Hacking the Deere
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@accalia said in Hacking the Deere:
I ain't risking it again.
My only bad food poisoning was from some kind of vegetable soup in Peru.
It's best to avoid food, just to be safe.
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@RaceProUK said in Hacking the Deere:
Maybe I'm just lucky?
If you're eating seafood? Maybe, but not in a good way.
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@boomzilla Why wouldn't I eat sea food? After all, I'm !
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@LaoC said in Hacking the Deere:
It's best to avoid food, just to be safe.
The health coach coming to my work soon would agree
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@RaceProUK said in Hacking the Deere:
@boomzilla Why wouldn't I eat sea food? After all, I'm !
See there? More bad luck!
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@Jaloopa Adopt a diet free from the benefits of yoga? Do they not understand how to food?
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@RaceProUK There's very little overlap between nutrition and the benefits of yoga, so that's technically not too bad. The apparent advice to avoid any physical matter in your diet is a bit more problematic.
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@izzion said in Hacking the Deere:
I would expect it isn't worth their time to have two different production process for American and European markets
Companies put out different versions of their products for different markets all the time. And, in this case, all they would have to do differently is make it easier for European repair shops to get a copy of the authorization software. They don't actually have to put out a different product, just have a different internal process in place for two different regions. That's easy, especially since the regions are probably handled by completely different branches of the company.
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@accalia said in Hacking the Deere:
yeah. seafood ain't food. it's food poisoning in waiting.
Easy fix: Only eat fish as whole pieces, and only eat those if they don't smell "fishy". Seafood past its due date is easy to recognize unless it's processed and mixed with a lot of other stuff.
I've had food poisoning exactly once, because I was stupid/hungry enough to eat a tuna pizza that smelled weird. Since then, I've been very careful and never had that particular problem again.
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@accalia said in Hacking the Deere:
because multiple days of constant output from both ends will stick in the mind.
I was in hospital for three days. I figuratively wouldn't have survived without pain killers (extremely painful bowel cramps) and I literally wouldn't have survived without an IV.
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@RaceProUK said in Hacking the Deere:
I've never had an issue with supermarket seafood.
Yes, but that's because you are lucky enough to live in a country with sane food regulations
(and unluckily for you, you are soon going to leave the body that promoted these regulations )
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@RaceProUK said in Hacking the Deere:
@boomzilla Why wouldn't I eat sea food? After all, I'm !
So am I, but the only stuff I'll eat that comes out of the sea is fish, you know, fish, that swim and don't have shells ever.(1) Shellfish are not fish, and despite the culinary terminology here in , they aren't fruit either(2). There are a lot of restaurants round where I live that serve at least some stuff like mussels, oysters, and similar, and there's one chain where all their dishes feature mussels. No chance you're getting me to eat mussels, though.
(1) In a pinch, you might persuade me to eat shrimps, crab, or lobsters, I guess.
(2) Fruits de mer.(3)
(3) It's a joke.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
No chance you're getting me to eat mussels, though.
If you're talking about these, I completely agree:
(Well, I have eaten them in the past, but I don't really like them.)
If you're talking about these, though, you're missing something:
They're absolutely delicious.
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@asdf said in Hacking the Deere:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
No chance you're getting me to eat mussels, though.
If you're talking about these, I completely agree:
(Well, I have eaten them in the past, but I don't really like them.)
If you're talking about these, though, you're missing something:
They're absolutely delicious.
The top picture is, indeed, of mussels. To be avoided unless you know the secret of decoding which ones were dead when the cooking process began. (Or, if eating them raw, which ones are already dead. Do not eat the ones that are already dead.)
The bottom picture is of scallops, known in French as St Jacques. If their rules on when to not eat them are like the ones for mussels, then what I'm missing is food poisoning.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
The top picture is, indeed, of mussels. [β¦]
The bottom picture is of scallopsI always forget that in English, "mussels" is not the general term. In German, "Muscheln" is the general term. Language fail on my part, I should return my C2 certificate.
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
If their rules on when to not eat them are like the ones for mussels
Dunno, I've never prepared them myself. But I've never had a bad one.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
The top picture is, indeed, of mussels. To be avoided unless you know the secret of decoding which ones were dead when the cooking process began. (Or, if eating them raw, which ones are already dead. Do not eat the ones that are already dead.)
The rule I always learned was, after cooking them if the shells haven't opened up during the cooking process, don't eat that one. Following that rule, I've never gotten sick from eating clams or mussels.
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@masonwheeler said in Hacking the Deere:
The rule I always learned was,
after cooking them if the shells haven't opened up during the cooking process, don't eat that onedon't eat clams or mussels. Following that rule, I've never gotten sick from eating clams or mussels.FTFM
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@masonwheeler said in Hacking the Deere:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
The top picture is, indeed, of mussels. To be avoided unless you know the secret of decoding which ones were dead when the cooking process began. (Or, if eating them raw, which ones are already dead. Do not eat the ones that are already dead.)
The rule I always learned was, after cooking them if the shells haven't opened up during the cooking process, don't eat that one. Following that rule, I've never gotten sick from eating clams or mussels.
It's also a rule easy to follow, given the fact that mussel shells are somewhat hard to chew.
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@anonymous234 said in Hacking the Deere:
I bet half the people would have literally sold themselves as slaves to some company by now.
We haven't? I could have sworn Google was my overlord now... (For those with iPhones, make that Apple)
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@hungrier said in Hacking the Deere:
@RaceProUK That's been my experience as well, with both grocery and restaurant seafood. In fact I can't recall if I've ever been sick from seafood.
I have been twice, mildly (upset stomach, no ing). Both times was a sushi place. First time I figured was a fluke. 2nd, fuck off - never went back (later a friend told me they got sick too). They went out of business soon after. I still eat sushi.
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@anonymous234 said in Hacking the Deere:
The most important part of the article:
A license agreement John Deere required farmers to sign in October forbids nearly all repair and modification to farming equipment, and prevents farmers from suing for "crop loss, lost profits, loss of goodwill, loss of use of equipment β¦ arising from the performance or non-performance of any aspect of the software." The agreement applies to anyone who turns the key or otherwise uses a John Deere tractor with embedded software. It means that only John Deere dealerships and "authorized" repair shops can work on newer tractors.
People are way too eager to sign away their rights.
In this case, it sound like it was probably because they had the choice between signing or (since John Deere appears to be able to turn the tractors off remotely β or at least, the article says the farmers worry that they can) having to buy a new tractor:
On average, be prepared to pay anywhere from $45,000 for a lower end used model to as much as $200,000+ for a farm tractor equipped with all the accessories that you need.
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@Gurth said in Hacking the Deere:
since John Deere appears to be able to turn the tractors off remotely
That's even more fucked up. How can they get away with this shit ?
I would charge them with "hacking computerized equipment"
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@Gurth said in Hacking the Deere:
In this case, it sound like it was probably because they had the choice between signing or (since John Deere appears to be able to turn the tractors off remotely β or at least, the article says the farmers worry that they can) having to buy a new tractor:
So they bought the tractor without signing any contracts and were extorted afterward? That definitely should be illegal.
Sounds like a good way for failing companies to recover some bucks... keep your users' data or devices hostage and a lot of them will pay to get it back because they need it now.
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@anonymous234 said in Hacking the Deere:
So they bought the tractor without signing any contracts and were extorted afterward?
They would not get away with it here.
Even the Windows EULA is invalid here since nobody made me accept it before I bought the product.
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@izzion said in Hacking the Deere:
I would expect it isn't worth their time to have two different production process for American and European markets
Why not? I would expect that they do. Not all farm equipment is used on both sides of the pond, some requirements might differ, not even talking about customer preferences.
It's obvious a tactic to counter non-official parts and technicians so Deer could be in EU hot water for that alone.
@izzion said in Hacking the Deere:
Ability to authorize new transmission to work with tractor
Euh yeah ... but I can say it's the reason to maintain the tractor so it should be operational after maintenance.
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@accalia said in Hacking the Deere:
especially when you buy from a supermarket
you guys have crappy supermarkets
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@abarker said in Hacking the Deere:
That's easy, especially since the regions are probably handled by completely different branches of the company.
I'm counting 8 production plants in EU (oeps ... 7 after Brexit) under the Agriculture branch. So yeah ... why would they sell the same machine in the USA when they can sell it in EU for more by adding a leather seat. Or because the tires are required to be of a different type in some crazy country.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Hacking the Deere:
there's one chain where all their dishes feature mussels
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@Luhmann said in Hacking the Deere:
Moulle-frites are a national dish
Only when served with Belgian beer
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@TimeBandit
possibly but traditionally you use white wine during cooking
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@Luhmann So you get drunk while cooking ?
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@izzion said in Hacking the Deere:
Access to vehicle repair and maintenance information
I'd call a secret handshake that Deere's certified tech needs to perform "vehicle repair and maintenance information". It's information required to complete the repair.
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@TimeBandit said in Hacking the Deere:
That's even more fucked up. How can they get away with this shit ?
I would charge them with "hacking computerized equipment"
It's DRM. That's what it does. All DRM is inherently a hacking device; the only reason people don't get charged for it is because the DMCA explicitly legalizes and protects what would otherwise be criminal. (This is just one of many reasons why we need to repeal the DMCA and replace it with something sensible!)
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@masonwheeler it gets better. According to the article, in 2015 an exception was made specifically for people who needed to crack DRM in order to perform otherwise-legal repairs to land vehicles. Entirely coincidentally, Deere started requiring customers to contractually sign away that right shortly thereafter.
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@masonwheeler JD an Apple are fighting hard the "right to repair" bills.
Last year, industry lobbyists told lawmakers in Minnesota that broken glass could cut the fingers of consumers who try to repair their screens
edit: source
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@anotherusername Yeah. Which is why DRM needs to become illegal and such a contractual provision explicitly unenforceable. Because otherwise you end up with stupid crap like that.
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@TimeBandit
Cooking ... the @Polygeekery way
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@Luhmann said in Hacking the Deere:
@TimeBandit
Cooking ... the @Polygeekery wayGoddamn right. I make my best sauces when I am sauced.
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@Luhmann said in Hacking the Deere:
when they can sell it in EU for more by adding a leather seat.
You've not been in a modern tractor. They are pretty luxurious. We used to run fleets of them for use with pull scrapers. Air ride seats, climate control, heated and air conditioned seats, 6-speaker stereo systems, refrigerators, drink warmers...
Farmers spend 16 hour days in them. They are luxury machines.
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@Polygeekery said in Hacking the Deere:
They are luxury machines.
That was what I was hinting at ... luxury addons typically are a market depending.
Still ... even in the equipment and type of tractor depends per region because field size, soil, type of activity, ...
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@fbmac That's right, I was meaning to ask you what kind of cardboard goes best in chicken.
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@RaceProUK said in Hacking the Deere:
@Jaloopa Adopt a diet free from the benefits of yoga? Do they not understand how to food?
They don't understand how to grammar. Nor science for that matter.
Also, they're probably breatharian@Luhmann said in Hacking the Deere:
Moulle-frites are a national dish
I never understood that obsession. There's a Belgian restaurant here and while its selection of beers is fantastic, if overpriced, their fries are the absolute worst in town. Greasy, over-fried, brownish sticklets of what one can just hope was potato once. Horrible. I hate the bland McD shit but even that is better.
Well, maybe the dude is just stupid; I've never been to Belgium, maybe they're different there.
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@asdf said in Hacking the Deere:
Maybe there just hasn't been a lawsuit yet? Or the law only applies to cars, not special-purpose vehicles? (After all, only an excerpt was posted.) Who knows.
It was from a law specifically for heavy and agricultural vehicles. I forget the number but the original law only covered cars and the new law was added later with pretty identical wording.
Also, mussels are lovely with bacon, leek, cream, and cider.
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@asdf said in Hacking the Deere:
If you're talking about these, though, you're missing something:
They're absolutely delicious.
I've had scallops cooked by very good chefs, and they always seem rubbery and kind of bland. Not a fan
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@LaoC said in Hacking the Deere:
Greasy, over-fried, brownish sticklets of what one can just hope was potato once. Horrible.
how does anyone manage to consistently fuck fries up that badly?
It sounds like perhaps the temperature of their fryer isn't set properly, but that's the least of their problems really...
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@anotherusername said in Hacking the Deere:
how does anyone manage to consistently fuck fries up that badly?
I guess he's doing too much beer tasting on the side.
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@Jaloopa said in Hacking the Deere:
I've had scallops cooked by very good chefs, and they always seem rubbery and kind of bland.
There's really only two ways to go wrong with seafood:
- Not using fresh seafood.*
- Overcooking it.
It sounds like your "very good chefs" had both problems.
*Alton Brown had an interesting take on fresh seafood. He said that if the closest you can get to the ocean in an hour is watching "Hawaii 5-0" reruns, don't bother with seafood.
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@antiquarian said in Hacking the Deere:
There's really only two ways to go wrong with seafood:
There's really only one way to go wrong with seafood: eating it