If Windows is Updated, Only Windows Users Will Have Updated Windows
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Of course! Your Luddite attitude scares them off!
Do you really think that I did not want to do a project that was mostly labor, and mostly passive labor where the margin is higher? There was nothing there to sell, because there is no reason to switch. Win7 will run any application they need to. From their perspective it is pure expense with no benefit.
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You and he keep saying "this doesn't help me so it must not be useful."
Well, most of those are not useful to the average person. Are you dense? Can you not read?
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Most people hated 8/8.1. Because the UI/UX is rubbish. If it hadn't been, people would have upgraded.
And most people make shit up when talking about "most people" just so that their argument looks that much better.
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There was nothing there to sell, because there is no reason to switch.
"I would rather wait 6 weeks to get a computer with Windows 7" is a ridiculous attitude.
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Well, most of those are not useful to the average person.
No, what you think is the average person, or maybe the average person near you. The people I work with, who do a lot of moving files around, for an example, might feel different.
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@Polygeekery said:
There was nothing there to sell, because there is no reason to switch.
"I would rather wait 6 weeks to get a computer with Windows 7" is a ridiculous attitude.
We order workstations with Windows 7. There is no additional wait time.
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My company has about 300 employees. There are less than 30 laptops. Everyone has access to a desktop.
Not sure how many people are actually in this building (>100 <300), but I haven't seen a desktop here yet...
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The people I work with, who do a lot of moving files around, for an example, might feel different.
Software devs are not average.
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I haven't seen a desktop here yet...
Opposite experience here, I've personally seen only nine company-sanctioned laptops, and half of them are running XP.
At least our desktops (about 600 in total) are now running Windows 7 (almost all, maybe 94%), but we're still working on getting our internal websites up to spec so we can upgrade out of IE8.
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Software devs are not average.
My company sells commercial software. I interact with a lot of our client base, most of whom are not developers. In fact, most of them are regular office workers.
Oh, and the people in my office currently are all trainers/helpdesk types except for me.
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Oh, and the people in my office currently are all trainers/helpdesk types except for me.
That would be the people you work with? The ones who copy huge files around as a hobby?
Still not your average drone. And copies are not faster in Win8/8.1. You just get more information about what is going on and you can pause the file copy.
Whoopty shit. Your average office drone still doesn't give a fuck.
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That would be the people you work with? The ones who copy huge files around as a hobby?
No, try to keep up.
Look, if you insist on using about-to-be-retired versions of Windows, fine. The buggy whip distribution line is over there. But you sure are getting your jimmies rustled just because I don't agree that it's the plague.
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But you sure are getting your jimmies rustled just because I don't agree that it's the plague.
Jimmies not rustled, but you sure seem intent on jamming the latest from Redmond down everyone's throat, yet you cannot tell me one thing that your average person will care about.
MS fucked up with Win8. Most people vehemently disliked it. It was a shit sandwich, and your advice is, "Eat up and like it, you fucking rubes, we will tell you what you like."
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It was a shit sandwich, and your advice is, "Eat up and like it, you fucking rubes, we will tell you what you like."
No, you unreading doofus, it's not. But you keep insisting that's what I am saying, blakeyrat.
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about-to-be-retired versions of Windows,
...in 2020. That is the EOL date. In 2020. Just so we are clear.
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Also, Hyper-V is shit.
Hyper-V or VMware. Pick 1. Because VMware (picked) won't run if HV is enabled.
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Hyper-V or VMware. Pick 1. Because VMware (picked) won't run if HV is enabled.
Yep. Found that out the hard way when I installed Visual Studio.
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...in 2020. That is the EOL date. In 2020. Just so we are clear.
No, that's extended support, as I already said dozens of posts ago. "As of today Windows 7 has moved from mainstream support -- free help for everyone -- to extended support, which means Microsoft will charge for help with the software."
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that's extended support,
Whoopty shit. It doesn't get DX12. That matters fuck-all to nearly everyone.
But I was still correct, that is the EOL date.
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Congratulations, crankypants.
Actually not cranky. I just like rustling your jimmies.
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MS fucked up with Win8.
It took me a while, but I actually like it. My touchscreen Yogas turned me around. That said, the Win7 machine is staying that way for now. Oh, and those Yogas have upgraded to W10.
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My touchscreen Yogas turned me around.
There's the difference. On desktop it is annoying. The UI sucks for keyboard and mouse.
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There's the difference. On desktop it is annoying. The UI sucks for keyboard and mouse.
My current work machine is on 8.1 - while it is a touchscreen laptop, I use it much more as a desktop (2nd monitor, external keyboard, mouse). When I tested 8.x in a VM, I hated it. Now, I get (almost) confused when I go back to 7.
The only thing I find annoying is the charms popping up. Maybe I'll turn those off someday when I get really annoyed...
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Actually not cranky. I just like rustling your jimmies.
You're the one being all pissy and repeatedly insisting that just because you don't like it it's horrible.
I mean, goddamn. You are making me understand why @blakeyrat is such a troll.
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charms popping up
I personally disabled them as soon as I saw them. I've never had to "Share" (well, nothing can be shared from the "Desktop App"), "Search" (Isn't that what pressing the Windows key and typing something already does, or am I missing something?), or fiddle with "Settings" (How often am I going to be disconnecting the secondary monitor on this desktop anyways?).
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repeatedly insisting that just because you don't like it it's horrible.
No, I started out by pointing out something that sucks about virtual desktops on Win10, which progressed to a discussion about the low adoption rate on Win8/8.1...because lots of other people don't like it. Like, literally all of our clients. None of them wanted to use it.
I don't think I ever said that I thought it was horrible. I think the UI sucks. I can't come up with a reason for the common man to switch.
As for 2012R2, I think the UI sucks but there are tons of good reasons to switch. Hell, in that case it would be worth it to switch if the only benefit was the built-in dedup.
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And most people make shit up when talking about "most people" just so that their argument looks that much better.
And most people look right past where earlier I quoted statistics showing that 8/8.1 has ~1% more market share than freaking XP. Win7 has many multiples more market share than later versions.
I also have a pretty long list of clients who don't want to touch it.
But hey, might as well feed the trolls:
https://whatsonmypc.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/windows-8-poll/
Or, do your own legwork and search for "Windows 8 opinion poll" and see for yourself. Or...just fucking listen to people. Ask some non-nerds what their opinion of Win8 is. As I said, most people hate it.
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It doesn't get DX12. That matters fuck-all to nearly everyone.
...who is a gamer, yes, yes it does.
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Coincidentally, most people are also crazy luddites who don't care that 8 is pretty much the same shit as 7, they're gonna bash it anyway because Microsoft dared to do something else than repackage Windows XP.
Fucking users, they ruin everything.
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they're gonna bash it anyway because Microsoft
dared to do something else than repackage Windows XPdeveloped a shitty UI and made the false assumption that everything is a tablet/phone.FTFY
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The desktop is the exact fucking same, and in 8.1 you don't even have to click through to it after boot. You can still pin your most used programs to the taskbar. Win + type + Enter still works just like it did in 7.
But nooo, those fuckers in Microsoft added features I don't use! That makes the whole system ruined!
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But nooo, those fuckers in Microsoft added features I don't use! That makes the whole system ruined!
Why would someone upgrade if there are no new features that they would use? And the UI is shit. Almost no one liked it, but all you guys are for upgrading even when there is no fucking reason for them to.
Goddamn, you have to give people a reason to want to upgrade. That is the entire reason that MS is doing this time-limited free upgrade to Win10. You have to put some urgency on it, or else once again the adoption rate will be shit.
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Win + type + Enter still works just like it did in 7.
And you fucking guys always miss the point that most people don't use Windows that way. So it was a rude awakening for them.
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It works on the Mac mouse as well (top surface works for swipes).
Besides, it's an apple product. They don't break.
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Wouldn't be so sure. UNIX hardware.
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Besides, it's an apple product. They don't break.
LIES!
OK, that's blakeyish, but even so. I've broken a fair amount of Mac hardware in my time.
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@dcon said:
charms popping up
I personally disabled them as soon as I saw them.I had no idea they could be disabled. I've never had a use for them, but they've only been a minor annoyance so far.
I find the lack of contrast between the window's title text and title bar with a black theme selected quite annoying. Dark grey text on a black background is hard to read.
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And you fucking guys always miss the point that most people don't use Windows that way. So it was a rude awakening for them.
My parents do since I showed them how much faster this is.
And my father is probably one of the bigger problem children when it comes to using new technology. My father is actually a pretty good example of why people are so up in arms about the UI changes.
Because they have learned a process by rote instead of the principles behind the process.
However, this means that any kind of change will always lead to the same goddamn bitching. Big companies can only lose in that regard - even when they can show research that the new way is actually better for a large number of people, they will still bitch about it.
Because that's what happened with the ribbons and 8 years later people still haven't moved on from this.
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Goddamn, you fuckers just don't get it. You can't just force people to do shit, that causes them to hate your product. That is where backlash comes from.
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Yeees, "hate". The bar for that term seems to be quite low for you, judging from how you interpreted the results from your list of polls (half of which didn't show what you thought they showed).
You probably also "hate" noisy babies, you "hate" cold coffee and you "hate" traffic lights that are red longer than they should.
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Jesus fuck, you and @blakey would buy a box of shit with a "Genuine Windows" logo on it and harp the whole time about how it is the latest version.
And it extend battery life !
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Yeees, "hate". The bar for that term seems to be quite low for you, judging from how you interpreted the results from your list of polls (half of which didn't show what you thought they showed).
Jesus fuck, you and blakey are cut from the same cloth. Let's amend that to "had an overall negative reaction or do not fucking like Win8/8.1".
Now, let's go back to what I posted, blakey.
9254 votes, 46.05% negative reaction, 31.59% neutral, 22.36% mostly positive reactions. I would say that most people from that poll disliked it.
Not exactly a formal poll, but more of a discussion thread. I am not going through all of it and collating information, but out of the first 20 replies I believe I counted 5 positive responses and the other 15 were negative. You can go through the entire thread if you wish and collate all of the information, I don't give enough of a shit.
https://whatsonmypc.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/windows-8-poll/
That poll plugin sucks and does not show percentages, but I am able to look at bar graphs and see that out of those 129 votes it is predominately negative reactions to Win8.
PC security firm Avast recently polled 350,000 users...65% were Windows 7 users, 22% had Windows XP and 8% used Windows Vista...bad news, unfortunately, is that only 9% of U.S. consumers said they wanted to buy a new Windows 8 PC soon after the platform’s release. The overwhelming majority — 70% — said they planned to stick with what they had...
58% of 5,871 respondents were of the opinion that "Windows 8.1 had not saved Windows 8
This one is a rehash of the link I posted earlier. Same shit, different publication.
So, pray tell, how the fuck did you come up with this?:
(half of which didn't show what you thought they showed)
As for the rest of your post...
You probably also "hate" noisy babies
Show me a person that has a generally positive reaction to a crying baby and I will show you a fucking psychopath.
you "hate" cold coffee
I actually drink cold coffee during the warm months, as long as it is cold-brewed.
you "hate" traffic lights that are red longer than they should.
Because sooooo many people just love being stopped at red lights? You are just spouting nonsense at this point.
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So...you think that the populace in general loved Windows 8/8.1? Fuck no. They hated it, and it did nothing that anyone wanted or needed it to do.
Exactly, 8 sucks. Maybe not on a technical level, but it made lots of changes that were completely unnecessary. All the complaints people went when it came out are still valid.
Windows 10 has windows, not that full screen, two-types-of-applications crap. It's what 8 should have been.
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Windows 10 has windows, not that full screen, two-types-of-applications crap.
So did 8. You do know that, right? All your programs still ran on it, same as always.
But indeed, universal applications in 10 are better than their 8 counterparts.
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9254 votes, 46.05% negative reaction, 31.59% neutral, 22.36% mostly positive reactions. I would say that most people from that poll disliked it.
No, most people were neutral or positive. I won't bother with the rest of your diatribe, it displays clearly why statistics are problematic and their evaluation easily manipulated.