How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?
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@rad131304 They were comparing the number of installed copies that were actually being used... it sounds like it's counting the number of unique copies that connect to some Mozilla server when it calls home. Probably for Mozilla sync or something.
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@anotherusername Ah ok. Active Daily Installs sounded like a measure of people downloading the installer to me.
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@rad131304 I found the source for it a while back... I'll repost it:
Firefox tries to contact Mozilla once a day to check for security updates. This is called the “updater ping”. The ADI number is the aggregate number of these pings that were seen on a given day and can be understood as the number of running Firefox installs on that day.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@rad131304 I found the source for it a while back... I'll repost it:
Firefox tries to contact Mozilla once a day to check for security updates. This is called the “updater ping”. The ADI number is the aggregate number of these pings that were seen on a given day and can be understood as the number of running Firefox installs on that day.
@anotherusername Thanks.
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@twelvebaud said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
This is the new Firefox start menu tile.
You know which version DOESN'T have a stupid flat design?
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@magnusmaster said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@lorne-kates From what I've heard, Firefox extensions touch browser internals so deep that they can't refactor anything without breaking stuff.
BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4axJ9cSeXMU
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@twelvebaud You're fine. I just updated. To 57.0. My first reaction - "OMFG! What did they do???"
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@dcon I've been running dev edition for a while (running 57 for about 2 months) now and after migrating to replacement extensions my main issues are
- context menu API is buggy on linux/os x, so gestures don't cause the context menu to be suppressed, which pretty much breaks gestures
- gestures can only be performed on web pages. blank/empty tabs, or browser error pages don't count as web pages. so the gestures won't be recognized/addons won't run on those pages
- this is a minor annoyance, but why can't I move the pancakes button? are they worried that grumpy cat will become hard to find if the user moves a menu that 90% of people don't even click on? I moved most of the buttons and icons in my installation to the top left so it's kind of annoying leaving that one thing all the way on the other side of the window.
- extensions don't run on addons.mozilla.org
debugging extensions is also a pain in the ass. but my only other experience with extensions was writing jetpack extensions for the older (but not old-old) FF version and throwing together a chrome extension, and in both cases it sucked massively.
i'm just going to rant here, but you know what happens if your extension encounters an exception/JS/scripting error? fucking nothing! you don't immediately get a dialog, or stack trace, or notification unless you manually load up the extension debugging tools and refresh/re-run your script. it's a really annoying cycle, especially when the browser debugging tools take a few seconds to load every time.
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@bb36e My first reaction was because of the caption. Oh wait. There is no caption bar anymore.
edit: I posted the previous comment immediately after the upgrade.
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Filed under: here goes nothing
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@anotherusername The about box changes color.
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WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?!
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Also, GreaseMonkey is all kinds of fucked up now. BRB learning
async
/await
...
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@anotherusername Does Tampermonkey work better?
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@coderpatsy I don't know, but it would be a lot less frustrating if my userscript didn't just do literally nothing now.
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The extensions I use (tree-style-tab, uMatrix) were quickly updated for the new API.
After the fact, I guess the panic was an overexaggeration :)
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Fucking hell. The userscript is doing something -- but I'm not sure if it's doing something on this computer, on which Firefox is updated, or if it's actually working on my laptop at home (which would be quite a surprise, since it's been idle and normally the socket disconnects itself with great prejudice when it's idle, despite my script's efforts to keep the connection awake).
I'm disinclined to believe that it's doing anything on this computer, because a fucking
console.log
stuck at the very top of the script doesn't produce any output whatsoever.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?!
Huh, they ditched the rounded Australis tabs...
At least the current tab is clearly visible, something which I missed when my Linux box displayed it as beige on gray.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Also, GreaseMonkey is all kinds of fucked up now. BRB learning
async
/await
...I had the greasemonkey page auto-open on upgrade - so I installed. The only script I use if fbpurity, so I'll have to see how Facebook is behaving...
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OH MY FUCKING GOD.
I figured it out.
Userscripts cannot end with a
//
comment line (anymore). It totally breaks the userscript.
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The userscript still doesn't work, mind. The
console.log
is at least getting executed now though.edit: apparently the
DOMContentLoaded
event just isn't happening for some reason. Even though the userscript is set to run atdocument-start
.I turned the
DOMContentLoaded
event handler function into an immediately-executed anonymous function (it has to be a function; more specifically, it has to be anasync function
, because it usesawait
) and it seems to be working now.
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My userscript (a Remy Revealer) is broken too. I don't think my use case is all that weird -- use jQuery to find and manipulate DOM nodes -- and the errors I'm getting make no sense. Apparently even though I
@require
jQuery in userscript scope I don't get it at all, trying to use the page's jQuery causes aSecurityError
when asking "is this thing a Comment node?", and trying to just push the entire userscript body into the page fails silently.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
OH MY FUCKING GOD.
I figured it out.
Userscripts cannot end with a
//
comment line (anymore). It totally breaks the userscript.WTF Bites is
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Another thing... most of this shit didn't used to be in the console, and it isn't fucking helping matters while I'm trying to debug my userscript:
(No
console.log
in the screenshot -- I tried moving it into a function that should be running, but clearly isn't.)
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Seven out of my ten extensions are legacy. Boy, the Firefoxalypse is going to suck.
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OMFG
The bookmarks menu is TOTALLY fucked. What goddamn order is that ??? It's not the order when I say "show all".
DON'T FUCKING SORT MY BOOKMARKS!!!
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Oh look, they re-added the stupid fucking 'Pockets' icon that nobody uses.
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Is it possible to run new Firefox and old Firefox simultaneously?
I need Java, but only for one thing.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Oh look, they re-added the stupid fucking 'Pockets' icon that nobody uses.
I seem to have avoided that...
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@anotherusername I've been using ViolentMonkey and that works perfectly.
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@dcon said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Oh look, they re-added the stupid fucking 'Pockets' icon that nobody uses.
I seem to have avoided that...
Did you check your address bar, next to the bookmark "star" icon?
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I really had mixed feelings about this before the update. On the one hand, my work computer will not get updated because I definitely need the tab groups extension. On the other hand, they made huge promises about how fast Stylo is. So, I guess, let's just update it on the MacBook and try it out...
I should have been warned by the weird and unnecessary change of the logo, as the old one was unanimously better. But eh, so what, right?
Ok, updating, restarting, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
Who let fucking Jony Ive piss all over the user interface? First he brings this stupid flat fad to Apple, then Windows 8/10 copies it, then everybody else. What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.I haven't used it extensively enough to judge the speed improvements under the hood. But Stylo better be really fucking good to make up for this Photon bullshit.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Is it possible to run new Firefox and old Firefox simultaneously?
I need Java, but only for one thing.
Okay... yes... I was able to have them installed separately (
Program Files
andProgram Files (x86)
). I had to create a separate profile for the 'alternate' instance (x86) and create a shortcut to run:"C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -P "x86" -no-remote
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@topspin ah yes, the URL bar has love handles now
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@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
I've just checked, you can remove the blank space in the Customize view. It appears there's a "Flexible Space" item on either side of the address bar by default.
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Just installed Firefox 57. QUANTUM !!
Much to my surprise, it doesn't completely suck.
It has some issues -- it's still ugly and I can't find a decent theme that works, it's still missing some features that were retained by its less retarded cousin Palemoon, and AdBlock doesn't seem to work quite right. But page rendering IS quite fast. So there's that.
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I was able to kinda fix the awful shitty tabs bar in Customize:
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@jbert said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
I've just checked, you can remove the blank space in the Customize view. It appears there's a "Flexible Space" item on either side of the address bar by default.
Cool, thanks. Without having tried it, I guess this increased the size to 30%?
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Ok... I think I've got it customized to approximately how I want it...
And you can't tell in the customization mode, but I've also removed Pocket from the address bar.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?!
They seem to have made something that looks great on Windows 10 and forgot that some people still use Windows 7.
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Can anyone suggest a replacement for this addon?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gtranslate/
I'm using it all the time. It's the only one holding me back.
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@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
When you find yourself copying IE, you should just stop.
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@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Is it possible to run new Firefox and old Firefox simultaneously?
Yes, but you need to disable update checks in the old Firefox, use a different profile (-P
to invoke manager,-P [name]
to use), and use--no-remote
so it doesn't see the other one.@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
Bug in the profile migration code. There's supposed to be a thin vertical line between the left buttons, the awesomebar, and the right buttons, but it became a "flexible space" instead. You can remove it in Customize to reclaim the space.Man, batting 0 for 2 today...
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@gąska I would like to retain the workflow. "Select some text, right-click, and the translation appears right in the context menu." I only found ones that can open Google Translate in a separate tab or a pop-up panel.
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@marczellm WebExtensions can't change the title of their context menu items in response to a context menu open like page script can; it can only act when their items are clicked. Thanks Chrome!
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@jbert said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@dcon said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@anotherusername said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Oh look, they re-added the stupid fucking 'Pockets' icon that nobody uses.
I seem to have avoided that...
Did you check your address bar, next to the bookmark "star" icon?
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@jbert Oh, and:
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@jbert said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I've just checked, you can remove the blank space in the Customize view. It appears there's a "Flexible Space" item on either side of the address bar by default.
Oh, thank you. That shit's gone now.