I HATE DESIGNERS
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Boss has insisted on bringing in a fucking designer into the loop on our rush job project. AGAIN.
Apparently, he had given some old terribly designed app a fresh coat of paint, and the client was thrilled. It was a great success. So now our new app also needs a fresh coat of paint, RIGHT NOW, while it's still being hastily developed and all features are in flux. Because that's exactly what I need on top of managing 2 other people and stupid business drones and crazy deadlines and all sorts of other crap. A stupid artiste idiot on my back. Great.
Anyway, the designer has now spoken with Boss, gone through the half-broken demo version of the app and produced first images of her WIP masterpiece. Of course, it looks like bootstrap swatch / theme we could have bought or shat out ourselves, but whatever.At least she didn't go graphics crazy.
Me: Please be mindful to include all the bootstrap flavor colors in your design. I can already tell
danger
red will clash with your picturesDesigner: Well, the company colors are red, that's what they asked, there's nothing I can do! ... Well, it's not the same red anyway!
Me: Yes, but part of your job is to incorporate all needed colors into your design, as we are making an application and not a picture (that last part might have been a snide voice in my head)
Designer: Well, I can't fit them in to look nice! What will be, will be. Nothing I can do.
She's talking like that, btw, everything she says starts with a snide condescending "Well...". On the phone too, she really sounds like she thinks everyone but her are idiots. Ugh!
I HATE DESIGNERS!
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@cartman82 said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
Me: Please be mindful to include all the bootstrap flavor colors in your design. I can already tell danger red will clash with your pictures
Designer: Well, the company colors are red, that's what they asked, there's nothing I can do! ... Well, it's not the same red anyway!It's things like that that make me glad our company colours don't include red.
They do include hot pink though.
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I've just yelled at a colleague who was asking a perfectly reasonable question.
Designers really REALLY piss me off.
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@cartman82 He'll likely forgive you once you explain the situation.
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@cartman82 I wonder why the designer not counteroffer something like text-shadow CSS property?
And btw, with developer toolbars in all major browsers, experimenting quick CSS class overrides as final touch ought to be easy. I'd worry little about it.
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@cheong With a designer? Not from personal experience, but wouldn't they use photoshop as their only tool, and complain if the end product differed from
theirthe customer's vision?
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@cartman82 said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
I've just yelled at a colleague who was asking a perfectly reasonable question.
Designers really REALLY piss me off.
Do you hate all designers, or do you just hate stupid people? Cause not all designers are morons, you know.
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@cheong said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
And btw, with developer toolbars in all major browsers, experimenting quick CSS class overrides as final touch ought to be easy. I'd worry little about it.
This girl is photoshop only. She hardly knows how to use a computer.
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@kt_ said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
Do you hate all designers, or do you just hate stupid people? Cause not all designers are morons, you know.
I am sure there are good designers out there, who understand software and make the dev process easier.
But I've yet to meet one.
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@cartman82 the designers I get to work with actually ask for my input. They still, typically, design something that's a pain to implement but the worst of the fucktardary is kept at the door.
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@cartman82 said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@kt_ said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
Do you hate all designers, or do you just hate stupid people? Cause not all designers are morons, you know.
I am sure there are good designers out there, who understand software and make the dev process easier.
But I've yet to meet one.
Yeah, the most competent and reasonable one still had his own annoying quirks, although it was more the head CEO who was absolutly insane and the graphic designer had to reconcile his vision with reality.
One of our products had a place where people could add content in the form of articles. Pretty much a basic CMS of sorts. CEO complained that if you create an article with just a sentence or two it resulted in a lot of "unsightly empty space" and that had to be fixed... designer tried things like making the text scale a little depending on the length of the content or adjusting the margin and centering it... CEO didn't like it and said " how hard can it be to just remove empty space?" Designer found a way, but it required a bit of work on our part for what we felt was such a petty problem.
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@RaceProUK said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
It's things like that that make me glad our company colours don't include red.
Our company loves to define the palette of colors in the app. A Win32 app. And the users complain "it's too bright". So we design a dark theme. (Fucking app-defined themes.) I keep arguing we should just use the Window system colors. "No, our icon colors won't look good. We must tell the user what they like." (I try to point out that if the icon doesn't look good with the color the user picked, THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM!) At least we finally have a designer that listens to us that "that's how Mac's do it, not Windows" so some things are getting better...
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@The_Quiet_One said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
CEO didn't like it and said " how hard can it be to just remove empty space?" Designer found a way, but it required a bit of work on our part for what we felt was such a petty problem.
You don't remove empty space. You fill it. Have you thought about writing more?
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@dcon said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
I keep arguing we should just use the Window system colors.
That's fine for WinForms apps, but with the new XAML-based stuff, expect to see more and more app-specific palettes.
I haven't decided whether that's a good thing or not.
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@PleegWat said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@cheong With a designer? Not from personal experience, but wouldn't they use photoshop as their only tool, and complain if the end product differed from
theirthe customer's vision?That's because all designers that I had worked with have some level of programming experience. They all are capable of coding effects they want in javascript.
On server side programming, they can either code Visual Basic or PHP. :P (I heard that the designer who can code VB was headhunted by Apple a few years ago)
And regarding "vision", it's true that whatever we say about that page's style won't count. They'll generally only consider comments directly from the customer. (And they will generally listen if those opinions don't contradict their baseline, because designers who can't merge "customer requirements" into their design aren't designers)
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@cartman82 said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@cheong said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
And btw, with developer toolbars in all major browsers, experimenting quick CSS class overrides as final touch ought to be easy. I'd worry little about it.
This girl is photoshop only. She hardly knows how to use a computer.
Oh, too bad. So they hire people who cannot do even basic HTML to design web?
How could she know whether the effect she want to lay-out is possible?
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@cheong said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
How could she know whether the effect she want to lay-out is possible?
What would lead you to assume that such a consideration was in any way relevant?
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@flabdablet said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@cheong said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
How could she know whether the effect she want to lay-out is possible?
What would lead you to assume that such a consideration was in any way relevant?
Web designers should not just care about whether that page is beautiful, but also on whether the moving parts are presented in awesome way too. Otherwise you can just ask her to hand in static drawing that you can set as background of the web pages and call it a day. (map tag is very handy in this kind of design, but also very 90s-ish)
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@cheong That word "should":
http://www.animalmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/cat-memes-well-theres-your-problem.jpg
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@flabdablet On the bright side, maybe she can make their website in oil paint style. :P
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I know the designers I work with cannot into HTML, which is why I get dragged in because I can into HTML.
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@RaceProUK said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@dcon said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
I keep arguing we should just use the Window system colors.
That's fine for WinForms apps, but with the new XAML-based stuff, expect to see more and more app-specific palettes.
I haven't decided whether that's a good thing or not.
We're not even WinForms. We're C++ and WTL. We thrive in NIH. (Yes, including an XML parser.)
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@RaceProUK said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@dcon said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
WTL
This thing? http://wtl.sourceforge.net/
Yes.
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@dcon I wanted to see if WTL was TRWTF, but
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@RaceProUK said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
I wanted to see if WTL was TRWTF, but
It's kind of like MFC but done with templates. So we can successfully not use MFC and not rely on any other 3rd party framework. Waaait... OMG! We are using someone else's framework! *gasp*
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@Lorne-Kates said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@The_Quiet_One said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
CEO didn't like it and said " how hard can it be to just remove empty space?" Designer found a way, but it required a bit of work on our part for what we felt was such a petty problem.
You don't remove empty space. You fill it. Have you thought about writing more?
The CEO could only write what was on his mind at any one time, and that typically wasn't enough to fill the screen.
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@The_Quiet_One said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
The CEO could only write what was on his mind at any one time, and that typically wasn't enough to fill the screen.
Cheap solution: smaller screens.
Expensive solution: larger minds.
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What a strange coincidence.
I design haters.
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@El_Heffe said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
What a strange coincidence.
I design haters.
What a strange coincidence.
I de-eye taters.
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@dcon said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
C++ and WTL
Holy shit. Do you have secretaries with Sixties hairdos who type the code you dictate on Selectrics?
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@Lorne-Kates said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@El_Heffe said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
What a strange coincidence.
I design haters.
What a strange coincidence.
I de-eye taters.
What a strange coincidence.
IDE tatters.
Enerpat Hard Drive Shredder / Hard Drive Shredding Machine – 01:43
— Enerpat Official
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@lolwhat said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@dcon said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
C++ and WTL
Holy shit. Do you have secretaries with Sixties hairdos who type the code you dictate on Selectrics?
Nah. Everyone else uses Macs. We Windows people are few in number... And dwindling...
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@flabdablet (grits teeth) SOMEONE LUBE THAT THING!!!
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@dcon Very true. Never try to push in objects of that size without using lots of lube, or you'll just end up causing damage.
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@The_Quiet_One said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
CEO complained that if you create an article with just a sentence or two it resulted in a lot of "unsightly empty space" and that had to be fixed... designer tried things like making the text scale a little depending on the length of the content or adjusting the margin and centering it... CEO didn't like it and said " how hard can it be to just remove empty space?" Designer found a way, but it required a bit of work on our part for what we felt was such a petty problem.
Note from the CEO to God: "There is too much empty space in the universe. It is unsightly. Please remove."
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@dcon said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
So we can successfully not use MFC and not rely on any other 3rd party framework
Just in case Microsoft drops support for Windows from its main Windows library?
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@Lorne-Kates said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
What a strange coincidence.
I de-eye taters.
Which is a rather good idea before eating them.
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@CoyneTheDup Nature abhors a vacuum, but it can't get rid of it that easily, there not being enough content to fill the universe.. The_Quiet_One's web page is actually a metaphor for the entirety of existence.
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@CarrieVS dude. That's deep
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@Jaloopa said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
That's deep
It's also highly inaccurate and entirely in jest. "Nature abhors a vacuum" is a well-known saying but the truth is nature doesn't care whether it's confronted with a vacuum or a neutron star: what it abhors is a gradient. Hence the inexorable progression of entropy towards the heat death of the universe.
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@CarrieVS said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
"Nature abhors a vacuum"
That explains why the silly thing keeps breaking…
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@anonymous234 said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@dcon Very true. Never try to push in objects of that size without using lots of lube, or you'll just end up causing damage.
heheheheeh-- hard drive.
But-- umm-- if your butthole's nickname is "The Shredder"... :/
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@Lorne-Kates said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
if your butthole's nickname is "The Shredder"...
Then four turtles and a rat will ruin your day?
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@hungrier said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
@Lorne-Kates said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
if your butthole's nickname is "The Shredder"...
Then four turtles and a rat will ruin your day?
Hey, I'll just leave this here: las tortugas pinjas
You're welcome to google that.
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@Lorne-Kates said in I HATE DESIGNERS:
Hey, I'll just leave this here: las tortugas pinjas
You're welcome to google that.GIS gave me this treasure! Thank you.