WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@loopback0 See edit. That's not the taskbar button right-click menu.
What it is is another nice example of visual inconsistency.
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@Zecc shift + right click on the taskbar button also brings up that menu
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Once again Windows decided that my son didn't really want DHCP to work with wi-fi. Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix. Still weird and extremely annoying.
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I've re-read 's post, and {@Zerosquare's pronoun} did specifically mention right -clicking the thumbnail, and 's post was in reference to that.
Admitting I failed at read comprehension is not beneath me.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Admitting I failed at read comprehension is not beneath me.
for not welcome here
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Admitting I failed ... is not beneath me.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Admitting I failed ... is not beneath me.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix.
I'm not sure I believe you. That damn thing has never been anything but a waste of time.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix.
I'm not sure I believe you. That damn thing has never been anything but a waste of time.
It is shocking, I admit. I only tried it out of desperation. The really amazing thing was that I looked at the properties of the network connection and it
saidlied that DHCP was active.
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@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix.
I'm not sure I believe you. That damn thing has never been anything but a waste of time.
It is shocking, I admit. I only tried it out of desperation. The really amazing thing was that I looked at the properties of the network connection and it
saidlied that DHCP was active.Given that a significant portion of DHCP failures come down to race conditions (either from multiple DHCP Servers on the same subnet, or from Windows sending the DHCP Discover/Request before it's really connected to the wireless network), it's an easy troubleshooter to write.
dhcp /release
dhcp /renew
such connectivity much wow
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
It's always disabled
I even tried with MS applications
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
It's always disabled
I even tried with MS applications
That's because you're maximized to the missing screen. Add an additional "Click restore" step in place of "Click move", and then redo the original steps up to and including "Click move".
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@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Add an additional "Click restore" step
Too many steps
FileUnder: it does work with this step
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Shift + Windows + Left or Right arrow key moves a window between displays - this may or may not be helpful in this scenario.
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@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix.
I'm not sure I believe you. That damn thing has never been anything but a waste of time.
It is shocking, I admit. I only tried it out of desperation. The really amazing thing was that I looked at the properties of the network connection and it
saidlied that DHCP was active.Given that a significant portion of DHCP failures come down to race conditions (either from multiple DHCP Servers on the same subnet, or from Windows sending the DHCP Discover/Request before it's really connected to the wireless network), it's an easy troubleshooter to write.
dhcp /release
dhcp /renew
such connectivity much wowAh, so the troubleshooter might be lying by saying that DHCP is off when really the DHCP request failed? Or...maybe something gets turned off when it fails? And then stays off until someone turns it back on? Except no one tells the network connection properties screen, because it thinks DHCP is on?
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ah, so the troubleshooter might be lying by saying that DHCP is off when really the DHCP request failed? Or...maybe something gets turned off when it fails? And then stays off until someone turns it back on? Except no one tells the network connection properties screen, because it thinks DHCP is on?
Filed Under: Signs of consistency being an afterthought in Redmond
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Signs of consistency being an afterthought in Redmond
I've been to Redmond, and I never saw any sign of consistency at all, not even as an afterthought.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
There's an obscure trick to solve that (at least on Win 7, not tested on Win 10):
- hover over the taskbar button for the window
- when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
- press any cursor key
- move the mouse until the window becomes visible
I didn't know about the taskbar bit. I've always done:
- Make sure off-screen window has focus
- Press AltSpacebar, select Move
(continue as above)
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What it is is another nice example of visual inconsistency.
Also there are some windows on which none of the methods mentioned here work to bring up that menu.
One of them is, surprise surprise (in particular given another about it that I recently brought up), Teams.
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@remi Because everything is a phone, don'tcha know, there's only one app active, and it's always full-screen on the only screen on the device, so interacting with an off-screen window is simply inconceivable.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
One of them is, surprise surprise (in particular given another about it that I recently brought up), Teams.
Alt-space works perfectly fine on Teams.
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@SirTwist That's true. It's "only" the methods based on the taskbar that don't work.
Oh well, just wait until the next
releasesprint, nightly build, whatever replaces "releases" nowadays, I'm sure they'll manage to break it by then.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
sprint, nightly build, whatever replaces "releases" nowadays
git push -f -u origin master
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
sprint, nightly build, whatever replaces "releases" nowadays
git push -f -u origin master
Very fitting that the command line switches required are F U
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@izzion I'm not sure you can actually use -f and -u at the same time, but it would be a really bad idea if it did let you do that. Maybe there might be a valid use case, very very rarely, but I doubt it. Yeah. "F U. What I'm pushing is master now, even if it's not at all related to what was master 2 minutes ago."
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm not sure you can actually use -f and -u at the same time, but it would be a really bad idea
git push -f -u -q origin master
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You do that, and people will flog you. And then reflog you.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
git push -f -u origin master
fatal: branch 'master' does not exist
You probably mean 'main'
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@TimeBandit We don't use woke github.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I know everyone loves to look at 7 through rose-tinted glasses, just as everyone did with XP when 7 came out, but 10 is better IMO.
Overall Windows 10 is better, but Windows 7 Aero still beats the pants off Modern, Metro, Fluent, whatever their latest buzzword for ugly flat design.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What it is is another nice example of visual inconsistency.
Window menu (AKA alt+spacebar or single click on the icon in the corner) from Windows 3.1 vs taskbar menu from Windows 7|8|10
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
It's always disabled
I even tried with MS applications
It's enabled for non-mazimized windows
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
There's an obscure trick to solve that (at least on Win 7, not tested on Win 10):
- hover over the taskbar button for the window
- when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
- press any cursor key
- move the mouse until the window becomes visible
Something that works in all versions: Alt-space, down down (I think its only twice?) enter, press an arrow key, move your mouse and find the window stuck to it, and since your mouse cannot leave the screen the window will always instantly appear, and you can click to drop the window.
Edit: wow, I should learn to finish reading the thread..... Nnnnaaahhhhh!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
There's an obscure trick to solve that (at least on Win 7, not tested on Win 10):
- hover over the taskbar button for the window
- when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
- press any cursor key
- move the mouse until the window becomes visible
Something that works in all versions: Alt-space, down down (I think its only twice?) enter, press an arrow key, move your mouse and find the window stuck to it, and since your mouse cannot leave the screen the window will always instantly appear, and you can click to drop the window.
Edit: wow, I should learn to finish reading the thread..... Nnnnaaahhhhh!
Since 3.1, that's
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix.
I'm not sure I believe you. That damn thing has never been anything but a waste of time.
It resolves my recurring DNS issues 100% of the time.
$URL can’t connect.
Network → troubleshoot problems → trying to reach a specific site → copy-paste the domain
wait… “couldn’t find a problem,” close the troubleshooter.
$URL now works flawlessly, every time.
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@kazitor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix.
I'm not sure I believe you. That damn thing has never been anything but a waste of time.
It resolves my recurring DNS issues 100% of the time.
$URL can’t connect.
Network → troubleshoot problems → trying to reach a specific site → copy-paste the domain
wait… “couldn’t find a problem,” close the troubleshooter.
$URL now works flawlessly, every time. Setting saner DNS caching times would probably be, saner
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Once again Windows decided that my son didn't really want DHCP to work with wi-fi. Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix. Still weird and extremely annoying.
Oh, the other thing Winderps likes to forget is that our WiFi network is a private network. Seems like every time the kids try to play Minecraft together we have to reset that.
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Today I'm working on a seldomly used machine, on which I've recently installed VS2019. It had VS2017 before.
I needed to open two Solutions (as they call it).
double clicks .sln in File Explorer
Hey! Which application do you want to use to open this? VS2017, VS2019, something else?
picks VS2019
opens VS2019
navigates to another folder, double-clicks another .sln
:no-questions-asked: opens VS2017
Edit: ah yes, I see now how these are totally different.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
double clicks .sln in File Explorer
I never had much success with that version selector. If I've opened the sln before, I'll just r-click my pinned VS icon. Or just open VS (via the shortcut) and then open the sln via that.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Once again Windows decided that my son didn't really want DHCP to work with wi-fi. Fortunately this is the only thing that the Windows Troubleshooter has ever figured out to fix. Still weird and extremely annoying.
Oh, the other thing Winderps likes to forget is that our WiFi network is a private network. Seems like every time the kids try to play Minecraft together we have to reset that.
Damn straight!
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Important question: Is there a way to tell Win-10-nic to use different file & folder sorting behavior than the one selected in the Settings > Region > Regional format?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
different file & folder sorting behavior
The only one I know about is the "natural sort" for when it tries to figure out numbers in names:
But I have no idea if it works on the metadata columns...
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@Tsaukpaetra Well, thanks for trying.
Nope, that's not it. Number-aware sorting is great.
Fair enough, most search results I could imagine also lead to that in some way.What I mean is:
Windows 7 (Correct) - letter Y does not exist in Latvian, so it's sorted according to English
Win-10-nic (Bloody stupid) - letter Y is sorted as if it was Latgalian or Lithuanian... well, it's one third world shit or another
...and, frankly, I'm offended
Edit: Locale Builder exists and does fuck all. Sorting dropdown is grayed out, and appears to be based on already existing tables anyway.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Well, thanks for trying.
Nope, that's not it. Number-aware sorting is great.
Fair enough, most search results I could imagine also lead to that in some way.What I mean is:
Windows 7 (Correct) - letter Y does not exist in Latvian, so it's sorted according to English
Win-10-nic (Bloody stupid) - letter Y is sorted as if it was Latgalian or Lithuanian... well, it's one third world shit or another
...and, frankly, I'm offended
Edit: Locale Builder exists and does fuck all. Sorting dropdown is grayed out, and appears to be based on already existing tables anyway.
TIL that Lithuanian sorts
y
beforej
, which is definitelyAlso, looking at the wikipedia page, I wonder: why are some letters named after US president?
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Well, thanks for trying.
Nope, that's not it. Number-aware sorting is great.
Fair enough, most search results I could imagine also lead to that in some way.What I mean is:
Windows 7 (Correct) - letter Y does not exist in Latvian, so it's sorted according to English
Win-10-nic (Bloody stupid) - letter Y is sorted as if it was Latgalian or Lithuanian... well, it's one third world shit or another
...and, frankly, I'm offended
Edit: Locale Builder exists and does fuck all. Sorting dropdown is grayed out, and appears to be based on already existing tables anyway.
TIL that Lithuanian sorts
y
beforej
, which is definitelyAlso, looking at the wikipedia page, I wonder: why are some letters named after US president?
Since they're I and U it's part of a joke at best, pickup line at worst.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also, looking at the wikipedia page, I wonder: why are some letters named after US president?
Coincidentally, it means short.