Is ruby dying?
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Listening to Ruby Rogues 283: Is ruby dying
A bunch of ruby enthusiasts are facing the same existential crisis as .NET devs.
"Ruby is everywhere, man. Look at Github, look at Airbnb, Hulu. Those things aren't going away. RoR is here to stay! Forever!"
Sounds familiar, .NET devs?
"All these Hacker News people are just jumping into the next cool thing. No thanks, man. The reason I like RoR is because it's stable, it's not changing like every two months, man"
Oh, how the tables have turned. They either have no memory of how RoR became popular or are conveniently overlooking it.
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@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
"All these Hacker News people are just jumping into the next cool thing. No thanks, man. The reason I like RoR is because it's stable, it's not changing like every two months, man"
Isn't Hacker News like the epicenter of CADT?
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@Dreikin said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
"All these Hacker News people are just jumping into the next cool thing. No thanks, man. The reason I like RoR is because it's stable, it's not changing like every two months, man"
Isn't Hacker News like the epicenter of CADT?
CADT? Can't Actually Do Things?
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@Rhywden said in Is ruby dying?:
CADT?
Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers
@Rhywden said in Is ruby dying?:
Can't Actually Do Things?
Ageist!
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So if Ruby is dying and .NET is dying and PHP is dying, does that mean the future is NodeJS? Because if it is, fuck that noise.
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
So if Ruby is dying and .NET is dying and PHP is dying, does that mean the future is NodeJS? Because if it is, fuck that noise.
Elixir? Go? Swift?
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.net is dead?
If working in big-time corporate has taught me anything at all, leading projects in languages that predeceased the project is the surest path to a Vice Presidency.
Maybe I should stick around WtfCorp after all.
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@Weng or it's whatever hipster buzzword bingo says, a la Hadoop.
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@cartman82 I eagerly await the HN overlords to teach me what I should be using.
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After they've all agreed there is under no circumstances absolutely NO problem with ruby, they are now discussing "how to fix the problem".
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@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
So if Ruby is dying and .NET is dying and PHP is dying, does that mean the future is NodeJS? Because if it is, fuck that noise.
Elixir, Go Swiftly into that good night.
I think your terminal messed up your typing, so I FTFY.
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
So if Ruby is dying and .NET is dying and PHP is dying, does that mean the future is NodeJS? Because if it is, fuck that noise.
No...
https://www.quora.com/Is-Node-js-declining-already
Java is the winner. Oh, wait...
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/35u5bv/is_java_dying_as_a_programming_language/
<mutter>Buncha youngsters, think FORTRAN and COBOL are passe, expect their favorite language to be the winner forever...</mutter>
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 I eagerly await the HN overlords to teach me what I should be using.
That's a moving target, dude.
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@cartman82 of course it is, which is why I need guidance!
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Is Ruby dying? Well, is that the name of a trans hooker?
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@Dreikin said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
the same existential crisis as .NET dev.
Eh?
@cartman82 hails from a parallel universe where NodeJS is the primary choice for business-critical applications, and Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
It's a sad, sad place to live in.
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@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
Sounds familiar, .NET devs?
Based on UK job listings alone, .NET isn't dying, it's thriving.
To be honest, all these "[language] is dying!" articles are just FUD. All it means is the cool factor has expired, and it's no longer the 'new hotness'.
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@RaceProUK of course that's what it means, which is why it's funny to mock. Ruby has passed the cool factor, NodeJS has maybe a year before something new and cool comes along and steals its thunder.
Assuming something new that isn't internally fucktarded comes along.
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
@Weng or it's whatever hipster buzzword bingo says, a la Hadoop.
That guy is an aberration. Brought in from the outside to bring a fresh perspective to our most critical markets.
The rest of our VPs came from in house COBOL, FORTRAN, Postscript, Bizarre Legacy IBM Shit teams.
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@cartman82 I still see lots of jobs for .NET, Java and PHP and node when you go to London.
There isn't a market for Rails or Python really in UK.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 hails from a parallel universe where NodeJS is the primary choice for business-critical applications, and Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
You're like a guy from 1900-s who looks around, sees all the horses and is like "whats the big deal with this new car thing?"
The real question isn't what's being used in current companies with current crop of employees and practices, but in the next wave.
Of course, it could be that everything calcifies in its current state. That there are no new companies to rise, no new ideas to replace the current ones, and 100 years from now people are still maintaining the same crop of WinForms/WebForms LOB apps we have now.
But I'm not betting on it.
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@RaceProUK Most of the stuff I've seen running in the wild is .NET or PHP.
ASP.NET and SQL SERVER unless it been built by a total tit, just keeps on working.
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@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 hails from a parallel universe where NodeJS is the primary choice for business-critical applications, and Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
You're like a guy from 1900-s who looks around, sees all the horses and is like "whats the big deal with this new car thing?"
The real question isn't what's being used in current companies with current crop of employees and practices, but in the next wave.
Of course, it could be that everything calcifies in its current state. That there are no new companies to rise, no new ideas to replace the current ones, and 100 years from now people are still maintaining the same crop of WinForms/WebForms LOB apps we have now.
But I'm not betting on it.
Ah, so less
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
and more
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
Java and C# are the new C/C++
WebAssembly ought to throw an interesting kink in the matter, if it's done well. I wonder how difficult it would be to make the CLR/JVM use WebAssembly bytecode.
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@lucas1 I see some NodeJS and the odd bit of Java too, but yeah, most stuff is .NET and PHP.
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@cartman82 this is kind of my question; what's 'the next big thing' because NodeJS has been around long enough now for the shine to be fading. What is the language the next wave will favour?
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@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
You're like a guy from 1900-s who looks around, sees all the horses and is like "whats the big deal with this new car thing?"
Except Node isn't a car. Node is a steam trolley.
Yeah, sure, it's something different, and it introduces some concepts that might take off, but 200 years from then we just point at it and laugh at the idea of lugging a steam boiler around.
Node's not going to live forever either - it's more likely that 100 years from now someone will come up with something better, than that we'll still be using it as anything more than a curiosity. And we'll be pointing and laughing at the idea of building the programming esperanto on Javascript.
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@RaceProUK Every python job that doesn't require knowing R, is a Django job and I just can't be arsed to learn Django (it is so bloody boring to learn, since it is just an MVC framework).
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
NodeJS has maybe a year before something new and cool comes along and steals its thunder.
Oooh, let's do some brainstorming on what can replace it!
It has to be something distributed and cloudy... with an inefficient scripting language used for a purpose that's clearly not the intended one...
Ooh, maybe something like Amazon Lambda, where you can just write a javascript function and run it
SERVERLESS!
Yes! A program that you can install in several servers (can't run serverless stuff without servers, duh), and after spending mere hours configuring it, allows you to transparently run random javascript functions in the cluster, as if it were a single node interpreter.
It has all the ingredients for next cool thing. Mostly that it doesn't actually offer anything new.
Or maybe something IoT? A mesh network of Lightbulbs powered by Ubuntu?
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@anonymous234 that really only sounds like an 'improvement' upon NodeJS, maybe NodeCluster or NodeMesh or something. Meshode. Nodester.
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@anonymous234 said in Is ruby dying?:
Or maybe something IoT? A mesh network of Lightbulbs powered by Ubuntu?
How to devops serverless smart functions in the cloud???
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@Dreikin don't give 'em fucking ideas.
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
Assuming something new that isn't internally fucktarded comes along.
You must be new to the entire industry...
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
@RaceProUK of course that's what it means, which is why it's funny to mock. Ruby has passed the cool factor, NodeJS has maybe a year before something new and cool comes along and steals its thunder.
Assuming something new that isn't internally fucktarded comes along.
That's why we all use now or eventually end up using PHP.
Right?
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@Polygeekery you really think the next hot big thing will be more retarded than JavaScript on the server? Really? Really really?
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@anonymous234 said in Is ruby dying?:
It has all the ingredients for next cool thing. Mostly that it doesn't actually offer anything new.
It does have potential - as I've said somewhere before, it could let you put a critical procedure in your API on a beefier server than more lightweight endpoints, or put a part of your app that's used in a particular country more often than elsewhere in a data center in that country.
Not sure whether they actually do let you do that, but they could.
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@Arantor I never thought it would get that stupid...so I think the idiocy is just getting started.
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@Arantor said in Is ruby dying?:
does that mean the future is NodeJS?
Nah.
COBOL.JS is the future.
Be very afraid.
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@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 hails from a parallel universe where NodeJS is the primary choice for business-critical applications, and Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
You're like a guy from 1900-s who looks around, sees all the horses and is like "whats the big deal with this new car thing?"
The real question isn't what's being used in current companies with current crop of employees and practices, but in the next wave.
Of course, it could be that everything calcifies in its current state. That there are no new companies to rise, no new ideas to replace the current ones, and 100 years from now people are still maintaining the same crop of WinForms/WebForms LOB apps we have now.
But I'm not betting on it.
Wait a sec, are you saying .NET never progressed beyond WebForms/WinForms?
Also, don't use car analogies. They are always awful. And waaaaaay off base!
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@anonymous234 said in Is ruby dying?:
allows you to transparently run random javascript functions in the cluster, as if it were a single node interpreter
Feel the power of the distributed single thread!
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@flabdablet Who thought this was a good idea?
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@Arantor ONE OF US
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@Dreikin said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 said in Is ruby dying?:
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
@cartman82 hails from a parallel universe where NodeJS is the primary choice for business-critical applications, and Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
You're like a guy from 1900-s who looks around, sees all the horses and is like "whats the big deal with this new car thing?"
The real question isn't what's being used in current companies with current crop of employees and practices, but in the next wave.
Of course, it could be that everything calcifies in its current state. That there are no new companies to rise, no new ideas to replace the current ones, and 100 years from now people are still maintaining the same crop of WinForms/WebForms LOB apps we have now.
But I'm not betting on it.
Ah, so less
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
Java and C# are hipster languages nobody takes seriously.
and more
@Maciejasjmj said in Is ruby dying?:
Java and C# are the new C/C++
Not really. Cartman's brain's just fried completely from using those braindead technologies that make you use Sublime Text and say it's the best and most productive way you can write code (cause IDE's like, you know man, it makes you stupid and a bad coder.)
It's definitely more like the formern not the latter.
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