Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Had a gender change and is named Cortana,
I never thought of Clippy having a gender. Well, not unless "Annoying as fuck" is a gender, and this is 2018 so it probably is.
Apparently he was voiced by Gilbert Gottfried at some point.
Windows 10 would be much improved if, during setup, Gilbert Gottfried yelled "Hi there! I'm Cortana and I'm here to help!"
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@AlexMedia said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
When I subsequently retried, the 1809 update was no longer offered.
With all the reports I'm seeing (via google), I wonder if they pulled it?
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Had a gender change and is named Cortana,
I never thought of Clippy having a gender. Well, not unless "Annoying as fuck" is a gender, and this is 2018 so it probably is.
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
UWP apps.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
UWP apps
That's a feature
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
So you like your girls disabled, huh?
I like my girls like my coffee. White, hot, and always getting my name wrong.
Hot, black, sweet and preferably fair-trade.
Theyâre rarely traded fairly.
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
Our universe or his?
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Well, I suppose this validates the decision I took a few months ago to jump the ship.
Frankly, improvements are all welcome. Win10 has some good improvements to the terminal, security, flat look that I liked and other minor things. Even the LF support on notepad is a minor convenience that youâll probably only use a few times per year when youâre using a different PC that doesnât have your favourite editor installed. Itâs not major but itâs appreciated.
But FFS, you canât have still DPI issues ON THE OS UI, even on your own hardware (Surface).
And get the whole thing to use consistently the same design language, donât ship something that has 4 different context menu styles and the come out with âHey folks! Here is our NEW NEW wanky design language!â.
Also donât try to get something that can run everywhere from desktop to tablet to TV to VR. You canât do it, it will end up being a lowest common denominator craptomise.
Stop this retarded Indiders shitfest, test your bloody software like you used to and and ship stable stuff.
Who cares about 3D paint?
Why do you think recording the user activity throughout the days and uploading it to your cloud (Timeline) is a good idea, or acceptable from a privacy point of view?If they could just focus their effort on what really matters, it could be the best Windows since XP.
I donât care how much the revenue has grown under Nutella (stolen from the reddit thread), I donât like him.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
UWP apps.
Fair enough, but that is a solution looking for a problem.
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@topspin said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
So you like your girls disabled, huh?
I like my girls like my coffee. White, hot, and always getting my name wrong.
Hot, black, sweet and preferably fair-trade.
Theyâre rarely traded fairly.
Depends on who is defining that.
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
that is a solution looking for a problem.
And calling it a "solution" is being generous, given that it seems to create more problems than it solves.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1_CFn_wVrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQRIsHBvYU&t=0s
TLDR: people are losing files in the update. As in, deleted, less disk space used after the update.
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@LB_ said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
TLDR: people are losing files in the update. As in, deleted, less disk space used after the update.
Welcome to the thread! You can see that particular sub-topic start being discussed here:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Zerosquare
And that'll be the last of your files, while we're at it.(https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9l128k/warning_1809_upgrade_misplaceddeleted_files_in/)
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@LB_ said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
TLDR: people are losing files in the update. As in, deleted, less disk space used after the update.
But it only deleted my files. It left the directories behind! (And luckily I don't put my files in MyDocs, so I only lost files in my Downloads directory)
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@Tsaukpaetra Oops. Yes, you caught me, I've not been very observant.
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@LB_ said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra Oops. Yes, you caught me, I've not been very observant.
Don't worry, we all know ď
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
UWP apps.
Also, does anyone (besides you) actually use them?
On desktop that is.
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
UWP apps.
Also, does anyone (besides you) actually use them?
On desktop that is.
I think you've forgotten that there's literally an OS mode that's UWP-only, geared towards people who are more technologically illiterate. Or that the new MS Office is UWP.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
"Oh, damn, I can't do that on Windows 7. I need a Windows 10 machine to do that."
Something that literally no person has ever said.
False.
Name the circumstance then.
UWP apps.
Also, does anyone (besides you) actually use them?
On desktop that is.
I think you've forgotten that there's literally an OS mode that's UWP-only, geared towards people who are more technologically illiterate. Or that the new MS Office is UWP.
I'll admit it's been a while since I installed Office, but you're telling me they rewrote the hundreds of features encapsulated in Office in .Net, just to make it a UWP app?
I find that incredibly unlikely.
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@Tsaukpaetra
https://i.imgur.com/tgeUUEO.pnge: Just realized this dark theme propagates. Loving it.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra
https://i.imgur.com/tgeUUEO.pnge: Just realized this dark theme propagates. Loving it.
That doesn't demonstrate that Microsoft Office has been rewritten in .Net from the ground up at all.
My copy of Office 2016 has those same icons, and it certainly isn't a UWP app.
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@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
That's begging the question, isn't it?
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
That's begging the question, isn't it?
Why are you asking me? You're the genius arguer.
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
But it only deleted my files. It left the directories behind! (And luckily I don't put my files in MyDocs, so I only lost files in my Downloads directory)
When this release was still in the Insider Preview stage Microsoft announced that the Download folder would now be included in the "cleanup" of "un-needed files"
A lot of people said "Hey, wait a minute. That's a bad idea."
And of course Microsoft said, "OK. Thanks for your feedback. We're going to do it anyway because Fuck You."
I'm also seeing reports that there may be a bug involving a Group Policy setting which deletes user profiles that are older than a certain age.
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I never thought of Clippy having a gender. Well, not unless "Annoying as fuck" is a genderSo, Clippy is female.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
That's begging the question, isn't it?
Why are you asking me? You're the genius arguer.
It was rhetorical. UWP is not exactly equal to .NET.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
That's begging the question, isn't it?
Why are you asking me? You're the genius arguer.
It was rhetorical. UWP is not exactly equal to .NET.
I'm sorry, I couldn't tell. You've told me in the past that .Net was critical in UWP apps (such as Settings), so I logically assumed that .Net is an essential core aspect of what a UWP is (and therefore must necessarily be the basis for UWP apps).
Foolish me, for trusting your word, I know.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
That's begging the question, isn't it?
Why are you asking me? You're the genius arguer.
It was rhetorical. UWP is not exactly equal to .NET.
I'm sorry, I couldn't tell. You've told me in the past that .Net was critical in UWP apps (such as Settings), so I logically assumed that .Net is an essential core aspect of what a UWP is (and therefore must necessarily be the basis for UWP apps).
Foolish me, for trusting your word, I know.
.NET is critical for UWP apps to work correctly, yes. The apps themselves can either be .NET, PWA, or Win32, although the latter won't work on non-desktop systems such as Xbox.
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@boomzilla said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Zerosquare
And that'll be the last of your files, while we're at it.(https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9l128k/warning_1809_upgrade_misplaceddeleted_files_in/)
So not everyone got those, "Your files are right where you left them" messages, eh?
I guess not. Microsoft pulled the update for investigation:
That's two in a row now.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
It's Microsoft's store, they can put whatever they want there. For example, this link takes you to desktop (non-UWP) OneNote 2016 in the Store:
Speaking of OneNote, it looks like it's the only UWP Office app that's going to survive; the Office team has "deprioritized" the actually-UWP Office Mobile versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
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@Parody I'm pretty sure that the reason it works like that is because the store doesn't have support for application bundles like Office.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Parody I'm pretty sure that the reason it works like that is because the store doesn't have support for application bundles like Office.
Which is funny, because if they treated it like a game store it would be rather trivial to have the core office subsystems (aka "shared features") available for free, and the actual office applications as DLC.
But, if memory serves each App is a silo not allowed to know about the existence of other Apps and so of course that can't work....
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Also, does anyone (besides you) actually use them?
On desktop that is.Xbox Play Anywhere.
Games like Gears of War 4 are only available on PC on Windows 10.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Or that the new MS Office is UWP.
Microsoft's gotta Microsoft
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
need Windows 10 something something
Name the circumstance then.
Vidja gaems (see here).
- So far only those by Microsoft Studios. What they've done to Edinburgh in Forza looks amazing (if you're into that sort of thing).
- There's a couple others that (optionally) require DirectX 12 for some minor things.
- Now there's this DX-R thing (which, as it happens, was about to arrive with the 1809 update). I fully expect ray-tracing is here to stay.
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@Parody said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@boomzilla said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Zerosquare
And that'll be the last of your files, while we're at it.(https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9l128k/warning_1809_upgrade_misplaceddeleted_files_in/)
So not everyone got those, "Your files are right where you left them" messages, eh?
I guess not. Microsoft pulled the update for investigation:
That's two in a row now.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
What they've done to Edinburgh in Forza looks amazing
Made it into Ground Zero for a 500 megaton thermonuclear explosion? That'd be pretty amazingâŚ
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@dkf said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
What they've done to Edinburgh in Forza looks amazing
Made it into Ground Zero for a 500 megaton thermonuclear explosion? That'd be pretty amazingâŚ
From what I've heard about Edinburgh, a 500 MT nuke would only improve the property values...
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
2 words: Project Centennial.
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
2 words: Project Centennial.
It's called the Desktop Bridge now.
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@Parody said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
2 words: Project Centennial.
It's called the Desktop Bridge now.
I couldn't remember what the official name was now. Point is those apps are not UWP. (Ours is a full-fledged C++/Win32 app)
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@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit I like to think of myself more as a humorist.
As in you hate humour? That explains a lot of your posts
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@Jaloopa said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Polygeekery said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit I like to think of myself more as a humorist.
As in you hate humour? That explains a lot of your posts
As the resident German I have to strongly protest: The only people incapable of humor are us Germans.
Get it right, people!
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@Rhywden would you say it's important for you to apologise for the conduct of your people during ze var?
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra This is the Microsoft Store window. Stuff that is sold in the Microsoft Store is UWP.
And since UWP is exactly equal to .Net I can rest assured that therefore the "new" office is rewritten in .Net?
That's begging the question, isn't it?
Why are you asking me? You're the genius arguer.
It was rhetorical. UWP is not exactly equal to .NET.
I'm sorry, I couldn't tell. You've told me in the past that .Net was critical in UWP apps (such as Settings), so I logically assumed that .Net is an essential core aspect of what a UWP is (and therefore must necessarily be the basis for UWP apps).
Foolish me, for trusting your word, I know.
.NET is critical for UWP apps to work correctly, yes. The apps themselves can either be .NET, PWA, or Win32, although the latter won't work on non-desktop systems such as Xbox.
There's some things you should untangle here:
- UWP is based on a new API, the Windows Runtime (WinRT).
- WinRT is based on COM, not .NET.
- While you can use some of the .NET languages to write WinRT applications, they are restricted to a subset of the .NET library and are compiled to native code. They don't use the .NET Framework.
- You are also limited to a subset of Win32, whether or not you're using a .NET language.
- UWP applications (that aren't PWAs) can also be made with HTML and JavaScript.
- Non-UWP applications originally couldn't use the WinRT APIs. Only recently did Microsoft open up some of the WinRT APIs to Win32, .NET, and other applications through Project Centennial/the Desktop Bridge.
- PWAs may also be distributed through the Store and given permission to call the WinRT APIs.
- Microsoft, being the creator of all this, can do whatever the hell it wants. (Ex: desktop Office in "WinRT Only" Windows 8.)
For more information, "What's a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) app?" may be a good place to start.
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@Jaloopa That's a bit of a non-sequitur right there?
In case you don't know what a non-sequitur is: It's a rather sharp turn to something not following from the previous discussion.
No need to thank me. Seriously, don't mention it.