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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Wait, you can have more than a single external display now?
I used to do it occasionally at work 8 years ago. Why?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Wait, you can have more than a single external display now?
I used to do it occasionally at work 8 years ago. Why?
Aiui most Macs today simply Dangit handle that.
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@Tsaukpaetra Regular M1/M2 (or older Intel) MacBooks, yes, as the GPU can only handle two displays (internal + external). Anything with a better GPU can handle more, though. The Max versions can handle up to 5 displays (internal + 4 external).
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I can't move this VS Code window because the title bar now includes the menu bar, the search, forward and back buttons, and the layout toolbar.Pressing alt-space (or possibly clicking or right-clicking the application icon in the top left of the window) should open a dropdown menu which includes a move option.
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I can't move this VS Code window because the title bar now includes the menu bar, the search, forward and back buttons, and the layout toolbar.Pressing alt-space (or possibly clicking or right-clicking the application icon in the top left of the window) should open a dropdown menu which includes a move option.
He didn't ask for help :blow_up_car_sales_balloon:
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And, of course, if you try to use the part of the title bar that actually shows the title, i.e. the document name, it opens something to rename the file. That's probably got something to do with the above, too.
If I'm not mistaken, that's a Mac-ism. However, most Mac apps don't also use their titlebar as an overflow bin for interface elements
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If I'm not mistaken, that's a Mac-ism. However, most Mac apps don't also use their titlebar as an overflow bin for interface elements
They also keep them thinner than is common on Windows.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Dangit
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And, of course, if you try to use the part of the title bar that actually shows the title, i.e. the document name, it opens something to rename the file. That's probably got something to do with the above, too.
If I'm not mistaken, that's a Mac-ism. However, most Mac apps don't also use their titlebar as an overflow bin for interface elements
True, I missed that.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in UI Bites:
I have yet to see any of those "better than anything else" features in the window manager.
Don't know if this is still a thing, but for a long time you could command-click on the file name in the title bar of pretty much any window associated with a file, and you'd get a pop-up menu of the folder hierarchy where the file is located. Selecting a folder in the menu would open that folder in Finder. Haven't seen anything like that in any other OS and it is / was extremely handy in some situations.
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
the folder
Nowadays you're not expected to know what a
clitorisfolder is, or how to find it.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
the folder
Nowadays you're not expected to know what a
clitorisfolder is, or how to find it.If you knew what a folder is, you wouldn't need to buy cloud storage. Can't have that.
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@Tsaukpaetra Of course they're gonna know what File Explorer is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got Linus Tech Tips don't they?
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@Tsaukpaetra Of course they're gonna know what File Explorer is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got Linus Tech Tips don't they?That song is totally due for a reimagination.
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
Don't know if this is still a thing, but for a long time you could command-click on the file name in the title bar of pretty much any window associated with a file, and you'd get a pop-up menu of the folder hierarchy where the file is located.
It still does, and it’s very useful if you don’t know where the file is hiding but want to work with it anyway. Also, something hardly anyone seems to know, is that you can drag the file icon that’s in the title bar and it will behave just like when you’re dragging a file around in the Finder — easy moving stuff to any open Finder window, for example, or dropping it on another application to open it in that without having to hunt down the file in the Finder first.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra Of course they're gonna know what File Explorer is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got Linus Tech Tips don't they?That song is totally due for a reimagination.
So won't the real @Tsaukpaetra please stand up?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra Of course they're gonna know what File Explorer is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got Linus Tech Tips don't they?That song is totally due for a reimagination.
So won't the real @Tsaukpaetra please stand up?
Guess who's back... back again... @Tsaukpaetra's back, tell a friend
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@loopback0 said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra Of course they're gonna know what File Explorer is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got Linus Tech Tips don't they?That song is totally due for a reimagination.
So won't the real @Tsaukpaetra please stand up?
Guess who's back... back again... @Tsaukpaetra's back, tell a friend
@Tsaukpaetra's back, all-right!
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
Don't know if this is still a thing, but for a long time you could command-click on the file name in the title bar of pretty much any window associated with a file, and you'd get a pop-up menu of the folder hierarchy where the file is located. Selecting a folder in the menu would open that folder in Finder.
I didn't know this was even a thing until seeing this post the other day, but I checked and it is still one.
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Speaking of Finder: It has a horrible mix of folder view and tree view. So when you have a folder open you can expand sub-folders and their contents. Just operations can happen on the currently open parent folder and not the selected sub-folder. So me trying to create a new folder in one of the sub-folders and it just kept creating it in the parent folder until I opened the sub-folder properly.
Also, Apple has not figured this whole thing about drag-and-drop. Or cut-and-paste. I wanted to move a file from Downloads to Documents. Nope, can't just drag the file from the folder to the quickbar on the left to do that. Also, can't use the cut command. You have to copy the files and then delete the originals. Adding pointless steps to a common operation is such good UX...
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I wanted to move a file from Downloads to Documents. Nope, can't just drag the file from the folder to the quickbar on the left to do that.
Yes you can.
Also, can't use the cut command. You have to copy the files and then delete the originals. Adding pointless steps to a common operation is such good UX...
You need to use Copy then Move (Cmd+Option+V) instead of Paste. It's still dumber than just implementing Cut & Paste for files but it's only one step.
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@loopback0 He didn't ask for help. He wants it to just work identically to what he learnt first.
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@dkf I just want it to work the same way as every other (sane) OS does it. There is enough as it is. I like many parts of macOS, but Finder isn't one of them.
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Another fun macOS-ism that has come up lately is that you have to approve if apps wants to access certain folders. Leading to me having to do stuff like tell macOS that Microsoft Office is indeed allowed to access the OneDrive folder.
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@Atazhaia Although for compatibility that would never fly on Windows, it's actually a decent cryptolocker defense.
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Microsoft Office is indeed allowed to access the OneDrive folder.
Denied!
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@TwelveBaud said in UI Bites:
@Atazhaia Although for compatibility that would never fly on Windows, it's actually a decent cryptolocker defense.
They tried it already. Not sure what happened to it.
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@Tsaukpaetra It's part of the integrity level system used in Metro/UWP/WinUI/etc apps and old-Edge. Applications running at low integrity level don't have permissions to access a bunch of stuff, including users' Documents folders. Metro apps can ask the OS to pop a file chooser and, if and only if the user selects a file, the OS opens the file on the app's behalf and gives it a handle to read/write. For Windows Phone, HoloLens, and Xbox, it stops there, but Windows Desktop has and Windows RT had the ability for apps to list as a required permission e.g. "Use your Photos library", or "Use the file system", or "Use all system resources"', which lets it do what those say. As for what happened to it, it's still here, but most apps aren't Metro apps, most Metro apps people use come with the system (so all requested permissions pre-approved), and most Metro apps people install have ridiculously overbroad permissions that users blindly accept if they're even prompted about them.
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Waze now hides the speedometer in landscape mode. Someone decided to center it vertically instead of putting it at the bottom, so the "next turn" overlay often covers it.
Brillant!
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@boomzilla Well, you still have the speedometer on the dashboard, don't ya?
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@Bulb yeah...it's more that it hides the speed limit. Especially driving on unfamiliar roads, it's nice to have that handy.
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@boomzilla You still have that info also displayed in the dashboard, right?
(My car does that. And gets it thoroughly wrong sometimes. Computer vision is very imperfect due to the lack if common sense.)
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@boomzilla said in UI Bites:
@Bulb yeah...it's more that it hides the speed limit. Especially driving on unfamiliar roads, it's nice to have that handy.
Life hack: if you see a sudden bright flash on the side of the road, or a blue light and a siren that follows you, you know you're over the limit.
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if you see a sudden bright flash on the side of the road
But beware: there's a bug in the implementation. Sometimes there's no visible flash, but you still get a fine.
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@Zerosquare coincidentally this morning as I drove to work I saw something weird next to a road sign. As I reached it I saw it was a policeman setting up a speed trap camera partly hidden by the sign, with their car some way back on a side road.
With a portable speed trap and in broad daylight, yeah, there won't be any flash.
I didn't stop to complain about this bug.
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@boomzilla You still have that info also displayed in the dashboard, right?
(My car does that. And gets it thoroughly wrong sometimes. Computer vision is very imperfect due to the lack if common sense.)
Mine too. It's not so much that it misreads the signs, but it misreads situations where the absence of signs means the speed limit changes.
It's generally pretty reliable if it has mapping data, though I haven't been through significant road works since I originally took the test drive.
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It's not so much that it misreads the signs, but it misreads situations where the absence of signs means the speed limit changes.
Given those situations are contextual (different in different countries), somewhat nontrivial (portable signs are only valid for certain distance so they don't have to bother setting up the end ones) and often depend on “obviously” (is that a road joining here, which ends the limit, or a driveway, which does not?) it's no surprise.
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They are also country-specific, and possibly city-specific. I wonder how cars handle that when they don't get a GPS signal.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
They are also country-specific, and possibly city-specific. I wonder how cars handle that when they don't get a GPS signal.
Mine assumes the signs are valid until it sees another sign or an end sign, but the limit is displayed dimmed once you're a certain distance (or time, unsure) past the sign.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
They are also country-specific
I said that, didn't I
and possibly city-specific
The traffic laws do not. Though some cities may stretch them in various directions.
Mine assumes the signs are valid until it sees another sign or an end sign
That's mostly useless in Czechia. Most signs (not just speeds; most of them) end at the next junction. Only exceptions are those on big boards saying “ZŐNA” and a handful explicitly defined as zones like city limits. But speed limits, overtaking restrictions, stopping restrictions and all that stuff, all those end at next junction and you basically never ever see the end signs for them except occasionally on motorways. And even there a lot of speed restrictions are for sake of the on ramp and end implicitly by the ramp joining.
… but in Austria it is certainly not the case and speed limits apply until ended. Which means there is an end-of-speed limit after junctions that have reduced speed limit in front of them, something nobody would ever bother with in Czechia.
Also in Czechia the city limits sign resets the speed limit to the default, but in Austria it does not do that if there was an explicit speed limit posted.
… and then there is all the cases where they obviously forgot to place the end sign, but it's just obvious to human drivers.
@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
I wonder how cars handle that when they don't get a GPS signal.
Poorly, of course.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
I wonder how cars handle that when they don't get a GPS signal.
Poorly, of course.
Keep in mind, vehicles squinting toward autonomy do also carry more sensors than just GPS. So, they need not respond poorly when deprived of their primary positional sense - instead, they will respond in bizarre brain-damaged edge-case fashion.
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The traffic laws do not. Though some cities may stretch them in various directions.
Yes, this is country-specific. For example, if you drive past this sign in a city in France, what's the speed limit after it?
If you said "no longer 30 kph", you're right but you're a
smartassTDWTF member.If you said "the standard speed limit in urban areas, i.e. 50 kph", you could be wrong. Because a lower city-wide speed limit can exist, and it takes precedence. Your car can't know that unless it understands and remembers city-wide speed limits signs, and/or uses the GPS position to get the speed limit from a database.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
The traffic laws do not. Though some cities may stretch them in various directions.
Yes, this is country-specific. For example, if you drive past this sign in a city in France, what's the speed limit after it?
If you said "no longer 30 kph", you're right but you're a smartass.
If you said "the standard speed limit in urban areas, i.e. 50 kph", you could be wrong. Because a lower city-wide speed limit can exist, and it takes precedence. Your car can't know that unless it understands and remembers city-wide speed limits signs, and/or uses the GPS position to get the speed limit from a database.
This applies to your driver as well.
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Computer vision is very imperfect due to the lack if common sense
Sounds like it needs more IA ... and possibly a subscription service
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
Because a lower city-wide speed limit can exist, and it takes precedence.
In Quebec, the last posted speed limit is enforceable until there is another speed limit sign.
There is no "Fin de zone", only speed limit signs.
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Also in Czechia the city limits sign resets the speed limit to the default, but in Austria it does not do that if there was an explicit speed limit posted.
That's a really odd austriacism.
They have more stupid ideas: e.g. you have to pay toll for motorways in general, but have to pay additioanlly for special sections of the motorway (some tunnels, the Brenner pass road, ...).
Better don't drive thru
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@TimeBandit said in UI Bites:
@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
Because a lower city-wide speed limit can exist, and it takes precedence.
In Quebec, the last posted speed limit is enforceable until there is another speed limit sign.
There is no "Fin de zone", only speed limit signs.
This is true in (all? most? of — everywhere I've driven, anyway) in the US, too.
Edit: Almost. There are "End ... Zone" signs for some temporary restrictions, like school zones and construction zones, but these are usually (maybe not always?) accompanied by signs explicitly restating the normal speed limit.
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
Better don't drive
True, but the driving antipatterns thread is .