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@ben_lubar Also, links within posts don't work.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@ben_lubar Also, links within posts don't work.
do you try to click on footnotes in a book
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@ben_lubar Yup. They work too, but only in the books where the typography sucks and I have to poke it rather than flap at it to change pages.
Edit: Also, once a year or so, I poke my laptop screen expecting it to respond.
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@Gribnit Using screws on donkeys and horses is how you got mules, I thought.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
Sanity? From the NYT? Wow.
Gotta balance out the new racist they hired somehow.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
Also I cannot remember the abbreviation for Maine no matter what.
"ME" is the official postal abbreviation for Maine; "Me." was used in the 1800s and early 1900s.
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@anotherusername NO. MATTER. WHAT.
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NASCAR CEO tries to fix slumping viewership with viral outreach to a new class of fans...
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
This could be the correct model, or it could be too simplified.
It's definitely too simplified. ;) The neuron model they're using doesn't allow for things like simulating deep sleep; that requires a model that's 10–20 times more complex due to the interplay of different simultaneous differential equations. The guys who did it are good, but the problem itself is a fiercely tough one (and doesn't fit nicely to the usual MPI or OpenMP solutions typically found in supercomputers; it's not a grid or a fixed mesh, it's an adaptive event-driven graph).
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
What kind of suck are you refilling it with?
Java. It'll still suck, but at least we'll be able to use threads and have refactoring that works.
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@dkf It achieves the dev availability of PHP while also achieving devs who hate PHP.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Reading the article, they simulated a neural net that represented 1% of a brain.
Well, we use only 1% of our brains, don't we?
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@Scarlet_Manuka Your neural calculations are assuming that each neuron will connect to another neuron only once. I would not be surprised if some neurons have multiple connections to another neuron.
Edit: 'd here.
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@dkf Not being an expert, I was thinking more along the lines of: does the neuron model realistically represent what the brain does in the first place. My guess is "no", but the more important question is if that's negligible, i.e. all the computation the brain does is 99% covered by a neuron model.
EDIT: and to answer that question by simulation, you'd have to go with a much more complex physical/bio-chemical model to conclude that, yup, most of the stuff that happens there is just the mechanism by which neurons work, but the actual result is well represented by a model that just assumes whatever neuron model they use.
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
does the neuron model realistically represent what the brain does in the first place
Did anybody even came up with sensible method of self-training in cyclic network? Because the brain is definitely that, but the normal training only works in layered—which means acyclic—networks (or did last time I checked; I don't follow that field closely).
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
NASCAR CEO tries to fix slumping viewership with viral outreach to a new class of fans...
:)
Going by the onebox, it looks like he had
a need for speed.
Filed under: Actual facts about painkillers and booze are a to jokes
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@JBert The next story also involves alcoholism.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@dcon The bastards use a 6oz cup when they mark the pots. You must be using a 20oz travel mug.
1 ⨯ 20 oz before the shower
1 ⨯ .... on the road
4 ⨯ .... at work
1 ⨯ .... on the road
About 2 ⨯ .... more before bedtime...180 oz coffee average/ day....
Plus sodas
Sleeping fine... fine I say.
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@M_Adams Oh yeah? What's a pillow?
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@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
I'm kidding, but in the sense of "if they wanted to, they could decide that not having AC means the car is "not in functioning order" and ticket you like they actually do for a busted headlight in the daytime or a non-working turn signal when you're driving straight.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@M_Adams Oh yeah? What's a pillow?
I’m not sure 🤔, is it that marshmallow my husband keeps holding over me at night? I think I ate that...
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Bonus points to the page I found this for their caption:
Who they gonna call? GHOST THRUSTERS!
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@M_Adams said in In other news today...:
@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@dcon The bastards use a 6oz cup when they mark the pots. You must be using a 20oz travel mug.
1 ⨯ 20 oz before the shower
1 ⨯ .... on the road
4 ⨯ .... at work
1 ⨯ .... on the road
About 2 ⨯ .... more before bedtime...180 oz coffee average/ day....
Plus sodas
Sleeping fine... fine I say.
All 3 hours of it!
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
I'm kidding, but in the sense of "if they wanted to, they could decide that not having AC means the car is "not in functioning order" and ticket you like they actually do for a busted headlight in the daytime or a non-working turn signal when you're driving straight.
That's different; there are actual laws that say your headlights and turn signals (and brakes, windshield wipers, horn, ... etc., depending on the laws in your state/city) must be in good working order, regardless of whether you need them at any given moment while you're driving.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Amethyst Realm
If someone's name sounds like the title of a cheesy fantasy fan-fic, you know they're going to provide some entertaining .
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Amethyst Realm
If someone's name sounds like the title of a cheesy fantasy fan-fic, you know they're going to provide some entertaining .
I think that poor person's parents' naming rights should be taken away. With a clue-bat. A name like that ensures that the kid will be a stripper. Nothing else is possible.
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@Benjamin-Hall She's a "spiritual guidance counselor;" it's entirely possible that she chose that name for herself, either legally or as a professional pseudonym.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@Benjamin-Hall She's a "spiritual guidance counselor;" it's entirely possible that she chose that name for herself, either legally or as a professional pseudonym.
That sounds like a euphemism for "prostitute" to me.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
Also I cannot remember the abbreviation for Maine no matter what.
Just remember that Maine would be the last one if you used each letter to form the postal abbreviation.
MA = Massachusetts
MI = Michigan
MN = Minnesota
ME = MaineAnd just for good measure:
MD = Maryland
MO = Missouri
MS = Mississippi
MT = MontanaAnd the only one where an M is the second letter:
NM = New Mexico
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@djls45 Mississippi should come before Missouri in that list.
Actually, Maryland and Maine are both outliers, because putting Maine last would make the list not alphabetically sorted. If you sorted it alphabetically, Maine and Maryland come first, and don't match the pattern of the rest:
M
ainE
M
arylanD
MA
ssachusetts
MI
chigan
M
iN
nesota
M
iS
sissippi
M
issO
uri
M
onT
ana
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
...then the only outlier is Maryland.
And now my mind just made up a song...
Mary had a little land, little land, little land...
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@djls45 Mississippi should come before Missouri in that list.
Not if you're alphabetizing by the postal abbreviation (which I was).
Actually, Maryland and Maine are both outliers, because putting Maine last would make the list not alphabetically sorted. If you sorted it alphabetically, Maine and Maryland come first, and don't match the pattern of the rest:
M
ainE
M
arylanD
MA
ssachusetts
MI
chigan
M
iN
nesota
M
iS
sissippi
M
issO
uri
M
onT
anaSure, if you're putting them all together in one list. My first list just uses the letters in the name "Maine" in the same order that they appear in the name itself.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Not if you're alphabetizing by the postal abbreviation (which I was).
It doesn't make sense that you'd find a pattern in how they were abbreviated, from the order of the alphabetized list of abbreviations. Then there's no particular reason why Maine couldn't have come first and been abbreviated MA.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Not if you're alphabetizing by the postal abbreviation (which I was).
It doesn't make sense that you'd find a pattern in how they were abbreviated, from the order of the alphabetized list of abbreviations. Then there's no particular reason why Maine couldn't have come first and been abbreviated MA.
I wasn't trying to look for a pattern like that. Although, now that you mention it, Maine was originally a part of Massachusetts, so having MA refer to the latter instead of the former is probably just due to history.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Reading the article, they simulated a neural net that represented 1% of a brain.
Well, we use only 1% of our brains, don't we?
Some of my cow-orkers definitely do
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@homoBalkanus That much?
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@ben_lubar said in In other news today...:
reading comprehension
Oh I have no issues with his reading comprehension. I have issues with his ability to form comprehensible sentences that convey his thoughts in a way someone else can understand it.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
My guess is "no"
You are correct, but the counterpoint is the question: how much of what the brain does is necessary to simulate the parts we care about? For example, we probably don't need to simulate the cellular metabolism (most of the time). The general approach with these things is to have a range of models and to cross validate them against each other to see whether the predictions made by a more detailed one are matched enough by coarser one (which can scale up to the bigger problem you really care about). This has been done on the scale of neurons to get models of about 10 differential equations per soma plus some number of differential equations per synapse (and those per-synapse equations interact; some synapses are excitatory and others are inhibitory, and there's many different types of neurotransmitter, and…). But the real story is in the interactions of neural networks, and in how they change over time. That requires running large collections of neurons for long stretches (minimum multiple days of simulated time) with mechanisms in place for simulating sleep processes (the behaviour of neurons during deep sleep is very different) and for handling at least the creation and deletion of synapses, i.e., for changing the connectivity graph at runtime.
The complexity of all this stuff is pretty high. The differences between types of neurons (both spatially and temporally) and the runtime graph connectivity changing are both serious simulation embuggerances of the first order.
And then there's the interaction with glial cells and myelinisation, where I believe the cell-level science isn't settled yet, to say nothing of what happens with scale up…
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Did anybody even came up with sensible method of self-training in cyclic network?
Yes. The serious simulation work at this level is based on Spiking Neural Networks, which are basically (massively simplified) models where a synapse firing is treated as transferring a binary pulse of charge from the axon on the upstream cell to the dendrite on the downstream cell. The timing of the firing of the synapse with respect to the firing of its downstream soma determines (using a simple exponential model) how the weight of the synapse changes; crudely, if a synapse fires just before the soma then the weight is increased, and if a synapse fires just after the soma then the weight is decreased. This mechanism (STDP, Spike-Timing-Dependent Plasticity) acts as a correlation detector, and has been shown to learn things when paired up in simple random networks. The good bit? It does live learning; there's no need for a separate back-propagation/training phase.
More complex learning requires changing the synapse graph (i.e., synaptogenesis). One of our PhD students is an overly smart guy and has shown how to make that work in live code as well. The overall complexity of what can be learned with all this still being studied; it seems that one of the keys to how things work is that the brain is all about generating models of the world and comparing the predictions of those models against what the senses report, looking for “surprises” (like leopards hiding in tall grass). If everything is going to plan, actions are driven by what's almost just replays of recorded neural outputs; if things are going really wrong, that's when you engage fully. Which is fine, but awkward to simulate as you need so many layers of complexity to build it…
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@djls45 Mississippi should come before Missouri in that list.
Actually, Maryland and Maine are both outliers, because putting Maine last would make the list not alphabetically sorted. If you sorted it alphabetically, Maine and Maryland come first, and don't match the pattern of the rest:
M
ainE
M
arylanD
MA
ssachusetts
MI
chigan
M
iN
nesota
M
iS
sissippi
M
issO
uri
M
onT
anaReason 52 why I hate state drop-downs. I should be able to type NY fuck you.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
I'm kidding, but in the sense of "if they wanted to, they could decide that not having AC means the car is "not in functioning order" and ticket you like they actually do for a busted headlight in the daytime or a non-working turn signal when you're driving straight.
That's different; there are actual laws that say your headlights and turn signals (and brakes, windshield wipers, horn, ... etc., depending on the laws in your state/city) must be in good working order, regardless of whether you need them at any given moment while you're driving.
And the reason there are laws for those things: They directly affect others, unlike AC.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
Also I cannot remember the abbreviation for Maine no matter what.
Just remember that Maine would be the last one if you used each letter to form the postal abbreviation.
MA = Massachusetts
MI = Michigan
MN = Minnesota
ME = MaineAnd just for good measure:
MD = Maryland
MO = Missouri
MS = Mississippi
MT = MontanaAnd the only one where an M is the second letter:
NM = New MexicoIt's quite easy to remember. If someone asked you, "Who is the Maine person in your life?" You'd respond, "ME, of course!"
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Not funny, but a helluva bang.
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@Boner Saw the video on the news this morning. Very impressive.
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@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
I'm kidding, but in the sense of "if they wanted to, they could decide that not having AC means the car is "not in functioning order" and ticket you like they actually do for a busted headlight in the daytime or a non-working turn signal when you're driving straight.
That's different; there are actual laws that say your headlights and turn signals (and brakes, windshield wipers, horn, ... etc., depending on the laws in your state/city) must be in good working order, regardless of whether you need them at any given moment while you're driving.
And the reason there are laws for those things: They directly affect others, unlike AC.
A non-working A/C system could definitely affect others, namely those in your vehicle, and especially in >100°F weather.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
I'm kidding, but in the sense of "if they wanted to, they could decide that not having AC means the car is "not in functioning order" and ticket you like they actually do for a busted headlight in the daytime or a non-working turn signal when you're driving straight.
That's different; there are actual laws that say your headlights and turn signals (and brakes, windshield wipers, horn, ... etc., depending on the laws in your state/city) must be in good working order, regardless of whether you need them at any given moment while you're driving.
And the reason there are laws for those things: They directly affect others, unlike AC.
A non-working A/C system could definitely affect others, namely those in your vehicle, and especially in >100°F weather.
My primary vehicle doesn't even have A/C and I'm not too bothered by >100°F weather.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@blakeyrat In Phoenix, you can get a ticket for driving a car without air conditioning.
Are you kidding, or is this a Big Brother law? (Wouldn't surprise me too much, unfortunately.)
I'm kidding, but in the sense of "if they wanted to, they could decide that not having AC means the car is "not in functioning order" and ticket you like they actually do for a busted headlight in the daytime or a non-working turn signal when you're driving straight.
That's different; there are actual laws that say your headlights and turn signals (and brakes, windshield wipers, horn, ... etc., depending on the laws in your state/city) must be in good working order, regardless of whether you need them at any given moment while you're driving.
And the reason there are laws for those things: They directly affect others, unlike AC.
A non-working A/C system could definitely affect others, namely those in your vehicle, and especially in >100°F weather.
Those who are in your vehicle are there by choice. If not, then it is covered by other laws, such as false imprisonment.