Atwood continues to cry that Dicsource is too big to fail.
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His name isn't Drax, it's Blakeyrat. You should know this...
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https://meta.discourse.org/t/the-state-of-javascript-on-android-in-2015-is-poor/33889/126
This thread is the only one on meta.d that leads me to think that Discourse has a chance. There are actual dissenting voices and constructive criticism in there. Admittedly, Jeff hasn't replied anything apart from "mild snark which reaffirms my position" but the snark was mild and the posts have not been disappeared.
Oh... as I'm typing this I recall seeing a tweet of his on here about going on a 16 hour plane journey. Maybe this is less epiphany than unavailability.
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It is always interesting to see the approach people take when they have "performance" problems. It seems to me like most just find the first thing that looks odd and point their . No one wants to take the time understand what is actually happening. Just, "Herr drr,
your application is slowing my databasemy database is not slowing you application down." < /rant>DBATFY
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This thread is the only one on meta.d that leads me to think that Discourse has a chance
Why are you posting this in the "Weird" Al Lyrics thread?
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His name isn't Drax, it's Blakeyrat. You should know this...
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Why are you posting this in the "Weird" Al Lyrics thread?
Because fuck Discourse?
Acceptable answer.
Filed under: For any question.
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Life, loathe or ignore it, you can't like it.
Me thinks you've spent way too much time in PHP...
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Got a flat-screen monitor forty inches wide wide Surprisingly, still a good brag. Right, @wood? Sidenote: Frank still has you beat, since he got a Chromecast.
A 40" monitor is a TV, and almost certainly has a resolution (and certainly DPI) worse than one three-quarters the size. TVs are also outside the target scope for Discourse because anyone browsing Discourse on a TV is doing it wrong. There's so much wrong with this line that this should count for a -20 score.
I have spoken, and thus it is decreed.
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All kinds of
laptopsshitty junk.You can get a proper laptop with an i5 for slightly over 500€.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
There's whole hacker subcultures around getting weird and wonderful things to work on a C64
My friend Mike ran a dial-in BBS on his VIC-20 before the public Internet was even a thing.
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TVs are also outside the target scope for Discourse because anyone browsing Discourse on a TV is doing it wrong.
Browsing Discourse on any device qualifies as doing it wrong.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
There's whole hacker subcultures around getting weird and wonderful things to work on a C64
My friend Mike ran a dial-in BBS on his VIC-20 before the public Internet was even a thing.
I did it on a Radio Shack Color Computer. Which wasn't a very good idea, even in 1987.
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At least you had a 6809 to play with. Did you run OS-9 on it?
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At least you had a 6809 to play with. Did you run OS-9 on it?
No. At the time I was still somewhat inexperienced and OS-9 seemed too weird and complicated.
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You can get a proper laptop with an i5 for slightly over 500€.
While that's certainly true, it's not the point.
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@Arantor said:
Life, loathe or ignore it, you can't like it.
Me thinks you've spent way too much time in PHP...
Not sure if whoosh?
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PHP doesn't depress me, being Marvin to my coworkers definitely does.
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Ok, so they still exist? I guess.
I'd need to see some evidence they are still "the most common and prevalent CPU on the market", though. Because that's garbage. I didn't even know they still existed until I clicked that link.
Pentiums are usually the last generation i3 renamed each year.
Intel's way of squeezing more money and confusing the fuck out of people with names.
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For me, Pentiums are synonymous for overheating Canadian-winter-ready processors... now you're saying this isn't true?
(mustashioed face)
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Canadian-winter-ready processors
Cooking with Intel Episode 4 - Boiling Pasta on a Pentium 4 Prescott:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG3wceb05Sg
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I think Prescott has been improved a lot in terms of heat generation. Try take a look for P4 Willamette. You really need a very good heatsink to play games with it in a non-air conditioned room, or the machine will reboot in the middle of the game.
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I have an old server-grade Dell at my desk right now that has two P4 Prescotts in it. My cubicle stays nice and toasty through the winter.
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Fun fact, from the topic where Atwood discusses the bet he made on the future, I found a link on meta.d to a discussion from 2013 asking if Discourse was following Stack Exchange v1's business model (which, btw, basically failed). I would not ordinarily bring this up were it not for the observation His Mighty Jeffness makes that SE is not a forum but a Q&A site.
In under a year, Jeff completely backtracks and says that actually, SE is a forum after all.
With this level of denial, it's hardly surprising Discourse really is where it is.
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In under a year, Jeff completely backtracks and says that actually, SE is a forum after all.
Mind you, Discourse is not a forum but rather a bug tracking system.
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With
this level of denialJeff, it's hardly surprising Discourse really is where it is.FTFY.
Because SE is an outstanding success as a place not full of fucking jerks! Well done Jeff, you made a community of fucking clowns who would rather close a question for being a duplicate but not actually post what it's a fucking duplicate of, or close it for being off topic because someone asked for someone else's OPINION on something than actually help people, or any of the 305 other bullshit reasons legit questions get closed.
SE didn't miserably fail because the alternatives were... well, even more terrible. Dischorse doesn't even have that advantage.
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Speaking of SE.... is this crap?
All of the topvoted comments are skeptical of it. My favorites:
So... what problem was this solving again? – Travis J 22 hours ago
What's the motivation for creating a team? Why would my company/group want a team? We've already got official websites/blogs, Github/BitBucket issue trackers and wikis, Slack chat, Trello planning, etc. – davidism 22 hours ago
Are you going to try to authenticate teams? How are you going to prevent a bunch of people from creating "Jon Skeet's team" or "MSDN"? – ryanyuyu 23 hours ago
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is this crap?
It's not even been closed yet?
Documentation is our attempt to help the community address questions which would typically be considered too broad. Teams is our attempt to address items which typically are considered too localized.
OK, cool, you're solving the OPPOSITE PROBLEM TO THE ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED?
What do we mean by "too localized"?
Nothing, you just made it up.
Questions such as "please fix my codes" will still not be allowed.
Of fucking course not. That'd make your site less useless.
All of the topvoted comments are skeptical of it.
Well... I've read (most of) it and I'm not sure this even is? They ruled out most of the ways SO could be less retarded.
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All of the topvoted comments are skeptical of it.
Too right. When you've got this:
Teams are a new way to share your knowledge with the world.
then you know it is time to be intensely skeptical. Might as well break out the buzzword bingo, since the reasoning behind this is management BS all the way.
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Might as well break out the buzzword bingo, since the reasoning behind this is management BS all the way.
Synergise, yo.
I heard an even worse marketing/management bullshit term the other day, but as it doesn't really appear on Google, I'm not sure I can (sensibly) post it in the public bit of here. I think the company I work for made it up.
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"How does [Company X] run PostgreSQL at an enterprise scale?",
"What's a typical budget for [Company Y] when they upgrade their data centers?", or
"How does [Company Z] keep their distributed team working together even though they’re spread across multiple time zones?"
These are interesting questions which don’t have room in the community right now.Instead of "teams" they could just instruct the cadre of howling baboons they call "moderators" to stop deleting questions like that.
Just a thought.
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you're solving the OPPOSITE PROBLEM TO THE ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED?
I think 'Documentation' is another concept they're testing out in beta, one I must have missed the memo on. So with proper emphasis:
Documentation is our attempt to help the community address questions which would typically be considered too broad. Teams is our attempt to address items which typically are considered too localized.
Instead of "teams" they could just instruct the cadre of howling baboons they call "moderators" to stop deleting questions like that.
Just a thought.
IKR! Those sound like perfectly answerable, narrow-scoped questions. Why the hell are they off topic?
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I think 'Documentation' is another concept they're testing out in beta, one I must have missed the memo on. So with proper emphasis:
Right, well, the whole site could be less like fucking JeffCultureâ„¢ and just behave less like fucking morons and then these things wouldn't be required.
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I have looked in the abyss, and the abyss threw shit back at me like a howling baboon.
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@Arantor said:
In under a year, Jeff completely backtracks and says that actually, SE is a forum after all.
Mind you, Discourse is not a forum but rather a bug tracking system.
What about a floor polish and desert topping?
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Waiter, waiter, there's a Discourse on top of my cheesecake. Can I get a new one?
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Waiter, waiter, there's a Discourse on top of my cheesecake. Can I get a new one?
{whisper} Don't tell everyone, or they'll want one too. {/whisper}
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Wait a fucking second, that whisper was public? FUCKING DISCOURSE CAN'T CODE ANYTHING RIGHT!
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Pretty sure it was a Layer 8 problem in this case.
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Waiter, waiter, there's a Discourse on top of my cheesecake. Can I get a new one?
Sorry, that was our last Discourse.
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@mott555 said:
Waiter, waiter, there's a Discourse on top of my cheesecake. Can I get a new one?
Sorry, that was our last Discourse.Phew...
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With this level of denial, it's hardly surprising Discourse really is where it is.
With this level of denial, Discourse is in Eygpt.
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At least for this one the community is much more than the Documentation proposal:
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm with @blakeyrat ... if that's something that the company thinks should be on-topic on StackOverflow (or Programmers, or Workplace, or wherever) they should either:
- Declare that unilaterally
- or try to convince the community that they really should change the definition of "too localized".
They can't do the former without destroying a lot of good will among those who contribute (because part of the appeal is that you help make the rules). They can't really do the latter directly without also making people angry (see The Summer of Love and all the drama that ensued over that one). So, puts on tin-foil hat, maybe this is an attempt to get the caretakers to lighten up a little bit?
It's not like they don't already have the germ of a good idea how to start solving the problem (same thread) - it's just they haven't done it yet:
Information is poorly organized. Yes, I'm talking about duplicates. No one in their right mind should be asking about "headers already sent" (though of course, they still are), but there are thousands of more obscure topics that are duplicated without being marked as such, and useful information is obscured as a result.
Solution: divorce duplicate-marking from closing, provide rewards for solving someone's problem by pointing to an existing question.
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@Arantor said:
In under a year, Jeff completely backtracks and says that actually, SE is a forum after all.
Mind you, Discourse is not a forum but rather a bugtrackinggenerating system.FTFY
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I always find it funny that any caretaker role in IT ultimately ends up in the caretaker hating the users.
The bad kind of collaboration When folks band together to solve a problem, it is a beautiful thing - a group can accomplish so much more good than any individual.
I have never actually seen this actually pan out. I've seen a good team lead force their will onto a project and it actually exceed manager's expectations though.
Gratuitous stats Oh come on, you know someone's gonna put together a "team leaderboard".
If I work with anyone who actually thinks this is a good idea I will leave that company immediately.
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