WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Mega
My pop cult reference cache indicates those are movies about mermaids and them trying to hook up with land dwellers.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Clean install of 20H2.
I still can't read this without thinking of various variations of H2O or Halloween H20.
Wouldn't you fuck a mermaid?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Clean install of 20H2.
I still can't read this without thinking of various variations of H2O or Halloween H20.
Wouldn't you fuck a mermaid?
Unhandled exception System.NonSequiturOverflow
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My heart is pierced by Cupid
I disdain all glittering gold
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Clean install of 20H2.
I still can't read this without thinking of various variations of H2O or Halloween H20.
Wouldn't you fuck a mermaid?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Mega
My pop cult reference cache indicates those are movies about mermaids and them trying to hook up with land dwellers.
Don't worry, I got the reference, so effort wasn't completely wasted. But really, WTF are you doing watching shitty TV show for preteen girls?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Mega
My pop cult reference cache indicates those are movies about mermaids and them trying to hook up with land dwellers.
Don't worry, I got the reference, so effort wasn't completely wasted. But really, WTF are you doing watching shitty TV show for preteen girls?
I don't remember, honestly.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WTF are you doing watching shitty TV show for preteen girls?
Seems right up his alley considering how much he enjoys MLP.
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@loopback0 hey, MLP is pretty good, all things considered. The H2O Whatever is like 5/10 on the 7-10 review scale. (ABZUGSZÜNGELWARNUNG: TVTropes)
My excuse is having a younger sister who refused to eat if the TV wasn't showing her favorite kids channel, and it just so happens they played that show around dinner time pretty often.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
hey, MLP is pretty good, all things considered.
I wasn't commenting on its quality as I've never seen it, just that it's for preteen girls.
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@loopback0 E stands for EVERYONE.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 E stands for EVERYONE.
There's no wrong way to prejudice!
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Status: Windows Server 2012 prompted that I should install Windows Updates.
I miss the days when you could select which updates got installed...
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@Tsaukpaetra I wonder if it has something to do with Windows 7's updater algorithmic complexity getting out of hand.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra I wonder if it has something to do with Windows 7's updater algorithmic complexity getting out of hand.
Yeah, after 5 unsuccessful attempts to just implement a non-braindead algorithm, the lobotomized monkeys at MS decided "fuck it, it's not your computer anymore."
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@TimeBandit laughs in Enterprise 1809
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit laughs in Enterprise 1809
Relatively speaking.
Otherwise I guess it's a similar response as this:
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@boomzilla my Windows Pro has been bugging me for like 4 days to apply updates. This morning, I got tired of it and told it to do it.
After about 1h and multiple reboots, I'm now on 2004
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@topspin I have no control over it. Anywho...TFA talks about "Home" and "Professional" versions. I have no doubt that my company forks over millions of dollars to M$. My use of Windows is mostly limited to being a host for VMWare.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin I have no control over it.
Yeah, that was basically my response. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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@topspin I'm seriously re-evaluating my standard to run Windows 10 for working from home.
My home PC is my gaming machine. When I was told to work from home, I naively choosed the easy path of just installing some tools on it to temporarely do my work. It's been 9 months. If I had known, I would have installed everything on Linux
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@TimeBandit And now I can't connect to the VPN anymore.
Need another reboot, I guess
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I naively choosed the easy path of just installing some tools on it to temporarely do my work
Betcha you're never going to do that again!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Betcha you're never going to do that again!
You think?
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
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@TimeBandit Now you just need to f up your graphic card drivers and you'll be replaying my experience from yesterday. Or maybe to have already f'd them up
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Betcha you're never going to do that again!
You think?
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
*Laughs in broken WSUS*
Wait, what does Windows Update have to do with installing work shit?
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
It always seems to do an update and then immediately is all "Oh BTW there's a .Net update I didn't apply for no obvious reason".
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Betcha you're never going to do that again!
You think?
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
At least it's doing both November and December. Which will probably require their own separate restarts, of course.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
It always seems to do an update and then immediately is all "Oh BTW there's a .Net update I didn't apply for no obvious reason".
Well, it didn't need it before that first update was applied!
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
At least it's doing both November and December. Which will probably require their own separate restarts, of course.
And then there's 20H2...
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Betcha you're never going to do that again!
You think?
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
It always seems to do an update and then immediately is all "Oh BTW there's a .Net update I didn't apply for no obvious reason".
Well, it didn't need it before that first update was applied!
Goddamnit. So mine just applied the .net rollup. Rebooted. "Attention needed!!! REBOOT!" Because the 20H2 rollup just installed (I guess while I logged in). No word about that one before the 1st reboot.
Fucking jinxs.
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@dcon I am a firm believer that the Windows update functionnality was coded by a bunch of interns fresh from high school.
Change my mind ™
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Change my mind ™
I didn't think they were that experienced.
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I definitely don't regret buying Windows 7 Extended Security Updates and avoiding those headaches until 2023.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Goddamnit. So mine just applied the .net rollup. Rebooted. "Attention needed!!! REBOOT!" Because the 20H2 rollup just installed (I guess while I logged in). No word about that one before the 1st reboot.
Of course not. The only way to deal with Windows Update wanting to update is to install, reboot, check for more updates, and repeat until it doesn't find anything.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Goddamnit. So mine just applied the .net rollup. Rebooted. "Attention needed!!! REBOOT!" Because the 20H2 rollup just installed (I guess while I logged in). No word about that one before the 1st reboot.
Of course not. The only way to deal with Windows Update wanting to update is to install, reboot, check for more updates, and repeat until it doesn't find anything.
For me, it never finds anything.
I can't be arsed to un-fuck WSUS so it will actually work and provide updates though.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon I am a firm believer that the Windows update functionnality was coded by a bunch of interns fresh from high school.
Could be; all it did originally was download a list of updates, compare it to what you had installed, and show you the rest of the list.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I can't be arsed to un-fuck WSUS so it will actually work and provide updates though.
For once, the perpetual broken state of your machines has a positive side-effect.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
An "update" is literally nothing more than copying some files from one location to another and changing some registry settings.
Why does an update take hour(s) when a full clean install of Windows, starting with nothing but an empty hard drive, takes about 15 minutes. How is that level of retarded fuckery even possible?
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wouldn't you fuck a mermaid?Based on that picture, the location/existence of mermaid vagina is a bit unclear.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You fuckin piece of shit, you just took an hour to apply updates, with multiple restarts and now you need to do it again?
An "update" is literally nothing more than copying some files from one location to another and changing some registry settings.
Why does an update take hour(s) when a full clean install of Windows, starting with nothing but an empty hard drive, takes about 15 minutes. How is that level of retarded fuckery even possible?
Well, first you have to take a cryptographic hash of every file, so you know what version you’re replacing, and send that to Microsoft. Wouldn’t want the bytes you’re deleting to be wrong. Then you do it all over again, for every subset of files, because you need an exponential complexity algorithm. And by now you haven’t even started copying.
No really, I have no idea what fuckery they came up with.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, first you have to take a cryptographic hash of every file, so you know what version you’re replacing, and send that to Microsoft. Wouldn’t want the bytes you’re deleting to be wrong. Then you do it all over again, for every subset of files, because you need an exponential complexity algorithm. And by now you haven’t even started copying.
No really, I have no idea what fuckery they came up with.Remember this?
Unfortunately, the Windows Update client components used an algorithm with exponential scaling when processing these lists.
Your description is not too far from the truth.
Each additional superseded patch would double the time taken to process the list.
That's some great engineering right there
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Of course not. The only way to deal with Windows Update wanting to update is to install, reboot, check for more updates, and repeat until it doesn't find anything.
That is actually what I do. WinXP trained me - Win10 is no where near as bad as that was!
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If only there was a way to make sure things worked before releasing them, instead of relying on guesses... we could call it Quality Assurance, or something like that...
Yeah I know, that's science-fiction.
The problem for Microsoft, especially for Windows, is the immense variety of weird combinations of goofy stuff that people have, especially given the ... erratic QA of many of the drivers published by the people who make the hardware. It means that getting enough coverage of these combinations is painfully expensive and, ultimately futile.
Case in point, my own experience with BSODs in Win10 2004.
- With HP's "Omen Control Center" (manages various aspects of Omen mice) installed, no problem.
- With Kaspersky Total Internet Security 2019 (or 2020) installed, no problem.
- With both installed, regular BSODs.
- Maybe it's actually the combination of them and Logitech's G-series keyboard software that is the culprit.
The key lesson on software QA is that you can't test everything, and Windows QA falls foul of that because Joe Public's arrary of combinations covers a very large fraction of "everything".
Ugh. This mouse thing turns out to be the mouse sending something that Kaspersky doesn't like. Or maybe it's a polling interval thing. Or something. Using the Omen mouse without the control center software will cause BSODs, but the machine is rock-solid if I don't plug in that mouse.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wouldn't you fuck a mermaid?Based on that picture, the location/existence of mermaid vagina is a bit unclear.
I've seen a documentary about it once:
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
At least 2004 finally fixed the "Update and Shut Down" feature.
It used to be that you'd click it and leave your computer, then turn it on the next day only for it to immediately show "Installing updates 31% complete" because it only prepared the update, not executed it.
Now it will actually prepare, restart, execute the update and then shut down so that the next time you start, your computer will be ready.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, first you have to take a cryptographic hash of every file, so you know what version you’re replacing, and send that to Microsoft. Wouldn’t want the bytes you’re deleting to be wrong. Then you do it all over again, for every subset of files, because you need an exponential complexity algorithm. And by now you haven’t even started copying.
No really, I have no idea what fuckery they came up with.Remember this?
Unfortunately, the Windows Update client components used an algorithm with exponential scaling when processing these lists.
Your description is not too far from the truth.
Each additional superseded patch would double the time taken to process the list.
That's some great engineering right there
And they haven't fixed it for Windows 7. As of 2017, a fresh install would take about 3 hours just to check for updates.