Dumb things being crowdfunded.
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@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Don't know about where you are, but here speed limits under 40km/h aren't enforcable.
In WA, school zones are 20 MPH (~32km/h), and you better believe they're enforced, with radar and big, flashing signs telling you your actual speed, and sometimes a cop parked at the side of the road ready to nab you. Where I live now, the pedestrian/bike trail has a posted speed limit of 15 MPH. I've never seen any actual enforcement (but I only use it occasionally), but at least somebody seems to take it at least somewhat seriously; there are signs posted that the limit is under review by the city.
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@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
but here speed limits under 40km/h aren't enforcable.
who thought about that?
Around here the 30 km/h speed limit is very much enforced, it is used for example around schools.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Motor vehicle speedometers aren't required to be accurate
Yeah, my speedometer curves off quite rapidly after 70 mph. By the time I'm going 85 it says ~91.
Not sure if it was done on purpose or perhaps mechanical limitation, but I thought those were digital nowadays...
I've seen speedmeter on trucks has two ranges of speed on the board (one needle with two rows of readings) - one for speed without container trailer attached (i.e.: just the container tractor) and the other for speed with container fully loaded.
Guess that older speedmeter uses the power generated by engine to calculate the speed, so the accuracy is affected by the loading of the vehicle and therefore are not required to be accurate.
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@cheong said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Motor vehicle speedometers aren't required to be accurate
Yeah, my speedometer curves off quite rapidly after 70 mph. By the time I'm going 85 it says ~91.
Not sure if it was done on purpose or perhaps mechanical limitation, but I thought those were digital nowadays...
I've seen speedmeter on trucks has two ranges of speed on the board (one needle with two rows or readings) - one for speed without container trailer attached (i.e.: just the container tractor) and the other for speed with container fully loaded.
Guess that older speedmeter uses the power generated by engine to calculate the speed, so the accuracy is affected by the loading of the vehicle and therefore are not required to be accurate.
That's horrifying.
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@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
I imagine it's so people can "speed a little bit" and not get a ticket. But with the ubiquity of GPS these days there can't be anybody left that still thinks they're speeding. So I'm unsure why the practice continues.
I think it's legal liability for speeding tickets. If I'm going 69 according to my speedo and get a speeding ticket because I was actually going 71, there may be grounds to dispute it or sue the vehicle manufacturer for allowing me to speed, so erring over instead of under makes sense. As for why it's more inaccurate than other measures, maybe to allow for other confounding factors like people putting larger wheels on?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@cheong said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Motor vehicle speedometers aren't required to be accurate
Yeah, my speedometer curves off quite rapidly after 70 mph. By the time I'm going 85 it says ~91.
Not sure if it was done on purpose or perhaps mechanical limitation, but I thought those were digital nowadays...
I've seen speedmeter on trucks has two ranges of speed on the board (one needle with two rows or readings) - one for speed without container trailer attached (i.e.: just the container tractor) and the other for speed with container fully loaded.
Guess that older speedmeter uses the power generated by engine to calculate the speed, so the accuracy is affected by the loading of the vehicle and therefore are not required to be accurate.
That's horrifying.
Personally, I'd rather have truck drivers choose their speed by looking at the road and traffic conditions than at a needle on their dashboard; so I'm not so horrified.
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@Zecc said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@cheong said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Motor vehicle speedometers aren't required to be accurate
Yeah, my speedometer curves off quite rapidly after 70 mph. By the time I'm going 85 it says ~91.
Not sure if it was done on purpose or perhaps mechanical limitation, but I thought those were digital nowadays...
I've seen speedmeter on trucks has two ranges of speed on the board (one needle with two rows or readings) - one for speed without container trailer attached (i.e.: just the container tractor) and the other for speed with container fully loaded.
Guess that older speedmeter uses the power generated by engine to calculate the speed, so the accuracy is affected by the loading of the vehicle and therefore are not required to be accurate.
That's horrifying.
Personally, I'd rather have truck drivers choose their speed by looking at the road and traffic conditions than at a needle on their dashboard; so I'm not so horrified.
Agreed. Right now they all just go full throttle and let the governor control their speed. Then the highways get totally clogged up because everyone's governor is 0.05 MPH different and rather than match speed with the other trucks, they try to pass each other which takes 10 miles, while going 15 MPH slower than cars want to do (I-80 is 75 MPH, cars usually go 80).
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@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
rather than match speed with the other trucks, they try to pass each other which takes 10 miles
I thought they did that because they draft to save fuel, and take it in turns to be the one breaking a trail
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
rather than match speed with the other trucks, they try to pass each other which takes 10 miles
I thought they did that because they draft to save fuel, and take it in turns to be the one breaking a trail
If they all matched speeds and stayed in the rightmost lane, it wouldn't matter because there would be a solid line of semi-trailers stretching from Chicago to Denver.
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@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
rightmost lane
how are people going to overtake if they're taking up the fast lane?
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
rightmost lane
how are people going to overtake if they're taking up the fast lane?
The clue was "Chicago to Denver"
File Under: Driving on the right/good side of the road
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@TimeBandit I just like to point out that not everyone drives on the same side, and that talking about left/right lanes has quite a bit of cognitive load when you have to remember to reverse it
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
rightmost lane
how are people going to overtake if they're taking up the fast lane?
Are you on the wrong side of the ocean?
Actually, the middle lane is the fast lane here because idiots. Slow people (including morons on 20 horsepower motorcycles like me) take the rightmost lane, and really slow people who can't drive without constantly accelerating and braking through a range of 30 MPH velocities take the left lane because they're retarded. So everyone tries to shove through the middle lane which doesn't work because it's full of governed semis trying to pass slightly more governed semis, and the left-lane campers vary their speeds so much that hardly anyone gets a chance to pass the mess.
It really is a mess. There's literally no traffic on this interstate because there's nothing out there, but a few idiots can cause a hundred miles to back up. If you can manage to pass it all, you don't even see another passenger car for hours.
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@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Are you on the wrong side of the ocean?
I'm on the opposite side to Trump and Clinton, looks like the correct side to me
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@TimeBandit I just like to point out that not everyone drives on the same side
Most people just assume that driving is done on the right side, like 90% of the planet
Edit: here is a map
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@TimeBandit said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
90% of the planet
Leaving about 700000000 driving on the left?
Half a billion people can't be wrong
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@TimeBandit said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
90% of the planet
Leaving about 700000000 driving on the left?
Half a billion people can't be wrong
US population : 324,933,866
Voters for Hillary Clinton : 45.5% (147,844,909)
Voters for Donald Trump : 42.5% (138,096,893)285,941,802 people CAN BE WRONG
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@TimeBandit said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@TimeBandit said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
90% of the planet
Leaving about 700000000 driving on the left?
Half a billion people can't be wrong
US population : 324,933,866
Voters for Hillary Clinton : 45.5% (147,844,909)
Voters for Donald Trump : 42.5% (138,096,893)285,941,802 people CAN BE WRONG
Those numbers require a whole lot of kids and other ineligibles to be participating.
#rigged
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
not everyone drives on the same side, and that talking about left/right lanes has quite a bit of cognitive load when you have to remember to reverse it
Yes. People driving on the wrong side should use some mental powers when communicating with the rest of the world
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@Jaloopa
But still on the wrong side of the channel.
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@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Those numbers require a whole lot of kids and other ineligibles to be participating.
Get the folks in the cemeteries to help out a little bit earlier than usual!
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@dkf said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Those numbers require a whole lot of kids and other ineligibles to be participating.
Get the folks in the cemeteries to help out a little bit earlier than usual!
Are zombies allowed to in-person absentee vote?
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@ben_lubar said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Are zombies allowed to in-person absentee vote?
If a horde of zombies turns up to vote, are you going to tell them no?
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
If I'm going 69 according to my speedo and get a speeding ticket because I was actually going 71, there may be grounds to dispute it or sue the vehicle manufacturer for allowing me to speed
Except you're forgetting that traffic court is a kangaroo court.
My speedometer said 69
It's your responsibility to ensure your vehicle is in proper working order. GUILTY! Assessed the full fine plus a court fee and victim surcharge NO APPEAL NEXT!
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@ben_lubar said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Are zombies allowed to in-person absentee vote?
Apparently, yes.
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@Polygeekery To be fair, those voting dead people were never reanimated using voodoo magic...
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Are you on the wrong side of the ocean?
I'm on the opposite side to Trump and Clinton, looks like the correct side to me
We'll gladly send you both of them...
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@dkf said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@mott555 said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Those numbers require a whole lot of kids and other ineligibles to be participating.
Get the folks in the cemeteries to help out a little bit earlier than usual!
Ahhh. Chicago...
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@TimeBandit said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Huh, it looks like there's some kind of weird vortex in the Indian Ocean that makes people drive the wrong way...
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@anotherusername said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Huh, it looks like there's some kind of weird vortex in the Indian Ocean that makes people drive the wrong way...
Otherwise known as "the remnants of British imperialism".
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@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Don't know about where you are, but here speed limits under 40km/h aren't enforcable. Motor vehicle speedometers aren't required to be accurate, or even display a value, under 40km/h. Non-motorised vehicles aren't required to have a speedometer.
Conversely, around here cyclists (who typically go without a speedometer) can receive speeding tickets for going over the posted speed limit. This is rare, because the lowest posted speed limits tend to be 30 km/h and riding at a sustained speed of even 25 km/h on a normal bicycle can be difficult, but it’s fairly easy on a racing bike. Some of those riders have gotten tickets, complained about it, and been told that speed limits apply to all road users, not just motor vehicles.
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@Gurth said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
and been told that speed limits apply to all road users, not just motor vehicles.
I wish it were that way here in the USA. Here, it seems that traffic laws only apply to motorized vehicles. If you are on a bicycle, you may as well be in the wasteland from Mad Max, because laws don't apply to you. Laws like stop signs...
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@Gurth said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
riding at a sustained speed of even 25 km/h on a normal bicycle can be difficult
Not when you are riding a racing bike ... they even tried out speed bumps on bicycle only tow paths here. That didn't work because bikes can easily maneuver around obstacles but there is an official concern that groups of bike racing enthusiasts are literally driving normal bikers of bicycle paths
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@Polygeekery said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Gurth said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
and been told that speed limits apply to all road users, not just motor vehicles.
I wish it were that way here in the USA. Here, it seems that traffic laws only apply to motorized vehicles. If you are on a bicycle, you may as well be in the wasteland from Mad Max, because laws don't apply to you. Laws like stop signs...
I have seen people pulled over. Okay, it was only like one time in the 54 years I've been on this planet...
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@dcon said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
I have seen people pulled over. Okay, it was only like one time in the 54 years I've been on this planet...
I live a mile from a university with a prominent cycling team. I want to see them run over, not pulled over. Just a bunch of cockholes dressed up like bananas.
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@Polygeekery said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
If you are on a bicycle, you may as well be in the wasteland from Mad Max, because you think laws don't apply to you. Laws like stop signs...
... but they do. The enforcement may be rare, but that tends to be true of traffic laws in general. How many of the drivers who exceed the posted speed limit, or roll through a stop sign without quite stopping, or sneak through a light after it changes actually get a ticket? Not only does a cop have to be present to observe the violation, he/she has to decide that the violation was clear and severe enough to be worth the inconvenience to him/herself.
But it does happen. I've seen cyclists getting ticketed for running stop signs. And I never encountered it first-hand, but when I used to ride a lot, I was told of one particular spot that was a favorite of the local sheriff's deputy. There's a fairly steep downhill immediately followed by a similarly steep uphill. Any rational cyclist would like to use the momentum from the downhill to get up the next hill, rather than turning it into waste heat, but there's a T intersection with a stop on the through road at the bottom. Cop would sit on the side road waiting for someone (bike or car, I assume) to run the stop.
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@HardwareGeek said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Any rational cyclist would like to use the momentum from the downhill to get up the next hill, rather than turning it into waste heat
I would think that a rational cyclist, who cycles for exercise, would see that as exercise.
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@Polygeekery said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
see that as exercise.
Doesn't matter ... the real question is if your training app sees it or not.
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@Luhmann said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Polygeekery said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
see that as exercise.
Doesn't matter ... the real question is if your training app sees it or not.
The type of app that might be...crowdfunded??
Yay!! Back on topic, just like that!!
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
I think it's legal liability for speeding tickets.
There's probably some of that too. I have heard of one case of a brand new car having a defective speedo and the driver getting away with a speeding ticket. The speedo was fixed so that excuse won't work a second time.
@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
confounding factors like people putting larger wheels on?
Maybe. I have larger tyres on which corrected my speedo by about 6% which makes it pretty close to accurate now. Generally though the owner takes all responsibility for modifications like that.
It turns out it's no longer legal in many places in Australia to increase tyre diameter by more than 15mm, which pretty much means at all. Also between tyres, suspension and body lifts the maximum permitted lift is 50mm, and body lifts are forbidden on cars with electronic stability control without approval from the manufacturer (good fucking luck). So even the "big tyres" excuse won't get you out of a speeding ticket, it will instead get you a defect notice. :(
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@Luhmann said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
who thought about that?
Around here the 30 km/h speed limit is very much enforced, it is used for example around schools.School and high pedestrian activity areas here are 40km/h. And those are enforced with great enthusiasm.
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@Gurth said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
cyclists (who typically go without a speedometer) can receive speeding tickets for going over the posted speed limit.
Can do here, too. It's very rare but it happens.
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@Polygeekery said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
If you are on a bicycle, you may as well be in the wasteland from Mad Max, because laws don't apply to you. Laws like stop signs...
I don't like when those guys give the rest of us a bad reputation, because the cagers don't know (or care) if the the cyclist they're about to run down is one that obeys laws or not. The widespread attitude that cyclists don't obey the law then impacts me, but I'm not that guy!
I'm the guy that obeys the laws except the one that says "don't thump cars that get too close".
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@dcon said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
I have seen people pulled over. Okay, it was only like one time in the 54 years I've been on this planet...
Google for "sydney war on cyclists". It's not the only place but it's been in the news a few times recently.
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@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
There's probably some of that too. I have heard of one case of a brand new car having a defective speedo and the driver getting away with a speeding ticket. The speedo was fixed so that excuse won't work a second time.
I happened to be going the same speed as a cop (apparently not a good idea) in the middle of null traffic (i.e. him and I were the only cars on the freeway for minimum 20 seconds). Took him about half a minute then he double-took, slowed down, then pulled me over.
At the time, my dash lights were out (burnt-out bulb), so I just said, "I was following traffic." He responded I could have used the street lights to see the speedometer, at which I pointed out that I would rather be safely following traffic with a cop (that should theoretically be obeying the law, a la speed limit, right?) than risking distraction glancing down at the speedometer at precise intervals when the street lights just barely winked by at the right angle to read the console.
But don't try this at home.
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@another_sam said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
defective speedo
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
a cop (that should theoretically be obeying the law, a la speed limit, right?)
Police have special training in the whole fast driving thing, otherwise they'd be a bit useless in high speed chases.
I like it when a police car is in the slow lane at 69 and nobody dares to overtake, or just crawl past. I swear they do it on purpose
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@Jaloopa said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
a cop (that should theoretically be obeying the law, a la speed limit, right?)
Police have special training in the whole fast driving thing, otherwise they'd be a bit useless in high speed chases.
I like it when a police car is in the slow lane at 69 and nobody dares to overtake, or just crawl past. I swear they do it on purpose
Yes, but that only applies when they're in a chase. The problem is otherwise they remain under the law. The other problem is that people unconsciously believe they're defining the law as well (to the second point).
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@Luhmann said in Dumb things being crowdfunded.:
Not when you are riding a racing bike ...
Can you be ’d by the original post? :)
it’s fairly easy on a racing bike
Anyway:
there is an official concern that groups of bike racing enthusiasts are literally driving normal bikers of bicycle paths
That’s been an issue around here as well in recent years.