Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
had a default functionality to timeout the notification.
We have this in our app. People are constantly complaining that they miss the notification because they (went to the bathroom / got coffee / in a meeting / etcetcetc).
Clearly they're living wrong!
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@Zecc said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor Are you saying there could have been a notification there the previous 2 or 3 boots but the orange icon next to the clock saying there was 1 new notification only appeared after the notification should have been cleared? Is that what you're saying?
Yes. From experience.
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
had a default functionality to timeout the notification.
We have this in our app. People are constantly complaining that they miss the notification because they (went to the bathroom / got coffee / in a meeting / etcetcetc).
I sometimes wish that the notification system would allow the user to assign notifications persistense to different applications and pririty levels (per app). Then I realize that the problem is not in the notification itself, but in the idiotic app that places a higher priority on screwing my day than letting me do meaningful work. So, just letting the user permanently squelch applications from the notification system would likely work just as well.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Zecc said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor Are you saying there could have been a notification there the previous 2 or 3 boots but the orange icon next to the clock saying there was 1 new notification only appeared after the notification should have been cleared? Is that what you're saying?
Yes. From experience.
Ah well. Then let me facepalm even harder.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Sensible people reboot their system
mannually.FTFY
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Then I realize that the problem is not in the notification itself, but in the idiotic app that places a higher priority on screwing my day than letting me do meaningful work.
There is no higher meaning to your working life than rebooting Windows to keep it up to date.
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@dkf Today at work:
: I am leaving this Windows Server machine running overnight, because [despite downloading and installing updates yesterday] it found a few more today and the download is being slow.
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Windows Update, the gift that keeps on giving.
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@Zerosquare said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Windows Update, the gift that keeps on giving.
Just like syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes
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It's been 22 days since the update got officially released and my work computer still doesn't see it. It doesn't have any of the blacklisted products. I'm not complaining, I just think it's weird.
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@anonymous234 Did you explicitly check for updates, or are you just waiting on the notification?
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@anonymous234 Last time I checked my second computer still didn't see it, even with a manual search. I dunno why, it has none of the problem things either iirc.
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@pie_flavor The first one.
My home computer didn't see it either. I downloaded the installer just to get it over with and it worked fine.
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
had a default functionality to timeout the notification.
We have this in our app. People are constantly complaining that they miss the notification because they (went to the bathroom / got coffee / in a meeting / etcetcetc).
The notification bubbles built into windows were meant to detect if there was no activity and not start the timeout until the mouse started moving again or some other sign of life
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@Jaloopa said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
mouse started moving again or some other sign of life
For some reason, Windows has always gone to extremes on this one. On Windows 7, constant button-mashing on a gamepad did nothing to prevent screen-saver or sleep-mode. On Windows 10, people complained that even having a gamepad or joystick connected was enough to prevent screen-saver (in 2015).
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@anonymous234 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
It's been 22 days since the update got officially released and my work computer still doesn't see it. It doesn't have any of the blacklisted products. I'm not complaining, I just think it's weird.
My VM was the same way. Yes, I explicitly checked. Since it was the weekend and I had time, I finally said fuck-it and downloaded the dammit-upgrade-me-now.exe.
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@Atazhaia said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@anonymous234 Last time I checked my second computer still didn't see it, even with a manual search. I dunno why, it has none of the problem things either iirc.
Mine still doesn't see it.
It did, however, say "You're up to date" only to show a couple of updates to 1803 when I clicked "Check Now"
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Status: Windows Update keeps on teetering between pending download, downloading, pending installation, and installing on these two updates...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Windows Update
A marvel of software engineering
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@TimeBandit WOMM
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From an Insider Program email:
Windows just got lighter and brighter! With the new Windows Light Theme, you can add brilliant dashes of colour to areas of the UI that previously remained dark.
You’ll also want to try Intelligent Active Hours — a new tool that can automatically sense device activity — so Windows updates don’t get in the way of your busy schedule.Let's see how well this works...
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
brilliant dashes of colour
Did we lose a war?
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@Gribnit does it matter when your president, and loads of his government are Russian assets? Runs
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@loopback0 Why not ask the user?
Oh, right. That would work too well
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@TimeBandit This isn't some shitty open source software that cares about users. This is Intelligent and Active!
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
From an Insider Program email:
Windows just got lighter and brighter! With the new Windows Light Theme, you can add brilliant dashes of colour to areas of the UI that previously remained dark.
You’ll also want to try Intelligent Active Hours — a new tool that can automatically sense device activity — so Windows updates don’t get in the way of your busy schedule.Let's see how well this works...
Well if you turned off telemetry (you know, privacy and all that) I assume it won't work well at all.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
open source software that cares about users.
https://i.imgur.com/DrlPAjl.gif
https://i.imgur.com/RCJHrP9.gif
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@El_Heffe I make open source software, and I care about my users.
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@pie_flavor Easy to say when you don't have any
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@topspin said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
although from your screenshot it seems that in the start menu they’re only in the right click menu, whereas windows 7 showed an arrow next to it indicating you could open such a menu right there.
Yep, this. Until I read this thread just now I thought the jump lists had gone from the Start Menu, because the arrow that used to be there to access them isn't there any more and apparently we were supposed to just realise that right-clicking the item was the way to do it now. The only time I ever right-click a Start menu item normally is to launch an elevated command prompt, so I'd never seen the jump lists appear this way in Win10.
@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
The best feature Microsoft could add to Windows now is an opt-in list of checkboxes of what pieces of bloat to include/exclude in the installation. To be presented at installation time and
respected ever sinceoverwritten with every update, and randomly by patches in between.FTFM
I mean, yes, your way would be nicer. But at this point I don't think it's within Microsoft's capabilities to actually deliver.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I mean, yes, your way would be nicer. But at this point I don't think it's within Microsoft's capabilities to actually deliver.
Why the hell not? How is it incapable to be omitted the command that preinstalls apps?
For fucks sake, not doing something is usually easier than doing something.
It's impossible for Microsoft to deliver something like this.
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
Just got a Windows Insider email...
Dark Theme is so yesterday (to our users, "hear that?!?"). Windows now has a new Light Theme! It's lighter and brighter! (their words).
Oh, and Intelligent Active Hours "so Windows updates don't get in the way of your busy schedule." (with a subscript: Features may be available in select markets; yadayadayada)
Ah, you mean the one @loopback0 reported on?
How about some screenshots:
Fuck brighter!
That looks like a whole lot more than "one, simple step"...
https://insider.windows.com/en-us/previews-highlights/
I assume this link will expire soon, so...
Funny enough, though the message indicates intelligent action hours, they're not mentioned in the "See more" link.
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@Tsaukpaetra (in response to the last set of images) It's fewer interruptions dammit! It's not hard to get right! </>
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
not doing something is usually easier than doing something.
Unless you employed bad coders in between, in which case the system may not be stable unless all the expected components are present. And probably loaded in a very strictly timed order. ...Which would go a long way to explain the long-ish cold-boot and shutdown times.
Also, I wouldn't actually want to give that list to the general public as-is either. Too many support requests after someone deems a TCP/IP stack to be surplus to requirements and then complains about the lack of cat videos.
But maybe some kind of high-level package list, with dependencies resolved without user intervention.
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
not doing something is usually easier than doing something.
Unless you employed bad coders in between, in which case the system may not be stable unless all the expected components are present. And probably loaded in a very strictly timed order. ...Which would go a long way to explain the long-ish cold-boot and shutdown times.
Also, I wouldn't actually want to give that list to the general public as-is either. Too many support requests after someone deems a TCP/IP stack to be surplus to requirements and then complains about the lack of cat videos.
But maybe some kind of high-level package list, with dependencies resolved without user intervention.I didn't intend to imply core system components like TCP/IP stack would be selectable. More like "Here are some recommended Apps, untick the ones you don't want" which would include all the candy sweep saga rush whatever.
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@Tsaukpaetra Then we agree.
Just, that screenshot scares me. "Communications" with an old modem for an image. You know what every other user will un-tick.On the other hand, "Accessibility" should always be opt-in.
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra Then we agree.
Just, that screenshot scares me. "Communications" with an old modem for an image. You know what every other user will un-tick.On the other hand, "Accessibility" should always be opt-in.
Sorry, I didn't have time to do concept art like I did before.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
With the new Windows Light Theme, you can add brilliant dashes of colour to areas of the UI that previously remained dark.
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I love how changing the UI colors (something that even Windows 2.x supported right out of the box) is now considered a feature.
It goes well with my theory that the UI designers at MS had a collective brain stroke sometime between Windows 7 and Windows 8, and have to relearn everything from scratch.
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@Zerosquare said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
and have to relearn everything from scratch
Obligatory: that's the entire software industry every ~10 years when they switch to a cool new platform.
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@anonymous234 For JS, change to "10 weeks"
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@dcon said in In other news today...:
Just got a Windows Insider email...
Dark Theme is so yesterday (to our users, "hear that?!?"). Windows now has a new Light Theme! It's lighter and brighter! (their words).
Oh, and Intelligent Active Hours "so Windows updates don't get in the way of your busy schedule." (with a subscript: Features may be available in select markets; yadayadayada)
Ah, you mean the one @loopback0 reported on?
How about some screenshots:
Fuck brighter!
I work in an office and not in my mom's basement, so I'm going with "fuck dark mode!"
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@Zerosquare said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I love how changing the UI colors (something that even Windows 2.x supported right out of the box) is now considered a feature.
Because every app is supposed to do themes themselves. You know, that thing the system has offered since day 1 (ok day 3 - I started with Win3.0). But users? Fuck no, they want your app to have themes instead because every app needs to look unique!
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@dcon pretty much every customized look application for Windows (that is not Electron) uses Qt.
Which is IME the toolkit that does the best job at looking native on every platform.
So... you picked the toolkit which tries its damndest to not look like shit... and made it look like shit! What even the fuck are you doing?
Seriously, how come I have better and more consistent theming options on Linux with its 17,000 fragmented DEs and toolkits than on Windows where it's all a single API unless you specifically pick something else?
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@Onyx said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Which is IME the toolkit that does the best job at looking native on every platform.
As long as “every platform” doesn't include macOS or its retarded younger sibling iOS.
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@Onyx said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
So... you picked the toolkit which tries its damndest to not look like shit... and made it look like shit! What even the fuck are you doing?
Is that "global" you or "me" you? Cause I don't use Qt for anything! (wxWidgets for personal and raw Win32 at work)
Of course all this theme-crap, I'm gonna lay at designers feet. Because they just have to have a custom color theme. Following OS color themes is just so yesterday!
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@dcon global of course, I was thinking of pointing that out but buttumed the context is clear enough.
Now I made a butt out of both of us.
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@Onyx said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Now I made a butt out of both of us.
Not too badly - my point about designers still stands!
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
But maybe some kind of high-level package list, with dependencies resolved without user intervention.
It already exist