WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You think I'm some kind of savage?
You hang out here...
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There's an update for Microsoft Printer?
Is that the POS "XPS Writer" nobody uses?
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@Tsaukpaetra Depends. Sometimes it's a printer that's not properly registered. For example, I had this printer driver for download several times in a row because I connected my Prusa 3D printer directly via USB.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Is that the POS "XPS Writer" nobody uses?
MS also has a "Microsoft Print to PDF" now...
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@dcon Print to PDF is at least useful occasionally. I don't know, and I'd guess 99.9% of other Windows users don't know, either, what "XPS Writer" actually does.
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@HardwareGeek It writes XPS. Duh.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon Print to PDF is at least useful occasionally. I don't know, and I'd guess 99.9% of other Windows users don't know, either, what "XPS Writer" actually does.
I never use it. I do, however, use PrimoPDF all the time! Because it actually allows me to select an existing PDF and append to it. I keep meaning to remove "XPS Writer" to make the print dialog more manageable, but ...
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek It writes XPS. Duh.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek It writes XPS. Duh.
Ah, and the Interwebs tell me that XPS is an "XML [] Paper Specification", which is kinda like a PDF, but less useful and with XML, because Microsoft . I'd never bothered looking it up before (or had forgotten it if I did), because it never seemed worth caring about; I was right.
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@HardwareGeek Everyone knows a name starting with X always means XML. Except when it doesn't.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek It writes XPS. Duh.
Ah, and the Interwebs tell me that XPS is an "XML [] Paper Specification", which is kinda like a PDF, but less useful and with XML, because Microsoft . I'd never bothered looking it up before (or had forgotten it if I did), because it never seemed worth caring about; I was right.
Weren't they going to make Word support XPS (or something like that)?
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek It writes XPS. Duh.
Ah, and the Interwebs tell me that XPS is an "XML [] Paper Specification", which is kinda like a PDF, but less useful and with XML, because Microsoft . I'd never bothered looking it up before (or had forgotten it if I did), because it never seemed worth caring about; I was right.
Weren't they going to make Word support XPS (or something like that)?
It's an output format with little knowledge of what the input looked like beforehand, so probably not? Windows uses it internally for print spooling, but I don't know anyone who uses actual XPS files instead of PDF. (I imagine there are some uses for it, though.)
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@Parody It's a relic from Windows Vista. It uses the same rendering system and most of the same elements as Windows Presentation Foundation. The idea was that apps could dump the
FlowDocument
s andFixedDocument
s they were theoretically already using for screen display directly to the print engine and it'd come out exactly as shown. Needless to say, I've never encountered a WPF app that used the built-in document viewers, used the document system for on-screen documents, or did anything with XPS either import or export. I've used a few WPF apps that print, but half create theFixedDocument
on the fly and the other half eschew WPF printing entirely.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Is that the POS "XPS Writer" nobody uses?
Sometimes I used it to print at home (to xps) and then xps to paper (elsewhere)
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@cabrito said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Is that the POS "XPS Writer" nobody uses?
Sometimes I used it to print at home (to xps) and then xps to paper (elsewhere)
Bwah?! You don't simply "Print to file" and then
copy myfil.prn \\therealprinter\thing
?!?And I'm hearing @Atazhaia tell me NFS works out of the box by flipping the switch!
What world am I in now?!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What world am I in now?!
Command line (
copy
)? Must be Linux.
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@Tsaukpaetra .prn, seriously?
Thats so MS-DOS...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You don't simply "Print to file" and then copy myfil.prn \therealprinter\thing ?!?
That requires knowing beforehand which model of printer you'll print on, and installing its driver. If you use an XPS (or PDF) file, you don't have to do that.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You don't simply "Print to file" and then copy myfil.prn \therealprinter\thing ?!?
That requires knowing beforehand which model of printer you'll print on, and installing its driver. If you use an XPS (or PDF) file, you don't have to do that.
Yes, but why would you ever print to XPS when you can’t print to PDF instead?
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Dunno, ask Microsoft
It's like Silverlight. It wasn't a stupid idea in itself, but there was little reason to use it when Flash had been ubiquitous for that use case for years already.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes, but why would you ever print to XPS when you can’t print to PDF instead?
Well, if you can't print to PDF, printing to XPS would be a way to go...
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Status: Ah, yes, I remember now...
Gotta add some "allow some amount of time for the timestamps to mismatch" to the code now...
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Needless to say, I've never encountered a WPF app that used the built-in document viewers, used the document system for on-screen documents, or did anything with XPS either import or export. I've used a few WPF apps that print, but half create the
FixedDocument
on the fly and the other half eschew WPF printing entirely.Much like how my Desktop Publishing application (back in the day) only printed to PostScript or wrote PDFs. If you printed to a non-PostScript printer it'd render the PS page as an appropriate DPI image and send that rather than try to do anything fancier with GDI or QuickDraw.
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Status: Windows claims the memory is running at 50 GHz.
I doubt this.
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Status: helpful!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: helpful!
Almost as helpful as turning "night mode" on for your camera before taking pictures of your screen
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes, but why would you ever print to XPS when you can’t print to PDF instead?
Well, if you can't print to PDF, printing to XPS would be a way to go...
Which was the point. Microsoft wanted to make a Microsoft-brand replacement for PDF and included the authoring tools free with Windows.
At the time, you had to pay for Acrobat to author things in a mostly-noneditable format.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
At the time, you had to pay for Acrobat to author things in a mostly-noneditable format.
No, there were plenty of free PDF printers available then.
I figured @topspin had a typo and meant:
but why would you ever print to XPS when you can
’tprint to PDF instead?
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@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: helpful!
Almost as helpful as turning "night mode" on for your camera before taking pictures of your screen
I can provide mostly-clear pictures that are pretty dark, or blurry pictures that are pretty bright. Your choice.
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@Tsaukpaetra Provide pretty pictures of any kind. We ain't no reycis here
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Provide pretty pictures of any kind. We ain't no reycis here
Filed under: Irish I was drunk
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Provide pretty pictures of any kind. We ain't no reycis here
Filed under: Irish I was drunk
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: helpful!
Almost as helpful as turning "night mode" on for your camera before taking pictures of your screen
I can provide mostly-clear pictures that are pretty dark, or blurry pictures that are pretty bright. Your choice.
There's only so much you can do in <5 minutes in Paint.NET, but it's better than nothing.
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@Parody And just get this out of the way:
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@Parody Try Irfanview. Less than 1 minute for this:
( Or however long it took me to select Image->Resize Resample...->OK (downsampling to reduce graininess) and Image->Auto-Adjust Colors (to fix color balance). )
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
No, there were plenty of free PDF printers available then.
Most notably: MS Office for over a decade.
Ok fine, not free you get the point.
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
MS Office for over a decade.
Just a decade later than Open/LibreOffice
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https://www.howtogeek.com/685996/whats-new-in-windows-10s-21h1-update-coming-spring-2021/
When Microsoft originally released Windows 10, the company was releasing two big updates a year packed with new features.
In recent years, Microsoft has shifted away from this.
However, Microsoft is breaking the pattern.
Small Updates Mean Fewer Bugs
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
No, there were plenty of free PDF printers available then.
Most notably: MS Office for over a decade.
Ok fine, not free you get the point.I'm pretty sure Windows has it built in now without Office.
Edit: ok fine, still not free but you get the point.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Small Updates Mean Fewer Bugs
Two weeks to flatten the backlog!
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Release early, release often, release broken.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody Try Irfanview. Less than 1 minute for this:
It's not about the tool, it's about the motivation. :)
( Or however long it took me to select Image->Resize Resample...->OK (downsampling to reduce graininess) and Image->Auto-Adjust Colors (to fix color balance). )
Mine was Rectangle Select, draw a box, Image/Crop Selection, Adjustments/Brightness / Contrast, mess with sliders with live preview, OK when happy with it.
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@Parody my version is way easier
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody my version is way easier
It's slightly easier, but you give up control over the color adjustments. Resize vs. crop is a wash as they take the same time and give different results.
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
No, there were plenty of free PDF printers available then.
Most notably: MS Office for over a decade.
Ok fine, not free you get the point.Yeah. But immediately before they were able to add that feature to Office (slightly more than a decade ago), they pushed XPS as a replacement for PDFs that Word actually could create natively.
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@Parody Where was his version anyway? I didn't notice @TimeBandit posting an image.
Crop vs. resize. I skipped crop because . But it's a very easy op in Irfanview too. I only resized because I didn't want to go digging for a suitable blur effect for blending the standing out RGB pixels back together. Because the bright individual pixels were presumed to have an effect on the Auto-Adjust Colors function.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I didn't notice @TimeBandit posting an image.
That's the genius of his version
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I'm worried by how carelessly you're all handling a picture that comes from @Tsaukpaetra. Aren't you worried the curse may be contagious? I wouldn't touch it without at least several nested VMs and a wooden table.
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@Zerosquare Says the man viewing it in Chromium.
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I only read WTDWTF with a burner phone