Getting hyper loop vibes...
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@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Well, whether that's practical or not depends on how quickly it charges - What's the charge time on Teslas? If it's reasonable to charge it within, for example, a meal time, that would work. But if it takes 3 hours to charge, that gets pretty impractical...
It would have to be less than that to be truly practical. I have covered 600-700 miles in a day driving for vacations.
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@Polygeekery Taking 5 to 10 minutes at the gas station really extends your journey time by about 15 minutes.
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@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Well, whether that's practical or not depends on how quickly it charges - What's the charge time on Teslas? If it's reasonable to charge it within, for example, a meal time, that would work. But if it takes 3 hours to charge, that gets pretty impractical...
It would have to be less than that to be truly practical. I have covered 600-700 miles in a day driving for vacations.
Well, I suppose that depends on your definition of practical :P
I personally would be fine with a hour recharge every 400 miles or so, since that's usually when I'd take a break for a meal anyways. But yea, if you're planning on driving the whole way with no stops (ow!), that wouldn't work...
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@lucas1 said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler The range they quote is a top end estimate. That is driving at 55mph on a perfectly flat road with no wind against you etc etc.
Who drives at 55mph anyway? On the stretch of my commute that dips into Mexico, the flow of traffic seems to be around 75-80.
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@Groaner said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@lucas1 said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler The range they quote is a top end estimate. That is driving at 55mph on a perfectly flat road with no wind against you etc etc.
Who drives at 55mph anyway? On the stretch of my commute that dips into Mexico, the flow of traffic seems to be around 75-80.
Grandmas and trucks.
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@Groaner I normally drive on a motorway much faster. M40 average speed is about 95mph. I was in the slow lane by doing a more sensible 80-90.
In the UK cops won't pull you over unless you are doing over 100 it seems.
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@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
When this is market-ready, that 335-mile Tesla will have a range of around 670 miles, easily competitive with your 700-mile car.
How long will it take to charge? My vehicle only has a range of about 300 miles, but I can refuel it in a few minutes. Electric cars take many hours to fully charge.
It might could work if you could drive without air resistance.
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@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Groaner said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Who drives at 55mph anyway?
Grandmas and trucks.
Why do US trucks drive so slowly? European trucks go 56mph, which is way faster! :P
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@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Which is plenty practical for @Polygeekery's 400-mile trip.
Well, whether that's practical or not depends on how quickly it charges - What's the charge time on Teslas? If it's reasonable to charge it within, for example, a meal time, that would work. But if it takes 3 hours to charge, that gets pretty impractical...
About half an hour at a Supercharger station.
@Dragoon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
To make an electric car that works for road trips it needs to get 300-400 miles per charge and have a recharge time of <1hr. (that allows for a 1hr break every ~6hrs which most road trips will allow for)
Yup.
Oh, it also needs to be able to do this without a complicated infrastructure change. (so not some special recharging station that won't exist in 99% of the US).
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@RaceProUK said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Why do US trucks drive so slowly?
Traffic. Seriously...lots of them will go plenty fast. Actually, local law enforcement is probably the biggest reason.
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@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
But yea, if you're planning on driving the whole way with no stops (ow!), that wouldn't work...
Stop to take a piss and stretch your legs. Maybe grab a quick bite to eat. Other than that, keep trucking and get to where we are going. But no hour stops unless the kids are losing their shit.
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@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Oh, it also needs to be able to do this without a complicated infrastructure change. (so not some special recharging station that won't exist in 99% of the US).
Uh...for really bad versions of "all over."
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@lucas1 BTW if they have a Ranger Rover Sport cops will never pull them over.
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@RaceProUK no actually European trucks are restricted to 67mph. UK trucks are limited to 56mph.
BTW ever been in a 50mph average speed limit (M40? while going past birmingham) under construction I used to get overtaken by lorries and I was doing about 50 mph (UK speed cameras give you 10% leeway, so if you fine out you are going say 54 for a while you just do like 45 for the same amount of time, unless it is a speed trap then you are fucked ... 3 points, fine and some other stuff).
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@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
They're all over already.
Good thing people only ever travel on big interstates and travel through large cities.
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@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Groaner said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@lucas1 said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler The range they quote is a top end estimate. That is driving at 55mph on a perfectly flat road with no wind against you etc etc.
Who drives at 55mph anyway? On the stretch of my commute that dips into Mexico, the flow of traffic seems to be around 75-80.
Grandmas and trucks.
My grandfather was appalled that I had my foot on the gas while on a downhill slope in the 370z* we were riding in. Esprit d'escalier suggests I should have asked, "Haven't you heard of the Oberth effect?"
*I was disappointed. It had no torque below 3000 RPM. Of course, my daily driver has a 6.2L V8 with a positive displacement supercharger, so maybe I'm biased about what constitutes low-end grunt.
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@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
They're all over already.
Yeah, about that...
They need more of them.
Oh, and they need to not kill the batteries:
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@boomzilla said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
When this is market-ready, that 335-mile Tesla will have a range of around 670 miles, easily competitive with your 700-mile car.
How long will it take to charge? My vehicle only has a range of about 300 miles, but I can refuel it in a few minutes. Electric cars take many hours to fully charge.
It might could work if you could drive without air resistance.
You naysayers are such a drag.
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@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
About half an hour at a Supercharger station.
What do these yuppie bastards do for a half hour while waiting on their car to charge? I can pump ~20 gallons of gas in just a few minutes and be back on my way.
@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Yup.
Where are these Supercharger stations located at? Are there restaurants nearby, so you can go grab that bite to eat while on your trip? You have to get the recharging down to ~5 minutes and not kill the batteries in the process for me to be interested in driving one long distance.
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@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
What do these yuppie bastards do for a half hour while waiting on their car to charge?
Buy and eat a feta cheese salad?
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@RaceProUK said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Buy and eat a feta cheese salad?
Are you trying to trigger @masonwheeler?
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@Dragoon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Like electric cars not being practical,
When did electric cars become practical?
They actually did for the Deutsche Post - they're building their own electric cars for their delivery men because the current offerings by the usual suspects didn't quite cover their usage pattern.
It has become that much of a success that other companies are interested in their product.
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@boomzilla said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Hmm....
Maybe she prefers to be the one doing the boring?
@sloosecannon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Grandmas and trucks.
And half of Dallas-area drivers (the other half are driving 80+ mph).
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Driving through tunnels is a horrible experience. There's a 5km one they built in Slovakia to go through the mountains instead of around it.
It might save some time but it makes your eyes go crazy.
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@Rhywden said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
They actually did for the Deutsche Post - they're building their own electric cars for their delivery men because the current offerings by the usual suspects didn't quite cover their usage pattern.
It has become that much of a success that other companies are interested in their product.Interesting. Do you have a link? Preferably in English so there is no Google Translate fuckery?
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@Rhywden said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Deutsche Post - they're building their own electric cars for their delivery men
Sounds like local short-distance driving, with lots of downtime between trips to allow the batteries to be recharged.
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@hungrier said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Sounds like local short-distance driving, with lots of downtime between trips to allow the batteries to be recharged.
Just like my favorite electric vehicles.
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@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Rhywden said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
They actually did for the Deutsche Post - they're building their own electric cars for their delivery men because the current offerings by the usual suspects didn't quite cover their usage pattern.
It has become that much of a success that other companies are interested in their product.Interesting. Do you have a link? Preferably in English so there is no Google Translate fuckery?
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@coldandtired WAT? Driven through plenty of tunnels. It is like driving normally ... except the radio doesn't work.
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@sloosecannon Well that is fine you don't. But I do.
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Marcus Springer, 43, became one of the first StreetScooter drivers in 2013, when he switched from a VW diesel transporter to an early version of the e-van in Hamburg. Since the start of 2015, he’s been using the latest model on his daily 19-kilometer (12 mile) route.
A postal worker that only has a 12 mile route? What does he do the rest of the day?
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@Polygeekery In the UK postmen used to cycle their deliver routes. Now they walk it.
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@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Marcus Springer, 43, became one of the first StreetScooter drivers in 2013, when he switched from a VW diesel transporter to an early version of the e-van in Hamburg. Since the start of 2015, he’s been using the latest model on his daily 19-kilometer (12 mile) route.
A postal worker that only has a 12 mile route? What does he do the rest of the day?
In Hamburg? That's most likely a high-density area.
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@Polygeekery Start and stop a lot, and spend way more time actually delivering the mail than getting to the delivery site. (Especially if the site includes apartment complexes, office buildings or similar, where there are many different recipients at a single physical location!)
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@Rhywden said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
Marcus Springer, 43, became one of the first StreetScooter drivers in 2013, when he switched from a VW diesel transporter to an early version of the e-van in Hamburg. Since the start of 2015, he’s been using the latest model on his daily 19-kilometer (12 mile) route.
A postal worker that only has a 12 mile route? What does he do the rest of the day?
In Hamburg? That's most likely a high-density area.
Drive 12 miles, walk 20 miles delivering door to door in areas without curbside mailboxes. That makes sense.
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@lucas1 said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@coldandtired WAT? Driven through plenty of tunnels. It is like driving normally ... except the radio doesn't work.
There are only a handful of tunnels in England longer than a couple of hundred metres, and the longest is less than half the length of the one I mentioned.
5 kilometres in a perfectly straight line with no references hurts your eyes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JoOE84N64g
I used to be able to get close to this level of speed through traffic but there was a bit where I would freak out if there was a large enough vehicle.
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@Polygeekery Indeed. And even in the more rural areas the distance covered would most likely only double.
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@Rhywden said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
And even in the more rural areas the distance covered would most likely only double.
Really? I would imagine that here a rural postal driver would cover 100+ miles.
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@Polygeekery Maybe in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern which is very sparsely populated. The other states ... not so much :)
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@Polygeekery I dunno about Germany but the post office is normally within 10-20 miles tbh and it was mostly done by bicycle in the past.
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@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Rhywden said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
And even in the more rural areas the distance covered would most likely only double.
Really? I would imagine that here a rural postal driver would cover 100+ miles.
I doubt that.
Like I said in a different thread, I grew up rural. Tiny little town, maybe a population of 100 or so. It had a local post office. (They didn't deliver; you went to the post office to pick up your mail.)
The nearest towns were about 6 miles this way or 7 miles that way. They both had their own post offices. There's not that much room for huge routes like that.
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@masonwheeler I think we have to remember that the UK is very small compared to the US. Spain is massive and you need to know how to drive because public transport was mostly shit (the bus waiting for me while I finished my beer and nobody gave a fuck).
USA is much larger still.
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@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@Polygeekery said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
If it were just that easy, it would have already been done.
That's just the thing. It's not easy. Which is why it takes some real talent to accomplish it. (See also: SpaceX, improving greatly on literal rocket science.)
There's one major difference. Up until SpaceX came along, space flight was entirely dominated by government programs. Not programs contracted by the government, but programs actually run by the government. There was no need to turn a profit, so no need to reduce the bottom line, and so no pressing need to reduce waste. Plus, with the shrinking budget at NASA, why not just stick with proven rocket designs? In short, government programs like NASA don't have any sort of strong encouragement to replace something that works.
On the other hand, public construction projects, like tunnelling, are contracted out to private companies. Private companies need to make a profit, and the bigger the profit, the better. If a job can be done in less time for the same money, that means that workers are paid less for the job, which means more profit (usually). Private companies have an incentive to find ways to improve efficiency where government programs don't, because they have to worry about the bottom line.
That's a big part of why it's easy to believe that SpaceX could improve on rocket retrieval, while doubting that massive increases in tunneling speed could be accomplished.
@Dragoon said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@masonwheeler said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
They're all over already.
Good thing people only ever travel on big interstates and travel through large cities.
Define "large cities." Would Phoenix qualify? Because there's only a single charging station on the western edge of the entire Phoenix Metro Area. And we have two big interstates!
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@abarker Didn't know you were a capitalist.
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@masonwheeler If you are 6 miles from several towns, you did not grow up rural.
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@Dragoon Depends what is a town. My "town" when I was born was a small fishing village. Now it has hundreds of cunts living there that have no idea about the town's history.
FFS we used to have real pirates living here.
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@lucas1 said in Getting hyper loop vibes...:
@abarker Didn't know you were a capitalist.
American, capitalist. What's the difference?
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Yeah, phoenix counts as a "large" city, if simply for the college.
But I was speaking more of the common practice to drive back roads (sometimes, really far back roads, that you arn't really sure if they are actually roads) to see other parts of the US.