WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@topspin everything should look like something.
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin everything should look like something.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
At least it's consistent with its behavior
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also we were promised there would be no Windows 11
I was promised Windows 10 would be stable
Have you seen the number change any? That's been a stable 10.
Yes. It has remained Windows 10 for almost 6 years now.
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin everything should look like something.
No matter where you go, there you are.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also we were promised there would be no Windows 11
I was promised Windows 10 would be stable
Have you seen the number change any? That's been a stable 10.
Yes. It has remained Windows 10 for almost 6 years now.
I hope they keep the representation, shift the base to undecimal, and issue everyone an extra finger.
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
A centered start button suggests they don't have any designers left
who understand Fitt's law. And that's been true for years.
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
issue everyone an extra finger
Here, from users:
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also we were promised there would be no Windows 11
I was promised Windows 10 would be stable
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also we were promised there would be no Windows 11
I was promised Windows 10 would be stable
Have you seen the number change any? That's been a stable 10.
Yes. It has remained Windows 10 for almost 6 years now.
I hope they keep the representation, shift the base to undecimal, and issue everyone an extra finger.
I already have the finger that Windows 10 needs.
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The day before Windows 11 is released:
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Run back to 0x0 and start over.
You expect me to convert 0x0 from hex to decimal in my head?
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What are the odds Win11 will be version 10.1.xxx (according to
GetVersionEx
)Bzzzt! That's derpecated! You'll be expected to use
IsWindows10SP11OrGreater<ins>Ex</ins>
instead.Sheesh.
And, as with all new APIs, you need to dynamically load the library and test for the function's existence. Or just let your app crash and burn, since you can't gracefully handle this scenario anyway.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The day before Windows 11 is released:
Somehow my desire for exceeds my desire for a good OS.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also we were promised there would be no Windows 11
I was promised Windows 10 would be stable
Have you seen the number change any? That's been a stable 10.
Yes. It has remained Windows 10 for almost 6 years now.
I hope they keep the representation, shift the base to undecimal, and issue everyone an extra finger.
I already have the finger that Windows 10 needs.
That's someone else's finger, I can tell.
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Are you still using Internet Explorer version NaN?
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@El_Heffe I hate that stupid fucking site.
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@boomzilla And how many of those "improvements" from version to version were actual, functional improvements, how many were eye candy at the expense of speed and memory footprint (and in some cases, actual usability, like being able to tell at a glance which window has the focus), and how many were just CADT among their graphic designers?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
how many were eye candy at the expense of speed and memory footprint (and in some cases, actual usability, like being able to tell at a glance which window has the focus)
IME (although my only experience of running 7 and 10 on the same machine is at work where we don't exactly run default installations) Windows 10 isn't any slower than 7 and uses less memory
I know everyone loves to look at 7 through rose-tinted glasses, just as everyone did with XP when 7 came out, but 10 is better IMO.Microsoft are fucked if they do and fucked if they don't. If Windows 10 still looked like Windows 2000 then everyone would bitch about that (correctly - Windows 2000 looked good then but looks like ass now), if they update the look people bitch about that too.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Microsoft are fucked if they do and fucked if they don't. If Windows 10 still looked like Windows 2000 then everyone would bitch about that (correctly - Windows 2000 looked good then but looks like ass now), if they update the look people bitch about that too.
If they stayed with Windows 7 look, nobody would say a word since Aero looks better than everything before and after.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If they stayed with Windows 7 look, nobody would say a word since Aero looks better than everything before and after.
It doesn't, but some people would still bitch about it either way.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It doesn't
It might be prettier, but it makes it harder to tell which window has the focus, and IMNSHO, that is more important than pretty by about a billion to one. I've done things like type my password into a Slack conversation because I didn't realize which window had the focus.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I might be prettier, but it makes it harder to tell which window has the focus
How does it?
Genuine question. I don't see any issue.edit:
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#WTF is happening with Windows 7? And nothing else
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I know everyone loves to look at 7 through rose-tinted glasses, just as everyone did with XP when 7 came out, but 10 is better IMO.
No, that's what happened when Vista came out (XP was pretty solid after SP3 but a security nightmare before), as it wasn't quite finished, had higher performance requirements than suggested by the compatibility label, and shitty 3rd party drivers hadn't caught up with the improved driver model.
7 was what Vista should have been (i.e. more polished but also just later) and almost universally liked for it.Microsoft are fucked if they do and fucked if they don't. If Windows 10 still looked like Windows 2000 then everyone would bitch about that (correctly - Windows 2000 looked good then but looks like ass now), if they update the look people bitch about that too.
Well, Windows 3.11 looked ok then but doesn't now. But at least had better contrast.
Although they're slowly moving away from this shit.@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Genuine question. I don't see any issue.
edit:Can't find it (i.e. I won't even try since search), but someone had posted a screenshot like that before (in light theme for whatever version of Windows 10 back then) where I wasn't even sure how many explorer windows there are in total.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If they stayed with Windows 7 look, nobody would say a word since Aero looks better than everything before and after.
I much preferred XP's subtle gradient buttons to Aero's, which were a little too glossy for my taste:
XP 7 But Aero's semitransparent titlebars (after I changed them to a darker shade of blue) were my favourite, yes.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I might be prettier
Post pictures.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Can't find it (i.e. I won't even try since search), but someone had posted a screenshot like that before (in light theme for whatever version of Windows 10 back then) where I wasn't even sure how many explorer windows there are in total.
Worry not. I'm still mad enough about this that I went searching:
I still can't get over how bad flat design is.
I'm enough to remember window borders.
This is particularly confusing:
And that was spontaneous. I wasn't looking for it.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I might be prettier, but it makes it harder to tell which window has the focus
How does it?
Genuine question. I don't see any issue.edit:
As @topspin mentioned, contrast. Blue window frame vs. gray window frame has a lot more contrast than black frame with white text vs. gray frame with gray text. Or even worse, where the frame/title bar doesn't change color at all, only the text changes between white and light gray. Giving each (Office) application its own color may be a nifty idea if you use one application at at time, full-screen; you can immediately tell which application you're using. But it doesn't work so well when you have 20 windows of various applications spread across 2 or 3 hi-res monitors, and what you typed didn't show up in the window you expected it to. What document did I just edit unintentionally, and what did that sequence of keystrokes do to it? (For extra , add in a flaky mouse that doesn't always send an event to the window you thought you just gave the focus to.) And giving windows transparency, so that you see the window you think you're working in, even though there's another window on top of it, is one of the worst anti-usability ideas I can possibly imagine.
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@Zecc I set Windows back to Light mode () and it's not like that now?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I might be prettier
Post pictures.
No. I might be prettier, but probably not (unless the comparison is to Chthulu, then just maybe).
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I set Windows back to Light mode
I turned on
to help.But, of course, consistency! FF shows blue, FileMaker does too - but when FM gets focus, instead of turning white like all the other windows, it turns pale blue. And Window Settings ignores all of that and nothing changes whether it has focus or not. (Which confused the out of me when I switched from FF to Settings.)
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@dcon I don't even have that enabled.
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@Zecc the first image still seems discernible-ish, but ermahgerd, the second and third one make me dizzy.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc I set Windows back to Light mode () and it's not like that now?
True, there's white, light/medium/dark grey, black, and a hint of yellow and blue.
7 colors is way more than I remembered.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc I set Windows back to Light mode () and it's not like that now?
The shadow effect around the windows helps, but I use TeamViewer and AnyDesk a lot and more often than not that effect is missing.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
True, there's white, light/medium/dark grey, black, and a hint of yellow and blue.
7 colors is way more than I remembered.You can see which window is focused though, and the complaint was that you couldn't
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
True, there's white, light/medium/dark grey, black, and a hint of yellow and blue.
7 colors is way more than I remembered.You can see which window is focused though, and the complaint was that you couldn't
You have missed the indicating that this was just shit-posting for the sake of it.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
XP was pretty solid after SP3 but a security nightmare before
It was SP1 that had the critical change (a basic firewall!) but it wasn't turned on by default until SP2. I remember because I turned it on early in SP1 and so avoided the trouble that occurred later in the XP lifecycle.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It doesn't
It might be prettier, but it makes it harder to tell which window has the focus
I've never had that problem. And it's not due to insufficient since I was raised on Windows 3.1.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
since I was raised on Windows 3.1.
You’re too young for that.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
From windows 3.11, the alt-spacebar menu is still completely the same.
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I also want to punch whoever thought clicking a taskbar button of an already focused window minimizes it instead of being a no-op.
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@Zecc I want to punch whomever is responsible for the taskbar button right-click menu.
Having an option to move an out-of-screen application window to e.g. the upper left corner of the primary screen, would have saved a lot of people a lot of frustration. And a lot of calls to me to come and fix it.
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There's an obscure trick to solve that (at least on Win 7, not tested on Win 10):
- hover over the taskbar button for the window
- when the thumbnail appears, right-click it and select Move
- press any cursor key
- move the mouse until the window becomes visible
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@Zerosquare 10 has that too.
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@loopback0 No repro. I only see recent documents, starting a new instance, (un)pinning and closing.
Right-clicking the "new instance" option gives me open, run as admin, (un)pin to Start, (un)pin to Taskbar, Properties.
OH! You mean right-clicking the preview tile. TIL.