:fa_bullhorn: The sound of AN ANNOUNCEMENT BEING MADE (or: Request for Comments: Comments)
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You never watched Airplane? candidate right there.
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You just 'd more than you realize...
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You never watched Airplane? candidate right there.
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Filed under: was there some comment section being developed, by the way?
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In short, it appears that your picking of nits may be a bit overzealous.
Nitpicking is a type of and you yourself use the word overzealous...
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Nitpicking is a type of
No, nitpicking is the act of removing nits (lice eggs) from an individual's hair.
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As a hater of the idea that JS can be used to write server side software I can't see anything positive coming from relying on a package from NPM for our forum software. Then again, I don't use this forum that much so it likely won't affect me and eventually I'll forget. Actually, if you could remove all branding that references "NodeBB" from the new forums that would help me forget faster, so I suggest that.
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@Arantor said:
ShirleySurely you must be mistaken?Counter
I this for before it was pointed out there was some hidden text. I'll accept that's a whoosh on my part if needed.
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I believe that was (rather vaguely) covered by the parenthesized remark with immediately followed the bit you quoted. Specifically:
abarker:
(though in the simplest complete sentences, the object may be implied)No. The object is not implied. There is no object. John swims. Nothing is implied about what he swims. (Nor is anything implied about how, where, why or when he swims, but those wouldn't be objects, anyway.) Swim does rather imply "in water," but that is not an object; it is a prepositional phrase acting adverbially.
Some verbs are always intransitive; they cannot ever have an object: You can sit on a chair; the chair is object upon which you sit, but it is not the grammatical object of the verb sit. You cannot sit the chair. (You can set the chair on the floor, but that's a different (transitive) verb.) You can arrive at a destination, but you cannot arrive the destination (or anything else), itself. No object is implied, because no object is possible.
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You can sit a dog, though.
So much for trusting the random web page that said sit was always intransitive. dictionary.reference.com does, indeed, list five uses of sit that are transitive, including "to cause to sit." Even arrive has an obsolete transitive form (meaning "arrive at," but omitting the preposition).
Nevertheless, the point remains valid that an object is not necessarily, and for some verbs not usually, required in order to form a complete sentence.
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@HardwareGeek said:
You cannot sit the chair.
You can sit a dog, though.
I prefer to SAT a dog.
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This <img src="/uploads/default/original/3X/1/0/10bf5cf6db0ad92d96b582eaebfd08fadfd6c5cc.png"height="183">is now officially.
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This is that same type of bug.
Hey, remember when you yelled at @RaceProUK for saying something wrong more than once, you dipshit?
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Ok muted.
Do whatever the fuck you want.
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@apapadimoulis Yes, please bring back sanity to the front page.
One request for feature: allow Authors to Feature comments on their own Articles.
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Why not have comments system similar to http://dilbert.com/ ? It looks sane
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Did you just propose we move from Discourse to Disqus?
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Ideas can be borrowed. I have no opinion about Disqus, the upside is most of the jokes about Discourse will not be out of fashion because it has Disq in it.
BTW, please enable oauth2 so that people can comment with their Gmail/FB accounts, and one less password to remember is great.
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You asked for a miracle, Theo. I give you WTDWTF.
It's gonna need a paint job and a shitload of screen doors.
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Why did you have to use a picture of an immature brie? It's not oozing all over wooden
tablecheeseboard at all…
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I see four problems with this:
- I don't see a mention of a single sign-on with forums anywhere;
- Another migration, another comment syntax, another system to maintain (well, not my problem, but just sayin');
- You think you can get your lost user base back easily with a simple change of the comment engine. This is somewhat naïve;
- Your NodeBB thingy is going to inevitably suck for some part of population, so the whining won't stop.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Wash your mouth out with the twice-digested shit of a titmouse.
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Because the first row of GIS results didn't return anything oozing ... :dissapoint:
and I couldn't be arsed to look further ... that sounded like work so I took the Forum Admin option and bailed.
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It's not oozing all over wooden table cheeseboard at all…
Um… Is brie supposed to be eaten like that? Camembert: yes, definitely, but brie?
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Make the "View comments" link lead to the topic on the main forum.
Simple, hard to break, no need to develop and maintain several forum implementations or integration between them.
Also: easy to get to the topic from the article. Now we have to go through "preview comments" and then "continue the discussion".
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Is brie supposed to be eaten like that?
According to my parents, yes. According to me, it doesn't matter so long as it is battered and deep fried, but then I know I'm ignorant on such things.
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escape the number
Fuck this shit in the ass right now. Escape the number, are you fucking serious? You shouldn't have to escape it, it's a fucking number!
This is what's so maddening about Markdown: everything is both just a character that doesn't need to be escaped and a special character that needs to be escaped. For example, '#' is just a character. Want to start a line of text with # like a hashtag? Fuck you, you have to escape it.
How the fuck are we supposed to memorize all the special characters, and all the situations where those characters need to be escaped or not? If there's no WYSIWYG editor, or if there's no preview pane like we have now, it's impossible (or at least extremely frustrating). Markdown is fucking broken by design.
Filed under: No, I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. Why do you ask?
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Here's some numbered lists.
- one
- one
- one
1. one
1. one
1. one- one
- one
- one
Even more fun, the pseudo-BBCode syntax we've got doesn't seem to do lists at all, and having doesn't seem to make things better.
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numbered lists
Why is this even a thing here? Think about it. We're not creating 4,000-word wiki articles, we're posting on a forum. We're all adults, we can all count, we don't need fucking Markdown to number our lists for us.
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- Because Jeff says we do.
- Because Jeff says we do.
- Because Jeff says we do.
- Because Jeff says we do.
- Anything else is
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we don't need fucking Markdown to number our lists for us.
This. I hate lists in Markdown; in a WYSIWYG editor, if you typed "1. do some stuff <enter>" it would start a new line with a "2." in place for you, which you could edit if you wanted to skip a number. Here, you still have to type all the things yourself, no handy indentation-and-bullet/number, but you get the "benefit" of it fucking up your numbers when you didn't want it to, with no obvious way to edit what appears on the screen.
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I did not know you can set a specific value for a list item
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I like how DokuWiki handles it. If you make an ordered list with numbers, it uses those numbers and won't tamper with them. But if you make an ordered list using '-' as the list item start, then it numbers it for you. It has the sanest, easiest Markdown implementation I've ever encountered.
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According to me, it doesn't matter so long as it is battered and deep fried
You deep fry brie instead of Camembert? Heresy!
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You deep fry brie instead of Camembert?
Strictly, that would be “as well as” though not in the same meal.
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Because the first row of GIS results didn't return anything oozing ... :dissapoint:
Mine always does. For anything I search for.
Do you have "safe search" on?
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Make the "View comments" link lead to the topic on the main forum.
No. x
People want to comment ON an article. Not click a link to go somewhere else to read something divorced of the article.
Someone scrolls down and sees a discussion, they'll read and discuss.
Someone scrolls down and sees a link, most of the time they ignore it because
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How the fuck are we supposed to memorize all the special characters, and all the situations where those characters need to be escaped or not?
And even worse, the situations where you need to escape them, but escaping doesn't work, and you get a literal
\
in the post. Maybe­­;
or&zwnj‌;
will work, or maybe not. Or maybe it will break in new and unexpected ways; WTF, Discourse, how have you managed to misformat this so badly?
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In 2016 it should be possible to introduce WYSIWYG in a non-sucky way.
I have yet to see it. I'm not looking too hard, but MailChimp's is garbage, MeetUp.com's is a fuckpile. And those are basically the two websites with WYSIWYG I use.
At the moment, both article and 'forum' comments are the same interface - this appears to be separating them again.
I guess, depending on how the NodeBB thing goes, maybe we could try it again. As you know, I really bought into the vision of the "integrated article / forums", but as a reader (not just on TDWTF, but on every other site that went this route), I really don't like "leaving" the site to just read the "threads" about the articles. Maybe I'm just discoburned, I don't know.
But we do want to disconnect from disco regardless, and may as well have ability to do comment stuff without requiring NodeBB migrations and the like.
@everyone said:
...all the chat about Markdown...
Markdown is pretty bad, I agree. It's unintuitive and I can never remember what's allowed in HTML and what isn't... and I don't even think it supports [quote user] stuff, right? Even in the "generally agreed-upon whatever the fuck quasi-spec" that is markdown, there's no concept of quoting something someone else said?
Maybe some BBCode variant is better? I mean how much markup do we really need? [B], [I],[URL], [CODE], and [QUOTE], right? I don't even think we need a list, b/c you can just do that with linebreaks and a bullet.
~ surprisingly that
~ markdown doesn't
~ have some random parser for tildeEh, actually, I don't care all that much, and will hardly ever comment probably.... so just throwing a little fuel on the markdown fire.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Do you have "safe search" on?
No ... I'm starting to loose faith in GIS ... maybe I should switch to bing?
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I have yet to see it.
You thought Discourse was a good idea, what the fuck do you know?
And yes I came back to check on this thread after muting it, you may all jeer and throw rotten fruit now.
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But we do want to disconnect from disco regardless, and may as well have ability to do comment stuff without requiring NodeBB migrations and the like.
Just make sure that SSO is in place, I hate having two accounts on the same site.
Also, likes. I like the ability to like a response. Not hearts, but thumbs.
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I mean how much markup do we really need? [B], [I],[URL], [CODE], and [QUOTE], right?
Also [FA-SPIN].
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Should forum software make a numbered list automatically? Maybe not. If there were a WYSIWIG button for it, there would be no need. (Is Discourse's part of core, or is that one of our customizations?) But if the software is to infer one, on what basis? Wait until a second list item has been entered is probably a reasonable criterion; that would eliminate some of the objections. (Not changing the number would eliminate most, if not all, of the rest.) Of course, trying to do that with regex is , the likelihood of it ever working correctly in Discourse is nil.