.
Same for Tsaukpaetra.
@fbmac said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@flabdablet Flagged for personal identifiable information
Sorry?
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@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I was about to say that my name was almost completely unique in all of North America, but apparently another person with my exact same name and age moved to the outskirts of another major Texas city since the last time I checked.
Um...I'd suggest keeping an eye on your credit report, possibly locking it down with the bureaus.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I was about to say that my name was almost completely unique in all of North America, but apparently another person with my exact same name and age moved to the outskirts of another major Texas city since the last time I checked.
Um...I'd suggest keeping an eye on your credit report, possibly locking it down with the bureaus.
Yeah, I'm looking into it now.
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@Fox None of the random addresses associated with my name via WhitePages or other online databases is actually present in my credit report, so I'm not sure where they're getting those addresses. I put 90-day potential fraud alerts on my accounts with all 3 bureaus anyway.
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@Fox said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd be doing the same thing except that there are entirely too many Stephen Thomases. There's only one flabdablet AFAIK, and that's been my consistent online handle since 2001.
I was about to say that my name was almost completely unique in all of North America, but apparently another person with my exact same name and age moved to the outskirts of another major Texas city since the last time I checked.
That... is a whole new level of trolling!
Are you sure it wasn't you so you could vote twice?
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@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Jaloopa Meh. I've never really seen what the big deal about that is. I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
200 pizzas to Mason Wheeler's place, stat!
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@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
that would do a lot to reduce the bad feeling
Since when has anybody on this forum been the slightest bit concerned about reducing bad feelings?
Go fuck a cactus.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
that would do a lot to reduce the bad feeling
Since when has anybody on this forum been the slightest bit concerned about reducing bad feelings?
Go fuck a cactus.
He said "reducing bad feelings" not "increasing the good ones"...geez.
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@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
Update scheduled for 04:00 UTC.
There are no server-side code changes. The update includes some CSS changes for Mafia and a light gray background for fa- emoji on dark themes.
and removing the "April fools joke"?
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@accalia said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
Update scheduled for 04:00 UTC.
There are no server-side code changes. The update includes some CSS changes for Mafia and a light gray background for fa- emoji on dark themes.
and removing the "April fools joke"?
Is it still April 1th?
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@accalia said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
Update scheduled for 04:00 UTC.
There are no server-side code changes. The update includes some CSS changes for Mafia and a light gray background for fa- emoji on dark themes.
and removing the "April fools joke"?
Is it still April 1th?
was it a joke?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@flabdablet said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@masonwheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I've been going by my real name online for almost 20 years now, and never got in any trouble for it.
I'd be doing the same thing except that there are entirely too many Stephen Thomases. There's only one flabdablet AFAIK, and that's been my consistent online handle since 2001.
Same for Tsaukpaetra.
I don't have a consistent online handle besides my real name, which I am nearly certain (~99.9999999866576%) is absolutely unique. Not many people have three given names. I don't really care too much about doxxing myself, but I don't want to make it too easy.