Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?



  • It has occurred to me that I drive mostly by algorithm, that is, by a series of rules that I have developed for driving that seem logical and that have more or less worked well for me over the years. However, I'm inclined to think that other people are more likely to drive more by instinct and common sense. It could be that people who post in TDWTF generally drive more by algorithm than the average person.


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    I try to drive by predicting what other drivers are going to do, so that I can anticipate what will happen and act sooner. I guess I'm using an optimisation function that encourages keeping the rate of change of acceleration and braking as much as possible.

    Does “drive by simulation” even make sense?


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    @dkf Well, the prediction portion could be classified as instinct, while your response to said prediction is likely to be algorithmically defined. This would seem to indicate that you are using a sort of hybrid approach.

    Thinking about it, that's pretty similar to what I do. Though in lighter traffic I tend to let up on the prediction somewhat.


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    I drive by autopilot. last saturday i left the house at 0700 to pick up a quart of milk, and parked at the office twenty minutes later.

    the store is five minutes from my house.


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    @chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    more by instinct and common sense.

    This doesn't exist for me. So in that regard, everything is heuristics.

    When driving, the scale Of the Stage is increased (at the expense of resolution) so I can map my surroundings while driving, and from there all the rest of the Stage system adapts. Everything that can move is modeled in the Stage as a matter of course, and besides that routine rules govern a majority of my actions f



  • I drive with the firm belief that every other driver on the road is a fuckin idiot. That's the only way to be safe :wink:



  • I try to actively pay attention to everything but inevitably descend into autopilot.



  • @accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I drive by autopilot. last saturday i left the house at 0700 to pick up a quart of milk, and parked at the office twenty minutes later.

    the store is five minutes from my house.

    As someone with attention deficit, I shouldn't drive. But when I do, it's like that.



  • combination.
    The algorithm part observing surrounding car placement, speed, stretches of open space on the road ahead, then choosing the best path forward.
    The instinct part comes in to play when guess a car in your area might make a change they haven't indicated yet, eg you think the car in the next lane and two lengths ahead is going to change lanes but they haven't signaled or made a motion yet. this may lead to modifying the algorithm determination.


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    Drive by shooting

    Teach those tailgaters (and your enemies) a lesson



  • Algorithmically driven instinct, if that makes any sense. I have some rules that govern my driving, but the actual driving is more or less subconscious including observing/enforcing of the rules. But it's not completely autopilot, because as soon as something unexpected happens, the consciousness immediately takes over. Basically the brain equivalent to -Wall -pedantic

    It's the same feeling as getting a beer from the fridge. If you think about it, you can easily remember what you did, and if something goes wrong (BeerNotFoundError) you seamlessly start thinking consciously.


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    @dkf said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    Does “drive by simulation” even make sense?

    In a good simulation (with a good model) it is same as "drive by algorithm". Considering that a good portion of our brain is highly adapted to predict the laws of gravity and motion (since the time we used to jump between trees) it certainly makes sense to let the "faster than realtime" simulation engine predict the next position of the car in front of you and try to avoid a collision.

    We are also pretty good at placing ourselves in the position of other people (basically running another simulation instance for them).


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    @fbmac said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    As someone with attention deficit, I shouldn't drive.

    Some would argue ADD may actually help with driving, as it enhances your ability to keep SA instead of hyper-focusing on a single sub-task.


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    @dse said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    We are also pretty good at placing ourselves in the position of other people

    Also, you very quickly highlight for full attention anyone who keeps not matching the output of the simulation engine. There's various reasons why that might be so (drunkenness, drugs, chronic timidity, utter stupidity, etc.) but all that really matters is that I don't want to be driving anywhere close to them.



  • I don't car or golf, so the answer to your question is no.



  • @accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I drive by autopilot. last saturday i left the house at 0700 to pick up a quart of milk, and parked at the office twenty minutes later.

    the store is five minutes from my house.

    I suspect everyone who drives a lot will be like that.

    Algorithm or instinct doesn't matter. Only the way that is least energy demanding will stick in the end.


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    @cheong At the risk of sounding like a dick, I've never accidentally driven to the office :slight_smile:



  • @fbmac said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    As someone with attention deficit, I shouldn't drive. But when I do, it's like that.

    As someone who quickly feel sleepy on a car, I shouldn't drive. But when I have to, it would be like that.



  • @RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @cheong At the risk of sounding like a dick, I've never accidentally driven to the office :slight_smile:

    But when you have to drive to somewhere in the same direction of office, did you ever experienced "forget to turn" or "turn at the wrong corner" to the direction of office?

    If not, you've not developed your autopilot skill yet. :P


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    @cheong said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    But when you have to drive to somewhere in the same direction of office, did you ever experienced "forget to turn" or "turn at the wrong corner" to the direction of office?

    Never.

    That's not to say I never make wrong turns or miss turnings, because I do. I've just never wanted to go to the supermarket and end up at the office instead.


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    @RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I've just never wanted to go to the supermarket and end up at the office instead.

    Me neither, but then I don't drive to work. (Because that route has crazy awful traffic and a tendency to terrible weather too.)


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    @TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I drive with the firm beliefknowledge that every other driver on the road is a fuckin idiot.

    FTFM.

    More seriously, though, I drive mostly by instinct. Which sometimes frightens me, because it feels like I'm being inattentive and should be driving more consciously instead.

    I've never been in an accident, though. (At least not as a driver.) So maybe I'm actually doing it right despite thinking I'm not?


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    @asdf said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    More seriously, though, I drive mostly by instinct. Which sometimes frightens me, because it feels like I'm being inattentive and should be driving more consciously instead.

    I'd say driving my instinct is fine, as that means you spend less time thinking about reacting instead of actually reacting.


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    @RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @cheong At the risk of sounding like a dick, I've never accidentally driven to the office :slight_smile:

    This actually almost happened to me a few times. Literally three of the last four places I've worked are within a mile of each other. And two are 3-minute-walking-distance from each other.

    Turns out, no the two buildings aren't using the same carding system. :P



  • @cheong said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @fbmac said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    As someone with attention deficit, I shouldn't drive. But when I do, it's like that.

    As someone who quickly feel sleepy on a car, I shouldn't drive. But when I have to, it would be like that.

    I think it's because you're not driving. I'm usually the driver, and rarely feel sleepy, and even when I do, I obviously can't fall asleep. The rest of the people in the car often fall asleep, although if my wife is sitting next to me, and we're both sleepy, she's not allowed to fall asleep, as that would make me more sleepy.

    When other people are driving, I feel considerably more sleepy. I think your body knows that you're pretty much useless at the point and wants to catch some rest.

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.


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    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    Were you being chased by a bear?


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    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    Were you being chased by a bear?

    No, but what does that have to do with driving?



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    Were you being chased by a bear?

    No, but what does that have to do with driving?

    Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.



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    I'm the opposite. I only get sleepy when I'm the one driving the car. If I don't have control, I'm hyper alert like crazy, no matter the time of day. But night driving and I'm fighting falling asleep the whole way.



  • @izzion said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss
    I'm the opposite. I only get sleepy when I'm the one driving the car. If I don't have control, I'm hyper alert like crazy, no matter the time of day. But night driving and I'm fighting falling asleep the whole way.

    I feel like doing slightly more dangerous things helps keep you awake. Like driving in left lane (next to a divider instead of the middle lane with a lane on each side), or speeding slightly so you are passing some cars, maybe changing lanes. The only time I feel really sleepy is when I'm just sitting there staring at the same break-lights of the same car ahead of me.


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    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    Were you being chased by a bear?

    No, but what does that have to do with driving?

    Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.

    Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?

    No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.

    Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.



  • @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I feel like doing slightly more dangerous things helps keep you awake. Like driving in left lane

    This is especially effective on a two-way street.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    Were you being chased by a bear?

    No, but what does that have to do with driving?

    Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.

    Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?

    No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.

    Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.

    Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?


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    @chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.

    Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    Were you being chased by a bear?

    No, but what does that have to do with driving?

    Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.

    Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?

    No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.

    Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.

    Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?

    Probably. I've never been tested though. The doctors just say "diet and exercise, that's all you need!". I stopped going.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.

    That's about the same for me. Caffeine/energy drinks/etc. only work for about as long as there's something that I'm drinking. Even those dinky little super energy shot things are basically useless.

    If I'm driving on a long trip, I have to have something else (minor) to do. Talking with my passengers and/or listening to them converse works, and if they're sleeping then I'll turn on talk radio. But usually the easiest thing for me is to get a big bag of stick pretzels and just slowly eat them. I will need to have water available, too, with that much salt.



  • @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I think it's because you're not driving. I'm usually the driver, and rarely feel sleepy, and even when I do, I obviously can't fall asleep. The rest of the people in the car often fall asleep, although if my wife is sitting next to me, and we're both sleepy, she's not allowed to fall asleep, as that would make me more sleepy.

    Btw, I remember one of my ex-colleague told me that when he travelled to Japan with his family, he drove to visit various place. And usually when the he drove more than 3 hours on the road, he will feel sleepy and need to sleep for a while on the roadside to continue.



  • @cheong said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I think it's because you're not driving. I'm usually the driver, and rarely feel sleepy, and even when I do, I obviously can't fall asleep. The rest of the people in the car often fall asleep, although if my wife is sitting next to me, and we're both sleepy, she's not allowed to fall asleep, as that would make me more sleepy.

    Btw, I remember one of my ex-colleague told me that when he travelled to Japan with his family, he drove to visit various place. And usually when the he drove more than 3 hours on the road, he will feel sleepy and need to sleep for a while on the roadside to continue.

    I actually did that once. I was doing a lot of driving that weekend, and was driving late in the countryside, and had to pull over to the side to catch a few minutes sleep.

    The funny thing is a gang of bikers, were driving by and stopped when they saw me pulled over by the side of the road. I though for sure I was going to get robbed and possibly raped and killed (though probably my passengers first, as I had a couple of young females in the car). Mind you, this was the middle of nowhere, some tiny country road, and they were probably the first car to pass in 15 minutes.

    They just ended up stopping by and asking if I needed any help. I guess it goes to show that stereotypes are often wrong.


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    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    They just ended up stopping by and asking if I needed any help. I guess it goes to show that stereotypes are often wrong.

    Yeah, most biker gangs are pretty nice. Depends on the group really.



  • I don't have a license to drive but I ride my bike in NYC traffic which is probably significantly more dangerous.

    I would say you have to use both.

    I know I watch to try and predict what will happen as much as I can. In those case I make conscious choices of how to react.

    Then there are the times I just react and sometimes I wonder how I did it and am impressed I am still alive.


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    I drive by Braille. Which category does that fall in?


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    @dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I'm usually the driver, and rarely feel sleepy, and even when I do, I obviously can't mustn't fall asleep.

    FTFY. It's unfortunately too possible. :(


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    @cheong said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    And usually when the he drove more than 3 hours on the road, he will feel sleepy and need to sleep for a while on the roadside to continue.

    You're meant to take a 15 minute break every 2 hours anyway. At least, that's what the UK government tells us.

    @Karla said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I ride my bike in NYC traffic

    Has anyone ever recommended you be fitted for a straightjacket? :P

    @Karla said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    Then there are the times I just react and sometimes I wonder how I did it and am impressed I am still alive.

    Primal survival instinct combined with experience and knowledge can lead to amazing feats of survival ;)



  • @TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I drive with the firm belief that every other driver on the road is a fuckin idiot. That's the only way to be safe :wink:

    My first driving lesson was with my now-departed mother, who firmly instructed me to treat every other driver on the road as a homicidal maniac and every pedestrian and cyclist as a suicidal one. Words to live by.


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    @flabdablet said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    @TimeBandit said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    I drive with the firm belief that every other driver on the road is a fuckin idiot. That's the only way to be safe :wink:

    My first driving lesson was with my now-departed mother, who firmly instructed me to treat every other driver on the road as a homicidal maniac and every pedestrian and cyclist as a suicidal one. Words to live by.

    Was she German?


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    @Polygeekery said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    Was she German?

    Obviously not, since she didn't specifically warn him about French drivers. :tropical_drink:



  • @flabdablet Every time I teach someone to drive, the first rule I teach them is that they have to consider every other driver as a fuckin idiot, including me !



  • I don't drive to the office. Then again, no one drives to an office in Paris by choice. I happen to have a nice and direct route from home to work with public transportation, so I preserve my sanity by taking advantage of it.


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    @Khudzlin said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    preserve my sanity

    @Khudzlin said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:

    public transportation

    :confused:

    Maybe French public transport is better than British public transport. But that's not hard: travelling by a pogo stick with no spring is better than British public transport.



  • @RaceProUK I've used the London Underground a bit (thankfully not during rush hour), and yeah, the one in Paris is much better (though at times, sardines would have grounds to complain). On the other hand, I'd rather take my chances with the Tube than drive in Paris during rush hour.


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