Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?
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@Quwertzuiopp said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I don't plan my routes, I just visualize where I want to go and drive in that direction and let my instinct guide me along the right path.
That's all very well if you live somewhere with a sane or at least familiar road network. Quite disconcerting how badly that technique fails when a Melbournian tries to use it to navigate around Sydney.
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@flabdablet Well if I have ever been there before that wouldn't be a problem for me at all because I've got a near "photographic" memory for places I have been to (and for places only) and if I haven't been there before and it's not close to somewhere I have been before, I will just use a navigation system anyways. If I know in advance I also try to just memorise the way there from looking at google maps. I like maps, but thats not surprising I play mostly map staring games aside from FPSs; I have played several thousand hours of Paradox Interactive games which all can be summarised as "Map Staring Simulator 3000".
The only places I would not trust myself to find my way without a navigation system are those weird ass Italian Highway Pretzles that work like Satan's version of Highway exits and kind of remind me of a real life version of mister bones wild ride.
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@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I drive by autopilot. last saturday i left the house at 0700 to pick up a quart of milk, and parked at the office twenty minutes later.
the store is five minutes from my house.
I found a good way to beat that.
Basically I instruct myself to wake up my consciousness at certain locations.
It works. When I arrive at certain locations, my subconscious taps me on the shoulder and asks me to look at what I'm doing.
I find that autopilot works by taking what you think consciously based on location and applying it automatically. So, if you think consciously when you approach a location "I need to pay attention", the brain records that for its automatic mode.
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@HardwareGeek said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
. The rest of the people in the car often fall asleep, although if my wife is sitting next to me, and we're both sleepy, she's not allowed to fall asleep, as that would make me more sleepy.
That's something that really annoyed me about my ex-wife. Almost as soon as we got in the car for a road trip, "OK, kids, nap time." I'd be left to drive in silence. No conversation to help me stay awake. No radio. No window open for fresh air β too cold, too hot (depending on the weather), too noisy.
What do you mean no radio? The radio stays on. If they don't like it... well they can always not sleep.
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@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Why that is, I have no idea.
IIRC, I was taught not to cross my arms in case the airbag went off and catapulted them into my face. Though let's be honest, if the airbag goes off, I've got more important issues than a broken nose to worry about.
It's not going to break your nose, it'll break your arms.
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@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Why that is, I have no idea.
IIRC, I was taught not to cross my arms in case the airbag went off and catapulted them into my face. Though let's be honest, if the airbag goes off, I've got more important issues than a broken nose to worry about.
It's not going to break your nose, it'll break your arms.
If it did, I'd be pretty concerned about the fact I have weak arm bones. Everything I've seen and read about hints very strongly that it'll be the bones in the hands that bear the brunt, and the nose will be broken by the arms hitting it at considerable force. And if that's enough to break arm bones too, I'd be worried about the integrity of my skull.
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@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I'd be worried about the integrity of my skull.
< joke > If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it. < /joke >
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@TimeBandit Oh you
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@RaceProUK It can break arms, as well as fingers, and as well as causing other damage. Either way, it's not your face that's the main concern - even if your arms miss it, it's got an airbag coming towards at fuck-knows-what speed anyway.
The other thing is to have your thumb on the wheel but not wrapped around it. Then the airbag just pushes your arms out of the way and your hands go with it without restriction.
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@ben_lubar said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
If no: why blame all men for something a few men do?
Because it's the right thing to do.
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@ben_lubar said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
If no: why blame all men for something a few men do?
Because all our basis are belong to us.
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@ben_lubar said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
If no: why blame all men for something a few men do?
YMBNTIP
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@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
it is independently verifiable that males are more prone to being at fault in a crash than females are
Really?
The way I heard it, women cause more accidents, but men are more likely, when in an accident, to total the car or cause serious injury or death.
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@masonwheeler said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Really?
that's the fun thing about independently verifiable data. if you don't believe me the data is public and you can run your own analysis.
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@masonwheeler said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
it is independently verifiable that males are more prone to being at fault in a crash than females are
Really?
The way I heard it, women cause more accidents, but men are more likely, when in an accident, to total the car or cause serious injury or death.
Yes - women cause more accidents despite men driving more often, but men cause more serious and fatal accidents. Serious and fatal accidents are the ones that insurance companies care about.
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@masonwheeler said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
it is independently verifiable that males are more prone to being at fault in a crash than females are
Really?
Of course, the male is always at fault
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@TimeBandit If you choose to look at it that way, perhaps. Or you could say, when guys get in a wreck, we do it right!
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@masonwheeler said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
when guys get in a wreck, we do it right!
Depends on what side of the road you're driving
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@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@masonwheeler said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
when guys get in a wreck, we do it right!
Depends on what side of the road you're driving
The left side is the right side.
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@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The left side is the right side.
And the right side is suicide !!!
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@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
This reminds me of the one-step check if a dutch driving school car is currently being driven by a student or the instructor: The student will never drive above the speed limit. The instructor will never drive below it.
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@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
??? ??? ???
I've never heard of "feeding the wheel" and I've been explicitly taught the opposite method (the one shown at the end, crossing the hands). And the same goes for the handbrake, I've never ever been told to use it excepted when parking (basically, if you don't turn off the motor, don't put the handbrake on). Is this really how people are being taught to drive now?
The other points are more along the lines of "to pass a test you need to exaggerate the correct behaviour", which is true but hardly worth more than a shrug...
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@remi said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Is this really how people are being taught to drive now?
That's how people are taught to drive in the UK.
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@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
That's how people are taught to drive in the UK.
Yeah but they are also thought to drive on the wrong side ...
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@Luhmann said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
That's how people are taught to drive in the UK.
Yeah but they are also thought to drive on the wrong side ...
I believe it's now called the alternative side.
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@loopback0 Well then, that's the first time I'll be glad if people don't drive like they've been taught to...
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@remi Quite.
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BONUS POINT: Using your indicators if you drive a BMW
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@RaceProUK You'll have to buy me a BMW so that I can test this one thoroughly.
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@remi said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@RaceProUK You'll have to buy me a BMW so that I can test this one thoroughly.
Will this suffice?
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@RaceProUK Does it have indicators?
(I know, I'm supposed to not use them, but if there aren't any, how would you know I am voluntarily not using them?)
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@remi said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@RaceProUK Does it have indicators?
I think they might just be stickers or painted on, if I'm honest.
So, just like a real BMW
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@remi said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
And the same goes for the handbrake
I've been taught to use the handbrake when driving away on an incline (including at traffic lights and the like).
@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I think they might just be stickers or painted on, if I'm honest.
So, just like a real BMWPreposterous! How then would you inform the entire parking lot you just used your remote lock?
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@PleegWat said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Preposterous! How then would you inform the entire parking lot you just used your remote lock?
Surely the bips would tell people that?
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@PleegWat said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I've been taught to use the handbrake when driving away on an incline (including at traffic lights and the like).
Ah yes, that's right, that's a valid use of it. I forgot because with a bit of practice it's not much more difficult without the handbrake so I never do it, but it's definitely useful when you're not familiar with the clutch of a given car.
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@Luhmann said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
That's how people are taught to drive in the UK.
Yeah but they are also
thoughtknown to drive on the wrong side ...
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@PleegWat said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I've been taught to use the handbrake when driving away on an incline (including at traffic lights and the like).
Hold it on the clutch unless a) there isn't one or b) it's for a long time.
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@remi said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
And the same goes for the handbrake, I've never ever been told to use it excepted when parking (basically, if you don't turn off the motor, don't put the handbrake on).
Yeah, this. Like, If I used my handbrake to "fully stop" I'd have to lean into the steering wheel because it's actually below it and to the right, and in fact is a pull-out type meant to discourage using said device to (for example) drift.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
If I used my handbrake to "fully stop" I'd have to lean into the steering wheel because it's actually below it and to the right, and in fact is a pull-out type
Using that in an emergency when your hydraulic system fails is the real
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@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
If I used my handbrake to "fully stop" I'd have to lean into the steering wheel because it's actually below it and to the right, and in fact is a pull-out type
Using that in an emergency when your hydraulic system fails is the real
I didn't say "emergency" anywhere... Where did you see that?
Edit: Also, are you asking for identifying information on my results for this:
???
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I didn't say "emergency" anywhere... Where did you see that?
Isn't your handbrake used as an emergency brake ?
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@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I didn't say "emergency" anywhere... Where did you see that?
Isn't your handbrake used as an emergency brake ?
Nooo? It would be absolutely horrible for that purpose, as it's very easy to lock the wheels with it. I think it's more intended to keep the wheels locked in a parking situation.
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@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Isn't your handbrake used as an emergency brake ?
That's a lot less common on modern cars. I guess they've evaluated the actual failure rates and modes and decided that an additional emergency braking system wasn't worthwhile.
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@dkf said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Isn't your handbrake used as an emergency brake ?
That's a lot less common on modern cars. I guess they've evaluated the actual failure rates and modes and decided that an additional emergency braking system wasn't worthwhile.
Every car I drove got a handbrake, and it's used as an emergency brake.
I've only used it once for actual emergency braking (hydraulic system failed) but thousands of times for fun
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@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I've only used it once for actual emergency braking (hydraulic system failed) but thousands of times for fun
You wouldn't drive my current car like that. It's got one of those electrically-operated braking systems instead (as well as a hydraulic brake) which is a bit too binary for such things, but does give it some advantages in other situations. Such as not letting you drive several miles with the brake onβ¦
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@TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
actual emergency braking
For the record, if my brakes fail I will be unable to reliably decelerate, though some deceleration may be achieved through down-shifting. My engine is very small however, and the effect would not be very effective at all.
Also for the record, under such conditions I will rely on the safety systems of this unit and seek to naturally avoid a crash if at all possible, utilizing all possible (still available) signalling mechanisms to warn other objects of the hazard I have become, and (failing that) optimizing the crash profile to provide the least bodily harm to life and property (in that order).
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@Tsaukpaetra If it's a mechanical handbrake, it can be used as an emergency brake the same way the normal brake is used to slow down. As a mechanical handbrake is a cable that applies the rear brakes, it should be possible to brake lightly using it. Then again, braking the rear wheels only won't slow you down much anyway, since rear brakes have limited effect, even with the normal brake: it's the fronts that do most of the work (which is why they're discs instead of drums like the rear*).
*Those with discs at the rear too will have smaller discs at the rear.
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@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra As a mechanical handbrake is a cable that applies the rear brakes, it should be possible to brake lightly using it. Then again, braking the rear wheels only won't slow you down much anyway, since rear brakes have limited effect, even with the normal brake:
I've only seen one model with the handbrakes applied at the front wheels: a Subaru Legacy (first gen ~1990) if I'm not mistaking.
it's the fronts that do most of the work (which is why they're discs instead of drums like the rear*).
*Those with discs at the rear too will have smaller discs at the rear.
If you try the same car model with discs instead of drums in the back, you'll be amazed how much breaking power the rear discs gives you.
Also, with rear discs brakes, if you forget to disengage the handbrake and try to move forward, you'll realize your mistake quickly.
Drum brakes should be banned, they are useless.