WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
More seriously though, reducing the amount of places to find settings is an improvement.
At this point it would be easier for them to just add the new crap to the old interfaces. The new UI is atrocious. It feels like a high school student's class project.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
I would say probably Yes. I didn't even know that +Pause was a thing, let alone a thing that would bring up Control Panel --> System
In fact, I had to look at my keyboard because my initial thought was "WTF is Pause"?
It's been so long since I used it or even thought about it, I completely forgot that Pause existed.
Did you know you can open Device Manager by right-clicking Start button?
That pissed me off sommat. Dude I was shadowing literally clicked the start button, searched for debive^H^H^H^Hce manger^H^H^Hager, waited for it to appear in the search results (about four seconds), and then clicked it.
I'm like, bruh...
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
Nope, we're at least two. That shortcut is pretty useful, and it works on all Windows versions since Win95.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
I would say probably Yes. I didn't even know that +Pause was a thing, let alone a thing that would bring up Control Panel --> System
In fact, I had to look at my keyboard because my initial thought was "WTF is Pause"?
It's been so long since I used it or even thought about it, I completely forgot that Pause existed.
Did you know you can open Device Manager by right-clicking Start button?
That pissed me off sommat. Dude I was shadowing literally clicked the start button, searched for debive^H^H^H^Hce manger^H^H^Hager, waited for it to appear in the search results (about four seconds), and then clicked it.
I'm like, bruh...
+R,
devmgmt.msc
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
From the panicky article above:
Currently, Windows 10 users can access hardware information about their PC in several places, but the main ways are: Control Panel > System and Security > System, and Settings > System > About, or by typing ‘system information’ into the search bar.
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
Which is bullshit for devices without a pause button...
Or ones without a key.
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@Gąska Did you know you can bring that up with Win+X?
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@CodeJunkie said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
More seriously though, reducing the amount of places to find settings is an improvement.
At this point it would be easier for them to just add the new crap to the old interfaces. The new UI is atrocious. It feels like a high school student's class project.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Did you know you can open Device Manager by right-clicking Start button?
I can do a lot more than that.
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@El_Heffe well, yes, but listing all the options would break the spirit of my post.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
break the spirit of my post.
Breaking spirits is what we do here
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska Did you know you can bring that up with Win+X?
Feels like pressing menu key. How do I disable it so I never do it by accident?
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@Gąska why would you want to? How could you mistakenly make such a key-combo?
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska why would you want to? How could you mistakenly make such a key-combo?
Hey, if I can magic Narrator to pop up mistakenly, Shirley an easier combo (I assume. NFC what the one that popped Narrator was) would be doable...
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@Zerosquare Except, as mentioned, those without the key (Logitech MX Keys has no pause/break key, and Options app can't map one of the remappable keys to it.)
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
I use +Break.
Edit: okay, so it's listed as +Pause in the Keyboard shortcuts in Windows article (access it while it's there!).
But I stand by what I've said. To me Pause would be Shift+Break.
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@Zecc do you have one of those weird keyboards that starts with A instead of Q?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
I use +Break.
Edit: okay, so it's listed as +Pause in the Keyboard shortcuts in Windows article (access it while it's there!).
But I stand by what I've said. To me Pause would be Shift+Break.Usually, break is on the front of the key labeled pause, similar to how sysrq is on the front of the key labeled prnt scrn. Though I note my current keyboard doesn't even label sysrq.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Though I note my current keyboard doesn't even label sysrq.
My current keyboard labels that key as PetScr.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Sorry, you were -ed by @Tsaukpaetra. Better luck next time!
I wonder how many things are going to be removed from Control Panel and never added to Settings. (Because if you think MS won't use this as an excuse to drop stuff they're too to support, I've got a great bridge to sell.)
I wish they'd stop supporting some stuff faster.
Serial Mouse service is still alive. Who the **** uses those anymore!?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc do you have one of those weird keyboards that starts with A instead of Q?
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Usually, break is on the front of the key labeled pause, similar to how sysrq is on the front of the key labeled prnt scrn. Though I note my current keyboard doesn't even label sysrq.
:laptop-user: : "Front of the key"?
My desktop's keyboard doesn't show break on the front of the key either. It's labeled PrtSc/SysRq and Pause/Break in the same way as the !/1 key is.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Sorry, you were -ed by @Tsaukpaetra. Better luck next time!
I wonder how many things are going to be removed from Control Panel and never added to Settings. (Because if you think MS won't use this as an excuse to drop stuff they're too to support, I've got a great bridge to sell.)
I wish they'd stop supporting some stuff faster.
Serial Mouse service is still alive. Who the **** uses those anymore!?
Most likely some kind of ATM vendor which pays through the nose for the extended support.
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That, or some overpriced control device for disabled people.
It also has a "fun" side-effect (the article mentions GPS, but lots of other serial devices can trigger that behavior):
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@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare Except, as mentioned, those without the key (Logitech MX Keys has no pause/break key, and Options app can't map one of the remappable keys to it.)
I classify keyboards with missing keys as "defective by design"
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@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare Except, as mentioned, those without the key (Logitech MX Keys has no pause/break key, and Options app can't map one of the remappable keys to it.)
I've always wondered why those apps tend to be written so you can only map configurable keys onto keys which are already on your keyboard, rather than onto keys which are not.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
From the panicky article above:
Currently, Windows 10 users can access hardware information about their PC in several places, but the main ways are: Control Panel > System and Security > System, and Settings > System > About, or by typing ‘system information’ into the search bar.
Am I the only one who uses +Pause?
That's weird and bizarre and totally non-obvious. Win+PrintScreen would be better, because PrintScreen is noted "SysReq", while the alternative thing for Pause is Break.
Except that Win+PrintScreen dumps a PNG format screen capture in C:\Users%username%\Pictures\Screenshots ...
Ugh.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Except that Win+PrintScreen dumps a PNG format screen capture in C:\Users%username%\Pictures\Screenshots ...
TIL. Discoverability!
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare Except, as mentioned, those without the key (Logitech MX Keys has no pause/break key, and Options app can't map one of the remappable keys to it.)
I classify keyboards with missing keys as "defective by design"
Like US-QWERTY, which lacks keys for éèçàùµ§°² and (via dead keys) äëïöüâêîôûñãàèìòù ?
Granted, on an FR-AZERTY keyboard, the dedicated key for ù is catastrophically useless (an entire key for a letter that appears in exactly one word?), but...
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Except that Win+PrintScreen dumps a PNG format screen capture in C:\Users%username%\Pictures\Screenshots ...
TIL. Discoverability!
To be unfair, I did have to search for where it puts the captures.
Oh, and it calls them all the same thing, suffixed with (1) (2) (3) etc.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare Except, as mentioned, those without the key (Logitech MX Keys has no pause/break key, and Options app can't map one of the remappable keys to it.)
I classify keyboards with missing keys as "defective by design"
Like US-QWERTY, which lacks keys for éèçàùµ§°² and (via dead keys) äëïöüâêîôûñãàèìòù ?
Don't forget ą!
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare Except, as mentioned, those without the key (Logitech MX Keys has no pause/break key, and Options app can't map one of the remappable keys to it.)
I classify keyboards with missing keys as "defective by design"
Like US-QWERTY, which lacks keys for éèçàùµ§°² and (via dead keys) äëïöüâêîôûñãàèìòù ?
Don't forget ą!
OK, well, then FR-AZERTY is defective, too, because it doesn't have a key for that, nor a dead key for the diacritical.
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@Steve_The_Cynic Ї'Ԡ SЏЯԐ ЇҐ'S ЍФҬ ҬӉЄ ФЙLҰ ԞЄҰ ԠЇSSЇЍG
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the dedicated key for ù is catastrophically useless (an entire key for a letter that appears in exactly one word?)
Where?Où?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the dedicated key for ù is catastrophically useless (an entire key for a letter that appears in exactly one word?)
Where?Où?Correct. It is absolutely the only word in French that uses that letter.
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le ‹ ù › est uniquement utilisé pour différencier les homonymes ou et où. Voir accent grave en français.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic Ї'Ԡ SЏЯԐ ЇҐ'S ЍФҬ ҬӉЄ ФЙLҰ ԞЄҰ ԠЇSSЇЍG
You'll need to find a different diacritical for the capital I. I can also type ÄËÏÖÜÂÊÎÔÛÑÃÀÈÌÒÙ using deadkeys. I suggest the Turkish capital dotted I.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic Ї'Ԡ SЏЯԐ ЇҐ'S ЍФҬ ҬӉЄ ФЙLҰ ԞЄҰ ԠЇSSЇЍG
You'll need to find a different diacritical for the capital I.
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But it's a pretty common word, so putting the character on a key is not completely insane.
I'd say the real with the default French layout is that it doesn't include capitals with diacritics like "À", "É", "Ç", etc. and the ligatures like "œ". (The Canadian French one does, but it's QWERTY, not AZERTY.)
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
le ‹ ù › est uniquement utilisé pour différencier les homonymes ou et où. Voir accent grave en français.
"ou" means "or". "où" means "where". Since both are common words, the accent is pretty important.
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@Zerosquare ow.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's been so long since I used it or even thought about it, I completely forgot that Pause existed.
That's the key I hit when I'm really exited to hit Page Up and overshoot the mark.
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@boomzilla fucking scroll lock. What does it evem do, besides triggering blinkenlichten?
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@Gąska Confuse Excel users.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla fucking scroll lock. What does it evem do, besides triggering blinkenlichten?
With my old KVM it used to switch machines for me.
I used to know a guy who used scroll lock (and the arrow keys on the numberpad) all the time (15-20 years ago).
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the arrow keys on the numberpad
Oh god, I've just got flashbacks to the only person I've ever seen using them. He was academic teacher who taught us "advanced OOP" which was code phrase for C++ basics. We weren't allowed to use any part of STL throughout entire semester. The course included such essential OOP subjects as pointers and operator overloading.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic Ї'Ԡ SЏЯԐ ЇҐ'S ЍФҬ ҬӉЄ ФЙLҰ ԞЄҰ ԠЇSSЇЍG
You'll need to find a different diacritical for the capital I.
Huh. TIL.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla fucking scroll lock. What does it evem do, besides triggering blinkenlichten?
On a FreeBSD console, it allows you to scroll back through the history, as you can on an XTerm (or modern equivalent) using the scrollbar.
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@Steve_The_Cynic it's rather ironic. Every Cyrillic letter, even exact duplicates of Latin letters, have got their own code points - while e.g. Turkish "I" and "i" didn't. Which literally caused at least one death due to software getting confused about locale-dependent capitalization rules (Turkish has capital "İ" and lowercase "ı") and accidentally sending a text calling someone's daughter a whore.
And despite 0x10FFFF available codes, some Indian languages still don't have their full alphabet encoded. And don't even get me started on Han unification. The more I read about Unicode, the more I'm convinced all the allegations of racism are completely true.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the arrow keys on the numberpad
Oh god, I've just got flashbacks to the only person I've ever seen using them. He was academic teacher who taught us "advanced OOP" which was code phrase for C++ basics. We weren't allowed to use any part of STL throughout entire semester. The course included such essential OOP subjects as pointers and operator overloading.
That reminds me of a book on C++ that I got for the late Mrs Cynic a long while back, for relative beginners to programming. It expended about half of one of the earlyish chapters on a buggy discussion of class-specific
operator new
. (Buggy because it ignored the passed-in size parameter, which is all fun and games until there's an extra field in a derived class and someone loses an eye.)She asked me about this, and I had to admit that it's a fairly advanced thing that one normally shouldn't mess with, although by blind coincidence, and for extremely dubious reasons, I had in fact that very day just written one at $JOB.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
although by blind coincidence, and for extremely dubious reasons, I had in fact that very day just written one at $JOB.
I remember how I've once spent several hours reading C++ spec trying to find out for sure whether
delete this
is well-formed or not. It took me until the next day to realize it's completely unnecessary anyway and could be easily replaced with something non-retarded.