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@JBert said in Internet of shit:
30 years ago (close enough) they just hard-coded the recipes and even made it so that it detected when to shut off:
Without having watched that, I hate that too. Just give me a setting for the wattage, so when the package says "3 mins at 700W" I don't have to oracle if I need to push the chicken or the pork button for this.
@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
I don't hate the idea of optional cloud connectivity to lookup recipes or whatever.
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@topspin Nothing beats experience though. 3 minutes at 700W in a 700W microwave tends to not be the same as 3 minutes at 700W in a 1000W microwave. It is also different from 2 minutes at 1000W in a 1000W microwave, as our former architect would claim.
I don't own a microwave. For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on my combination steam oven.
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on my combination steam oven.
It's not that I don't know if the food is chicken or pork, it's that I don't know what these stupid buttons do.
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@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on my combination steam oven.
It's not that I don't know if the food is chicken or pork, it's that I don't know what these stupid buttons do.
I think the only buttons I've used on our current microwave are Add 30 Seconds, Start, Stop, and Popcorn. Everything else is a mystery that shall never be solved.
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@Parody said in Internet of shit:
@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on my combination steam oven.
It's not that I don't know if the food is chicken or pork, it's that I don't know what these stupid buttons do.
I think the only buttons I've used on our current microwave are Add 30 Seconds, Start, Stop, and Popcorn. Everything else is a mystery that shall never be solved.
I do occasionally use the power setting when doing stuff like softening butter.
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@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
I don't hate the idea of optional cloud connectivity to lookup recipes or whatever.
Apparently people who prefer reading recipes on a 160x120 DSTN with scroll buttons over an FHD+ OLED touchscreen do exist in the catacombs marketing departments do their surveys in.
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@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
I don't hate the idea of optional cloud connectivity to lookup recipes or whatever.
I said I didn't hate it, not that I'd actually use it.
Although I use my laptop not my phone if I need a recipe in the kitchen.
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Polish railways (or rather their contractor) b0rked 19 of their 33 traffic control centers with a software update that has some kind of problem with a time format string. Probably forgot
%Z
."I never test my software, but when I do, I do it in production!"
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
I
don'tused to own a microwave. For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on what has recently become my combination steam oven.FTFY.
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@hungrier And soon we'll do away with the mug, too!
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@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
Not sure I want to know how these people are operating their phones
I'm really hoping it involves voice control. That would at least be non-disgusting.
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@dkf Maybe they have Google Glass to scan the qrcode
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@hungrier This would almost be acceptable if they used a website instead of an app. And to add insult to injury, I bet the app is a glorified website anyway...
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@Medinoc But then, a website would only have access to your location while you were using it, and wouldn't be able to
- modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
- read the contents of your USB storage
- prevent device from sleeping
- change network connectivity
- run at startup
- allow Wi-Fi Multicast reception
- view network connections
- connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi
- full network access
- access Bluetooth settings
- control flashlight
- pair with Bluetooth devices
- modify system settings
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How?
https://nitter.net/JosephPolitano/status/1503131005389099011
Video can be seen when following the link.
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@JBert said in Internet of shit:
The Internet Of Shit / Cryptocoin crossover that nobody wanted:
Hang on. Maybe they're planning to use waste heat from all that blockchain processing to cook stuff?
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@JBert said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat 30 years ago (close enough) they used science to solve problems
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@Parody said in Internet of shit:
@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on my combination steam oven.
It's not that I don't know if the food is chicken or pork, it's that I don't know what these stupid buttons do.
I think the only buttons I've used on our current microwave are Add 30 Seconds, Start, Stop, and Popcorn. Everything else is a mystery that shall never be solved.
My family always looks at me like a madman when I program energizing sequences into the microwave....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@JBert said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat 30 years ago (close enough) they used science to solve problems
As opposed to using Science to cause them.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@Parody said in Internet of shit:
@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
For your "I don't know if it's chicken or pork" I'd likely use a grill setting on my combination steam oven.
It's not that I don't know if the food is chicken or pork, it's that I don't know what these stupid buttons do.
I think the only buttons I've used on our current microwave are Add 30 Seconds, Start, Stop, and Popcorn. Everything else is a mystery that shall never be solved.
My family always looks at me like a madman when I program energizing sequences into the microwave....
I don’t think that’s in any way related to the microwave.
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Filed under: overselling it in the headline
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A small bug can stop all trains, instead of being smashed by a train. achieved that:
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
A small bug can stop all trains, instead of being smashed by a train. achieved that:
Leading to one of those rare cases where the train drivers union and the passenger association are in agreement.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
A small bug can stop all trains, instead of being smashed by a train. achieved that:
Reading between the lines in the article I saw about it this morning, they don’t seem to have a fall-back system at all. The NS’s software packed in,¹ apparently leaving the company with no idea of where its trains or staff (drivers, conductors) were, how long each train was,² etc. I would kind of expect there to be a way to find out, like requiring the drivers to report in when they reach a station, so that someone can keep track with pen and paper if necessary.
¹ Note that NS is a railway company, but doesn’t control railway traffic — that’s the job of ProRail, which wasn’t affected by this outage at all, it seems. It was purely NS’s side of things that failed. Which leads to the question: why couldn’t NS ask ProRail to keep it updated about its trains’ locations?
² This appears to be necessary information for when the train stops at a station, so that no doors are opened in carriages that aren’t actually at a platform. Again, why is this an issue that can’t be resolved by the train crews themselves?
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
why couldn’t NS ask ProRail to keep it updated about its trains’ locations?
Maybe they did, and got "" as an answer?
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@Zerosquare Could be, but then they wouldn’t be doing a very good job of controlling traffic, I would think. More likely, IMHO: their systems can’t talk to each other at the necessary level to act as a backup?
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
Again, why is this an issue that can’t be resolved by the train crews themselves?
It probably originally worked that way, but it was “inefficient” so control was removed from train crews. I expect we'd have that sort of problem too, except our train companies haven't got their collective act together in the first place. (Also, most of the trains fit at most stations' platforms.)
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
This appears to be necessary information for when the train stops at a station, so that no doors are opened in carriages that aren’t actually at a platform.
If the train is too long, the extra carriages aren't allowed to be used at all. And they may stop on overpass in certain cases which is not allowed. Doesn't seem insurpassable though.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
I would kind of expect there to be a way to find out, like requiring the drivers to report in when they reach a station, so that someone can keep track with pen and paper if necessary.
For ages trains just ran on local information and schedule only. Only the engineer knew where the train was and the station dispatcher knew which trains are expected to arrive and only information exchange was between dispatchers in neighbouring stations to tell each other when the train left and to make sure they won't dispatch trains on the same segment when there is just one rail. And besides that's the safety information, that has to be handled by the railway operator, i.e. ProRail here.
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
This appears to be necessary information for when the train stops at a station, so that no doors are opened in carriages that aren’t actually at a platform.
? ? Why is that even a thing? All door have be at platform every time, otherwise the people in the end cars will be wondering whether they are in station already and fail to exit. That leaves a system that ensures the door won't open unless the train is indeed in the station. Well, for that the system in the train needs to know its own position, but still shouldn't depend on communicating with anything, just have a list of positions that are known to be in stations. And even that still needs to be overridable—if the train stops in the middle of the woods because the engine caught fire you sure as hell need the damned door to open!
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
If the train is too long, the extra carriages aren't allowed to be used at all. And they may stop on overpass in certain cases which is not allowed. Doesn't seem insurpassable though.
Solvable immediately by letting the crews take care of these kinds of things when the centrally controlled system goes offline, I would say. (If my RPG group were still playing regularly, I would ask the person in it who used to be a train conductor for NS and then changed to being a railway traffic coordinator for ProRail.)
@Bulb said in Internet of shit:
? ? Why is that even a thing? All door have be at platform every time, otherwise the people in the end cars will be wondering whether they are in station already and fail to exit.
NS basically drive with two lengths of train, four and six carriages long, to the best of my knowledge. Some stations are apparently only long enough for four, though six-long trains might pass on those same lines and perhaps have a need to stop at a short station — I suppose? No idea … but according to the article the safety concern due to this length issue was one of the main reasons for halting all traffic.
if the train stops in the middle of the woods because the engine caught fire you sure as hell need the damned door to open!
There is a manual emergency door release handle for that. Also, I kind of wonder where in the Netherlands a train could even stop in the middle of woods if it wanted to …
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
I kind of wonder where in the Netherlands a train could even stop in the middle of woods if it wanted to …
Just look for where bears are shitting
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
I kind of wonder where in the Netherlands a train could even stop in the middle of woods if it wanted to …
Just look for where bears are shitting
Ukraine
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
Solvable immediately by letting the crews take care of these kinds of things when the centrally controlled system goes offline, I would say. (If my RPG group were still playing regularly, I would ask the person in it who used to be a train conductor for NS and then changed to being a railway traffic coordinator for ProRail.)
My dad's a train driver with NS and has been for over 35 years; I've got a reasonable idea of what I'm talking about.
Rover (traveller's association) said they think they should have been able to keep running to some extend. FNV spoor (the union) sad the same. I suspect it's over-formalisation of procedures blocking things.
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@HardwareGeek Isn't it fun how one word can have multiple meanings?
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
@HardwareGeek Isn't it fun how one word can have multiple meanings?
Polysemy is one of my favorite words.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
stop in the middle of woods if it wanted to
Not necessarily want, but just stops there.
Netherlands has electric trains, doesn't it? So what happens if the overhead contact line has a failure?
Well, you wait in the train for a long time, perhaps it gets resolved, but later on: you have to leave the train some where in nowhere.
Of course that could be solved: had they just kept their old diesel engines for moving stuck trains.
(In Germany, there are still many non-electrified railways. But the issue of dealing with broken trains remains.)
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
@HardwareGeek Isn't it fun how one word can have multiple meanings?
Polysemy is one of my favorite words.
It must mean a load to you.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
I did a double take on that image, and then realised that the large text in the image was the name of the magazine, Puck, and not a caption giving what the bear was saying…
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
stop in the middle of woods if it wanted to
Not necessarily want, but just stops there.
You’re responding to the wrong part of what I was saying there :)
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
My dad's a train driver with NS and has been for over 35 years; I've got a reasonable idea of what I'm talking about.
Likely more than I do, yes.
I suspect it's over-formalisation of procedures blocking things.
But that’s what it looks like to me too.
@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
spoor
Appropriate for this thread — animal .
Guess what the etymology of the English word spoor is.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
Of course that could be solved: had they just kept their old diesel engines for moving stuck trains.
Problems with the overhead lines do happen, particularly during near-freezing if they get the chance to ice up.
NS cargo still has diesel locs. I think prorail has a couple too.