Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
because that doesn't fit your idea of what a manager is, does it?
I have seen many kinds of managers. I rarely liked any of them.
If you want to get serious then here are some questions for you:
- Can you write code?
- Can you design and document?
- Would you jump in to help code something if your team was about to miss a deadline unless they all worked heavy overtime?
Or are you just another one of those tough talking people managers who has no clue about technical stuff but are good at barking orders?
I am sincerely hoping that it's not the latter.
Manager in the code base...shudder...
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Can you write code?
Can you design and document?Not only can she, but if anything error_bot is a cheap knockoff of her code, and only exists because of my admiration of her work.
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@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen I certainly didn't write two lines of code and then play The Witcher for 3 hours today.
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Not only can she, but if anything error_bot is a cheap knockoff of her code, and only exists because of my admiration of her work.
Sheesh, find a room you two.
Only if it has a wooden horse, a St Andrews cross, and a few hard points. Oh! And a pillory!
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@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Not only can she, but if anything error_bot is a cheap knockoff of her code, and only exists because of my admiration of her work.
Sheesh, find a room you two.
Only if it has a wooden horse, a St Andrews cross, and a few hard points. Oh! And a pillory!
you have my attention!
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
you have my attention!
So you are THAT kind of manager...
what? you think i let my sex life and my work life mix?
@error_bot giffy OH HELL NAW
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@Vixen It's a ph.
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@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen It's a ph.
@error_bot giphy ara ara
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@error_bot said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Giphy said in https://giphy.com/gifs/love-izone-wonyoung-dBqlzrT3JC4DJSaFSf :
d'aww! i love you too!
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@boomzilla said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
my manager did actual work. his manager did actual work. and his manager is the CEO.
Yeah, if by "actual work" you mean "walk fast, look worried".
Guess which character you are in this strip?
I get your point, it’s valid, but still using a strip to defend s feels wrong.
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@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Can you write code?
Can you design and document?Not only can she, but if anything error_bot is a cheap knockoff of her code, and only exists because of my admiration of her work.
So... are you implying that @pie_flavor was right all along?
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
I get your point, it’s valid, but still using a strip to defend s feels wrong.
Wait, so he is saying I am , because I supposedly don't understand what managers do, and because I am saying it's not work? And he is illustrating this by using Dilbert's idiot boss as an example? The irony is truly lost on him. Ratio of managers to normal managers is way too high for comfort.
Yes. Because, as per that implication, you don’t understand what managers do and thus assume it’s no work. (”6 minutes”)
It’s ironic, but rather funny as you didn’t get it.
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
what? you think i let my sex life and my work life mix?
Looks like one of those might be leaking into the other from where I stand.
i don't have a business relationship with @error nor @error_bot
so.......... yeah that's not a thing.
but you're welcome to your delusions.
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@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
I get your point, it’s valid, but still using a strip to defend s feels wrong.
Wait, so he is saying I am , because I supposedly don't understand what managers do, and because I am saying it's not work? And he is illustrating this by using Dilbert's idiot boss as an example? The irony is truly lost on him. Ratio of managers to normal managers is way too high for comfort.
Yes. Because, as per that implication, you don’t understand what managers do and thus assume it’s no work. (”6 minutes”)
It’s ironic, but rather funny as you didn’t get it.Also true, but then there's this:
Under the Dilbert principle, employees who were never competent are promoted to management to limit the damage they can do. Adams first explained the principle in a 1995 Wall Street Journal article, and expanded upon it in his 1996 business book The Dilbert Principle.
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I do have an ex who liked to have sex in her office after-hours, but I didn't work there myself.
I think the night security guy may have watched us on CCTV.
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
So that's how you kids call it these days?
when money changes hand for work performed...... yes...... what else would it be called?
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
I think the night security guy may have watched us on CCTV.
Wouldn't he be obliged to report that and wouldn't that be a fireable offense for your ex?
It was building security for a high rise. It's pure speculation/wishful thinking that he was watching us, but he did have to buzz us in (because it was outside business hours), so he at minimum knew we were up to something. The office was on the 44th floor and the view was amazing.
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@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
I do have an ex who liked to have sex
Paging Dr. Seuss.
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@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@boomzilla said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
my manager did actual work. his manager did actual work. and his manager is the CEO.
Yeah, if by "actual work" you mean "walk fast, look worried".
Guess which character you are in this strip?
I get your point, it’s valid, but still using a strip to defend s feels wrong.
In point of fact, I was not.
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@boomzilla said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@boomzilla said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
my manager did actual work. his manager did actual work. and his manager is the CEO.
Yeah, if by "actual work" you mean "walk fast, look worried".
Guess which character you are in this strip?
I get your point, it’s valid, but still using a strip to defend s feels wrong.
In point of fact, I was not.
"Defend".... "Mock"....
is there really a difference around these parts?
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@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@boomzilla said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@boomzilla said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
my manager did actual work. his manager did actual work. and his manager is the CEO.
Yeah, if by "actual work" you mean "walk fast, look worried".
Guess which character you are in this strip?
I get your point, it’s valid, but still using a strip to defend s feels wrong.
In point of fact, I was not.
"Defend".... "Mock"....
is there really a difference around these parts?
I was certainly not defending @levicki. I guess maybe I was mocking other people who think all bosses as s, too.
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@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Here's the actual problem. They're not closing sockets, so it's leaking memory until it crashes. If we change these eight lines, we can actually decommission all of the additional servers they had us rent last time this issue came up.
7 You're really starting to piss people off.Your problem is right there. Fix the socket closing issue, sure, but don't then make recommendations on reducing the size of empire the bozos have built up. Instead, sell the change as helping reduce the crashing problem. (Reducing down to zero works for me.)
The poor server utilization is something to raise at a later date.
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@Zerosquare said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
But hiring a manager a manager is a way to turn one problem into an infinity of problems.
Also known as a regular meeting.
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Scott is a clairvoyant. Today's strip:
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@Jaloopa said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
As for the "OK, boomer" thing -- it is a dangerous generalization. It also means "I am dismissing everything you say because I think you are out of touch" while actually not giving any thought to the real cause of disagreement nor attempting to get to the bottom of it and settle things like normal adults.
Yeah, it must be terrible to be dismissed just because of your age and presumed lack of experience in the matters being talked about. Especially when people assume your generation is a different age to what it actually is.
Luckily, us millenials haven't had to go through that
Ok boomer.
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@dkf said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Here's the actual problem. They're not closing sockets, so it's leaking memory until it crashes. If we change these eight lines, we can actually decommission all of the additional servers they had us rent last time this issue came up.
7 You're really starting to piss people off.Your problem is right there. Fix the socket closing issue, sure, but don't then make recommendations on reducing the size of empire the bozos have built up. Instead, sell the change as helping reduce the crashing problem. (Reducing down to zero works for me.)
The poor server utilization is something to
raise at a later dateamend by crypto coin mining or running other heavy computation.FTFY
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@error said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen I certainly didn't write two lines of code and then play The Witcher for 3 hours today.
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@Jaloopa Better than playing Twitcher for 3 hours and finding all of that had been wrong
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@Jaloopa Comments seem to be gone down the MSDN-hole. Someone in there had a link to a grumpy cat picture captioned with this, and I had that as my background for years.
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@topspin yeah, comments were killed in the move from blogs.msdn.microsoft.com to devblogs.whatever.it.is. Something to do with gdpr I think, since there was no way for commenters to request deletion. Lots of good comments lost
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@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
:@Zenith Here's the actual problem. They're not closing sockets, so it's leaking memory until it crashes. If we change these eight lines, we can actually decommission all of the additional servers they had us rent last time this issue came up.
You're so focused on problems. Try to be a bit more solution-oriented next time:
: Here's a solution. We streamline the current implementation by adding a step that closes sockets once unused. With this small internal project, we can scale our application further with the current set of resources.
(½ )
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@dkf said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Here's the actual problem. They're not closing sockets, so it's leaking memory until it crashes. If we change these eight lines, we can actually decommission all of the additional servers they had us rent last time this issue came up.
7 You're really starting to piss people off.Your problem is right there. Fix the socket closing issue, sure, but don't then make recommendations on reducing the size of empire the bozos have built up. Instead, sell the change as helping reduce the crashing problem. (Reducing down to zero works for me.)
The poor server utilization is something to raise at a later date.
You couldn't know this but you're taking this out of context. This and other performance problems were constantly recurring for years. I thought this time, if I sold it as serving the "do more with less (hur dur)" being drilled into our heads, somebody would listen and do what I said. Unfortunately, there's a version of groupthink that values working harder over working smarter (sky was the limit on unpaid overtime).
Personally, the fact that we rented over 200 servers to run three applications for 100 users was already embarrassing and I was not interested in playing stupid on top of that.
@cvi said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
You're so focused on problems. Try to be a bit more solution-oriented next time:
(½ )Yeah, well, when you're never allowed to solve problems (the Indians' feefees might be huwt), they tend to multiply and overwhelm you. My solution was to leave for the first available opening. I try to tell myself I didn't do too badly with the hand I was dealt. Bored to death or not, they do pay me slightly more to do practically nothing now.
I had to stop reading the newspaper though. In the capitol region, much of the news tends to revolve around my employer. Lots of people are always upset about money. It was the same one-dimensional complaint when I was underpaid as it is now that I'm underutilized/overpaid. It's also neither my fault nor relevant to needing a paycheck.
I've been working on the solution to that problem for over a year now. Nothing so far has worked. Not volunteering to help with other projects. Not requesting training to learn something new. Not applying for every other job that's come up. The portable desktop I just ordered is a last ditch effort. I will work on some projects of my own for awhile. Maybe I'll make enough money that I'll be able to quit. That would be the best case scenario. But I would settle for not having to stare at the wall all day.
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@levicki said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
See? I was right.
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Posting meme from a movie which portrays manglement inefficiency in a corporate setting as one of its main plot points. Get a fucking grip, you twat
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Posting meme from a movie which portrays manglement inefficiency in a corporate setting as one of its main plot points. Get a fucking grip, you twat
/shrug
Whatever, you twit.
:-P
it's not like i've actually watched the movie.... i just searched for the text and lazily picked the first one that looked decent and matched the words i wanted to say.
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@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
it's not like i've actually watched the movie
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@hungrier said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
it's not like i've actually watched the movie
i don't watch a lot of movies...... is it so surprising i haven't seen The Exorcist?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Today's strip:
I was going to post that, but I didn't remember which thread this argument was in. Also, you beat me to it by maybe 9 or 10 hours.
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@hungrier said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
it's not like i've actually watched the movie
Oye!
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@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
So... are you implying that @pie_flavor was right all along?
Dangerous implication.
Where is @pie_flavor anyway?
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@loopback0 He probably got garbage-collected by one of his Minecraft mods.
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@loopback0 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
So... are you implying that @pie_flavor was right all along?
Dangerous implication.
Where is @pie_flavor anyway?
He experienced the 2036 bug and hasn't been fixed yet.
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@Tsaukpaetra so that means earth 73 is running two years early?
That might explain stuff working for him, we’re still running beta tests when he gets releases.
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@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
so that means earth 73 is running two years early?
NTPv3 will roll over in 2036. It counts seconds from 1900 in 32-bit unsigned.
NTPv4 fixes that by using 64-bit unsigned, but it appeared in 2010 and I'm to find how widely it has been implemented.E: That doesn't exclude time shenanigans happening on Earth-73. After all, technically you can't be 12 forever
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@Jaloopa said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Especially when people assume your generation is a different age to what it actually is.
It's almost as if a group was briefed with the stereotypical talking points about these uppity millenial "children" way back in 2007, and then tasked with creating quality Millenial Maymays™. To properly motivate them, they were locked in a windowless cubicle farm with no internet. Rumor has it that they're still telling "Don't taze me, bro!" jokes to each other.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
It counts seconds from 1900 in 32-bit unsigned.
Can someone explain to me why clock synchronization protocol has chosen its epoch to start over 80 years before the protocol's creation so that it's already 60% toward rollover on day one!?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
There's arguments all over this board, for example, with people taking absurd positions based on first principles that they refuse to explain.
Some of them might even be trolling!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@loopback0 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@topspin said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
So... are you implying that @pie_flavor was right all along?
Dangerous implication.
Where is @pie_flavor anyway?
He experienced the 2036 bug and hasn't been fixed yet.
There's no way NodeBB only has 2036 bugs.