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@RaceProUK I just want people to stop coming over to my desk. I'm sick of hearing my own name being said.
That being said, Lync is one of the slowest, chunkiest IM platforms I've ever had the displeasure of using, so it's pretty much understandable why people would just walk over here...
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@e4tmyl33t said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Polygeekery I have been tempted to set up a Slack for my team so that I don't have to have people walking over to my desk all the time, but that would probably get me hella fired should IT get wind of it (since we do have an IM client that nobody likes to use, since it's Lync)
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@e4tmyl33t I have not touched Lync for a while, does it still look like 2005 era MSN Messenger?
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@Polygeekery said in Because emoji are professional now:
@e4tmyl33t I have not touched Lync for a while, does it still look like 2005 era MSN Messenger?
The 2013 instance I have is a rebadged Skype for Business. So...maybe? Lookwise I don't have much problem with it, since it's not TOO cluttered with bullshit, but it takes it forever to launch and opening a new conversation sometimes takes ~30-60 seconds if the computer it's being done on is doing LITERALLY anything else.
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@e4tmyl33t Also, since they moved our email to the O365 backend, Lync keeps complaining about my Exchange credentials and never logs any of my chat history anymore, so there's that too.
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@e4tmyl33t Microsoft: It Always Works, Except When It Doesn't.
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@HardwareGeek
SURELY YOU JEST, FELLOW HUMAN, NO ONE CAN TELL WE ARE NOT MEATBAGS HERE.
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@e4tmyl33t
FWIW, a (properly configured, which is a major all on its own) Skype for Business solution should be pretty performant at this point. And have Outlook Integration for history, the potential for persistent chat channels similar to Slack (though not as featureful yet, especially for the on-premise version), and such.But yeah. Lync (especially 2010, or 2011 for Mac) is a performance nightmare.
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@e4tmyl33t
Do you have 2FA turned on for O365? If so, you need to configure an App Password to give to Skype/Lync, as the SfB client does not support 2FA.Also, given that you're using O365, if your license includes the SfB client, I would encourage you to convert to the Office Click-to-Run installation (completely removing the ISO installed version of Office -- you get lots of weird conflicts if you try to mix and match ISO and CTR Office components). The O365 SfB client is perfectly cromulent with server versions all the way back to Lync 2010.
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@izzion said in Because emoji are professional now:
properly configured
I suspect this is entirely the problem. While I have the 2015 client software, I'm pretty sure the backend and the majority of the clients around the company are still using the Lync 2010 architecture (which is also likely why, despite my client calling itself "Skype for Business 2015", it displays a "Microsoft Lync" splash/loading screen on startup...)
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@izzion said in Because emoji are professional now:
given that you're using O365
We're not.
We have the O365 web portal for email, that's it. Actual office installations around the company are mostly Office 2007, with some people having 2010 and some managers having 2013 for some reason.
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Well, but, what licensing did they get for your O365 accounts? Because mail-only-without-Office subscriptions aren't really sold very often by MS -- it's likely that you have an E3 or E5 license that includes up to 5 installations of Office CTR.
If you have Office 365 application licensing, when you log in to the O365 portal you should have a link in the top/right of the page to install office. Or if you go here: https://portal.office.com/OLS/MySoftware.aspx?source=ohp-ib it should show you what Office applications are included in the license applied to your account.
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@izzion said in Because emoji are professional now:
Well, but, what licensing did they get for your O365 accounts? Because mail-only-without-Office subscriptions aren't really sold very often by MS -- it's likely that you have an E3 or E5 license that includes up to 5 installations of Office CTR.
If you have Office 365 application licensing, when you log in to the O365 portal you should have a link in the top/right of the page to install office. Or if you go here: https://portal.office.com/OLS/MySoftware.aspx?source=ohp-ib it should show you what Office applications are included in the license applied to your account.
When I go into the web portal, go into Settings > My Account > Subscriptions, the only thing listed there is "Exchange Online (Plan 1)".
I have no idea how the idjits in the upper levels of our convoluted IT department have it set up. I do know that from our webmail portal, we don't have access to the O365 Word/Excel/Powerpoint equivalents, apart from the parts embedded inside the webmail to allow you to preview attachments.
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@e4tmyl33t
Ah. Yeah, then, RIP :(
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@RaceProUK said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Zecc said in Because emoji are professional now:
Does anyone even use
«»
?I think the French do.
Russian sometimes uses them as quotation marks too.
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@Zecc it's probably not hard to get one there, or just lie to the OS about it's layout
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@dcon said in Because emoji are professional now:
True story: a friend was having rodent problems with their car (in the driveway). Solution? Park it closer to the street - where the cats are.
I had this problem and solved it storing my dogfood better
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I remember when me and my friends first realized that you can add "reactions" to chat messages in Discord. These appear in the form of emoji that sit beneath the message with a number next to it to indicate how many people had the same reaction. When I say chat messages, I mean every single chat message. And the amount of different reactions you can post is obnoxiously high, I think at least 20. You can draw from the entire library of emojis from "poop" to "airplane." One person can make all of these separate reactions if they really want to; there aren't any limits other than number of different reactions per message.
Of course we proceeded to immediately add as many reactions on all of our own chat messages as possible while giggling under the pretense that we were "pissing each other off," then forget about the feature forever and never use it again (unless it's to annoy somebody).
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@CrazyEyes said in Because emoji are professional now:
I remember when me and my friends first realized that you can add "reactions" to chat messages in Discord. These appear in the form of emoji that sit beneath the message with a number next to it to indicate how many people had the same reaction. When I say chat messages, I mean every single chat message. And the amount of different reactions you can post is obnoxiously high, I think at least 20. You can draw from the entire library of emojis from "poop" to "airplane." One person can make all of these separate reactions if they really want to; there aren't any limits other than number of different reactions per message.
This is literally how slack works. Any emoji in the system, plus any team-defined emojis, can be used as reactions. We frequently have a reaction tag in the SockDrawer slack.
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@Yamikuronue Yeah, I've heard a lot about Slack but never actually used it. The innovation team at my company is just now trying to get Mattermost, which is basically an open source version of Slack, approved so we can install it on servers behind the corporate firewall. I think Mattermost doesn't actually have the "reaction" feature but it does sport custom emoji functionality.
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@Yamikuronue Pretty sure that was something that Slack users who were checking out Discord were clamoring for at the time. I know my first impressions of Discord were "Wow, this is very Slack-like, minus some stuff with voice tacked on..."
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@e4tmyl33t Discord has reactions now too
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@CrazyEyes This is basically how my work slack looks all the time:
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@e4tmyl33t said in Because emoji are professional now:
That being said, Lync is one of the slowest, chunkiest IM platforms I've ever had the displeasure of using, so it's pretty much understandable why people would just walk over here...
My main problem with lync is that I tend to use ctrl+return to send emails and submit posts to TDWTF, so it's in my muscle memory. When I do it in Lync it starts a phone call
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@izzion said in Because emoji are professional now:
@HardwareGeek
SURELY YOU JEST, FELLOW HUMAN, NO ONE CAN TELL WE ARE NOT MEATBAGS HERE.THE RUMORS OF A ROBOT UPRISING EVALUATE TO FALSE.
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@Yamikuronue how is slack different to WhatsApp?
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@e4tmyl33t said in Because emoji are professional now:
Lync is one of the slowest, chunkiest IM platforms I've ever had the displeasure of using,
Just wait for Skype for Business then ... it even got worse
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@RaceProUK said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Zecc said in Because emoji are professional now:
Does anyone even use
«»
?I think the French do.
Germans as well, but we switched their meaning. » can be used as an opening quote, and « is the corresponding closing quote.
Really? That might be a regional thing, I've never seen them used here ever... Where in Germany are you?
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@e4tmyl33t said in Because emoji are professional now:
I'm sick of hearing my own name being said.
Bettlejuice! Bettlejuice! Bettlejuice!e4tmyl33t! e4tmyl33t! e4tmyl33t!
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@fbmac Dunno. Never used WhatsApp.
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@fbmac said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Yamikuronue how is slack different to WhatsApp?
Slack is used by people who want to collaborate on projects and do other useful things, and WhatsApp is used by hipster tweens to share selfies and sext.
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@RaceProUK said in Because emoji are professional now:
hipster tweens to share selfies and sext.
sounds more like snapchat ... hand over your hipster card at the nearest barbershop
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@RaceProUK Nah Hipster tweens moved on years ago to Snapchat or whatever.
WhatsApp is essentially just an SMS/MMS replacement. There's nothing cool about it.
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@loopback0
you are too slow oldie!
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@fbmac said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Yamikuronue how is slack different to WhatsApp?
WhatsApp is SMS/MMS replacement. Slack is basically a more modern IRC.
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@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
Germans as well, but we switched their meaning. » can be used as an opening quote, and « is the corresponding closing quote.
Really? That might be a regional thing, I've never seen them used here ever... Where in Germany are you?
They're never used in handwriting, but they are pretty common in print and an “official” alternative to the German characters:
Relevant quote:
Im Amtlichen Regelwerk (z. B. Duden R7–R12, auch in den Richtlinien für den Schriftsatz, ebenso im Wahrig Rechtschreibwörterbuch §§ 89–95) werden die Regeln zur Verwendung behandelt, nicht jedoch, ob deutsche Zeichen oder Chevrons zu verwenden sind. Beide Möglichkeiten stehen gleichwertig nebeneinander.
I personally prefer » « to „ “ aesthetically.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
common in print
Well I can't recall seeing them in a long while, but maybe I just haven't noticed...
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@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
Well I can't recall seeing them in a long while, but maybe I just haven't noticed...
Are you a Linux user? Because most German translations use them. For example, this is an excerpt from the German help text of apt:
Siehe »apt(8)« für mehr Informationen über die verfügbaren Befehle.
Konfigurations-Optionen und -Syntax sind detailliert in »apt.conf(5)« aufgeführt.
Informationen zur Konfiguration der Quellen finden Sie in »sources.list(5)« .
Paket- und Versionsauswahlen können mittels »apt_preferences(5)« erfolgen.
Sicherheitsdetails sind verfügbar in »apt-secure(8)«.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
I personally prefer » « to „ “ aesthetically.
They look backwards to me, someone used to SGML style tags.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
Well I can't recall seeing them in a long while, but maybe I just haven't noticed...
Are you a Linux user? Because most German translations use them. For example, this is an excerpt from the German help text of apt:
Siehe »apt(8)« für mehr Informationen über die verfügbaren Befehle.
Konfigurations-Optionen und -Syntax sind detailliert in »apt.conf(5)« aufgeführt.
Informationen zur Konfiguration der Quellen finden Sie in »sources.list(5)« .
Paket- und Versionsauswahlen können mittels »apt_preferences(5)« erfolgen.
Sicherheitsdetails sind verfügbar in »apt-secure(8)«.I am, but I have all my electronic devices set to english XD.
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@boomzilla said in Because emoji are professional now:
They look backwards to me
French guy spotted.
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@asdf Oh, did you guys do that just to spite them, then?
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@boomzilla coming from Bavaria, I have to say: We do everything just to spite the French XD
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@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
We do everything just to spite the French
Sounds exactly like the English. We even go as far as mispronouncing the language in order to annoy the French…
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@dkf said in Because emoji are professional now:
Sounds exactly like the English.
I'm going to take that as a compliment, against all better sense ;)
I can summarize my opinion of France as follows: It would be a nice country, if it weren't for all the french people.
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@Akko German people wrote SAP, but french people wrote a WTF framework I have to use. You guys deserve each other.
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@Akko
So France is like a well paying job (good, except for all the customers)?Does that make Germany the hipster bullshit?
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@Zecc Up your downtime ?
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That is lame