WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier But what if it is an unholy tongue, like danish?
Or a
languagethroat disease, like Dutch?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier But what if it is an unholy tongue, like danish?
Or a
languagethroat disease, like Dutch?Dutch is just a funny dialect they pretend to speak when Germans are around, to mock us. Danish, however, that’s something else…
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier But what if it is an unholy tongue, like danish?
How would you be able to tell if there's static in your soundspeaker, for one?
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Best new addition to Windows 11: the Notification Area (system tray) is now 5 icons wide. Woo-hoo!
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Notification Area (system tray) is now 5 icons wide
If Microsoft keeps innovating like that, one day it may reach parity with KDE
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Staggering innovation is staggering.
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@Applied-Mediocrity Important safety update. Just imagine the Russians could interfere with the clocks in :Applied-Mediocritistan: ...
But now you'll be safe!
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https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/119z947/thanks_microsoft/
I just want to take a moment to thank Microsoft for batch updating all our 100 users to windows 11, all on the same day….even though we triple and quadruple configured all our deployment profiles to specifically not install any windows 11 update.
I feel like the whole intune interface is like those phones for kids, there’s buttons and options but none do anything because Microsoft knows best.
Get intune they said…it’ll be fun they said.
Update: While most comments point to a missconfiguration, which I truly believed as well for a while, I'm still scratching my head as to why this happened in the past couple of days.
Even so, I can understand that we missed something, but that begs the question, why would this be buried in some obscure settings.
We have one policy in "Update rings for Windows 10 and later" with an Update Ring Settings "Upgrade Windows 10 devices to Latest Windows 11 release" clearly set to "No" and clearly correctly applying to all corporate devices. This has worked great since Windows 11 released 1 year ago almost, yet today, out of the F*IN blue, without anyone editing anything have I mentioned that?
Note to self, do not post anything without fully accepting blame, in writing, even if flared as rant.
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@topspin so, just like ecclesiastical Latin, then.
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@Zerosquare I think what happens is that they periodically change which bits of the registry the updater listens to (and hence which ones you need to tweak in group policy controls); every time they rebuild the updater, there's a chance of a change. If you don't have all of them set right, including the ones they've not invented yet, then you'll get an update randomly foisted upon you some time. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but sometime.
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Yeah, that is my understanding as well.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
they periodically change
I thought this was well-known fact.... Guess not.
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@Tsaukpaetra Is the period longer or shorter than the interval between MSDN URL changes?
Filed under: Yes
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For Windows 10 I have always used these registry settings:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2021-12-12T12:12:59Z"
"PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"="2021-12-12T12:12:59Z"
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"="2039-12-12T12:12:59Z"
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="2039-12-12T12:12:12Z"
"PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"="2039-12-12T12:12:12Z"[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"TargetReleaseVersion"=dword:00000001
"TargetReleaseVersionInfo"="1809"Which results in:
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Status: lies!
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My computer was recently claiming that it was ready for Windows 11 despite having secure boot disabled.
Is that a thing now?
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My computer was recently claiming that it was ready for Windows 11 despite having secure boot disabled.
Is that a thing now?
Someone posted a link to an article about it here somewhere. It was an error and would have failed if you'd actually tried it.
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@loopback0 Dodged two bullets there, I suppose.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My computer was recently claiming that it was ready for Windows 11
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My computer was recently claiming that it was ready for Windows 11 despite having secure boot disabled.
Is that a thing now?
It was an error and would have failed if you'd actually tried it.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Jokes aside, I have a Windows 11 laptop. I don't mind it that much compared to Windows 10 (that said, I wouldn't want to have to do prolonged work under Windows 10 either).
The problem is more that the machine in question is dual-boot. The Linux-side isn't secure boot enabled and right now I don't want to spend the hour or two figuring out how to make it secure boot (custom kernel and stuff). I spent an hour reading up on it early on, and it doesn't seem that bad, but quite literarily . Windows 11 working without secure boot ... I'd have bitten the bullet and let it install.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
quite literarily .
The wrote a book? Seems unlikely; writing a book is a lot of work.
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@HardwareGeek Most of the pages are left empty. Intentionally.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Windows 11 working without secure boot ... I'd have bitten the bullet and let it install.
It does work without Secure Boot. The only thing that cares whether Secure Boot is enabled (or TPM is enabled, or that the CPU is supported) or not is the installer for W11 and that can be trivially defeated assuming the can also be defeated.
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In other W11 news...
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the installer for W11 and that can be trivially defeated
I'd recommend defeating the Win11 installer in the same way Japan was defeated in WW2.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the installer for W11 and that can be trivially defeated
I'd recommend defeating the Win11 installer in the same way Japan was defeated in WW2.
The fighting global warming thread is
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the installer for W11 and that can be trivially defeated
I'd recommend defeating the Win11 installer in the same way Japan was defeated in WW2.
I mostly prefer W11 to W10, although I'm not one of those people who puts the taskbar in weird places.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
taskbar in weird places
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It does work without Secure Boot. The only thing that cares whether Secure Boot is enabled (or TPM is enabled, or that the CPU is supported) or not is the installer for W11 and that can be trivially defeated
Ah, neat. That's good to know.
assuming the can also be defeated.
That's a bit more questionable. My trust in Windows dictates that I make an image of the drive's state before attempting anything weird. When Windows breaks in all the ways, I can roll back independently from Windows. That sounds like a lot more effort already.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
In other W11 news...
"Moment 4"?
Is that what they are calling their versions now?
So we can now claim anything may break from one Moment to the next?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that what they are calling their versions now?
Until the next time they call them something else.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
In other W11 news...
"Moment 4"?
Is that what they are calling their versions now?
For now it's what they're calling smaller feature releases between the full feature updates once a year and major version releases every three years. I expect them to come up with some new terms after releasing Windows 12 in 2024.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I expect them to come up with some new terms after releasing Windows 12 in 2024.
That'll make it a momentous change.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I expect them to come up with some new terms after releasing Windows 12 in 2024.
That'll make it a momentous change.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that what they are calling their versions now?
Until the next time they call them something else.
I vote for
sneak peaks
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@Tsaukpaetra Shhh... let's not leak* our hard work
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that what they are calling their versions now?
Until the next time they call them something else.
I vote for
sneak peaks
"Attempt"
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Soon enough we'll get functionality we've had since Windows 95 again!
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Don't get your hopes up.
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@Tsaukpaetra There is a theory which states that if ever Microsoft discovers exactly what is wrong with Windows 11 taskbar and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra There is a theory which states that if ever Microsoft discovers exactly what is wrong with Windows 11 taskbar and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
The Windows 12 taskbar
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra There is a theory which states that if ever Microsoft discovers exactly what is wrong with Windows 11 taskbar and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
The Windows 12 taskbar
...or the mini taskbar for tablets.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra There is a theory which states that if ever Microsoft discovers exactly what is wrong with Windows 11 taskbar and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There's another theory that this has already happened.
</obvious>
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My personal experience with Windows 11 is a mixed bag. I'm fine sticking with Windows 10 on all other devices I use as long as I can (which works out for two of them, as they can't upgrade).
I don't hate some of the stuff, like the new volume mixer and grouping the WiFi/Bluetooth/VPN stuff with volume, but I do hate the change with the taskbar about always collapsing, I honestly was used to the start menu groupings and buttons (to the point I added remote desktop shortcuts to it), and that windows are all about rounding and leaving a gap around the edges.
Oh, and that last night, I randomly had my system just shut down hard, no blue screen or anything, and would shut down immediately after BIOS (right when the spinner for Windows would show). Had to do a system restore to fix it and I have absolutely no clue what happened.
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@ChaosTheEternal said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I have absolutely no clue what happened.
Phase of the moon and solar flares. Oh, and don't piss off witches.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
don't piss off witches.
But they're tall. And they wear wide-brimmed hats.
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
don't piss off witches.
But they're tall. And they wear wide-brimmed hats.
That's supposed to be aposematism, not an invitation.
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@ChaosTheEternal said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Oh, and that last night, I randomly had my system just shut down hard, no blue screen or anything . . . . . Had to do a system restore to fix it and I have absolutely no clue what happened.
Just like all previous version of Windows
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Status: No! And I don't want to either!
I swear this came up on the lockscreen immediately after I left feedback on the Widgets panel to the effect of "I don't want news. Stop fucking suggesting news!"