WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Oh, and where's the "Never again darken my door with this nonsense" button?
No idea, but if anyone knows how to disable this garbage permanently, I’d be happy to know.
@pie_flavor definitely knows the solution. And it will definitely not work on my machine.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Oh, and where's the "Never again darken my door with this nonsense" button?
No idea, but if anyone knows how to disable this garbage permanently, I’d be happy to know.
@pie_flavor definitely knows the solution. And it will definitely not work on
myanyone else’s machine.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor definitely knows the solution. And it will definitely not work on
myanyoneelse’s machine.²
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@boomzilla Sure it can. The authentication certificates come from the DOD ID CA, are in the authentication PIV slot, and have the Client ID EKU, and the e-mail certificates from from the DOD EMAIL CA, are in the digital signature PIV slot, and have the Document Signing EKU. And if all those EKUs are set correctly and checked correctly (which Outlook might not do, so you have me there), it Just Works.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the authentication PIV slot
I'll authenticate any PIV slots upon request!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm not sure they're likely to want to store multiple 6GB .tgz backups of my Perforce (Helix Core) depot
Max two, why would you do more than that?
Force of habit from living with the late Mrs Cynic's paranoid approach to backups. But even so, storing two is probably more than they'd be keen on.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the digital signature PIV slot
Digital SPIV?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm not sure they're likely to want to store multiple 6GB .tgz backups of my Perforce (Helix Core) depot
Max two, why would you do more than that?
Force of habit from living with the late Mrs Cynic's paranoid approach to backups. But even so, storing two is probably more than they'd be keen on.
No, I mean, Perforce already keeps a copy of every file checked in, duplicating it more than once is just wasteful.
I suppose if your depot is single-digit GB then it's not that big a deal...
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@Tsaukpaetra
The digital certificate slot specified as the Authentication Key in section 4.2.2 of Federal Information Processing Standard 201-2, Personal Identity Verification, specifically Data Model Object Container ID 0x101.
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@TwelveBaud you're faxing so many stripes to that poor deck of cards right now.
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@Gąska But that deck of cards stripped off its box and is waving its jack of spades in my face. And we have a thread specifically for that, and a second one in the Lounge; it'd be far more comfortable there. Alternatively, Freds are three.
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@TwelveBaud fun fact: in Poland, Fred is a slang term for dick.
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Remember that Quick Boot is enabled by default on many laptops, requiring you to click a gajillion buttons in Windows system settings before you can get into EFI Setup? Here's how Update & security → Recovery → Advanced startup → Restart now works on a 7" screen:
They might as well have written "Choisir parmi deux options" because there is no way to scroll this thing to choose from more than two, and I don't even see the second one. (Why is it in French? No idea.)
I'm so glad there still is
shutdown /r /fw /t 0
. It's almost as if it's easier to perform certain tasks with a command line. But is, of course, GPD Pocket 2 ignoring me pressing Esc to enter EFI Setup when booting with charger plugged despite Quick Boot being turned off.
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@aitap said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's almost as if it's easier to perform certain tasks with a command line.
Did you include the time and effort required to figure out the right flag combination from help text?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Did you include the time and effort required to figure out the right flag combination from help text?
Yes, if only because I spent a lot of time and effort trying to enter EFI Setup from the pictured screen and failed.
But I also admit .
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@aitap said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
(Why is it in French? No idea.)
Because somewhere else in the world, a French person is wondering about this screen "Pourquoi c'est en anglais ? Aucune idée.". Cosmic balance, you see.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm not sure they're likely to want to store multiple 6GB .tgz backups of my Perforce (Helix Core) depot
Max two, why would you do more than that?
Force of habit from living with the late Mrs Cynic's paranoid approach to backups. But even so, storing two is probably more than they'd be keen on.
No, I mean, Perforce already keeps a copy of every file checked in, duplicating it more than once is just wasteful.
I suppose if your depot is single-digit GB then it's not that big a deal...
It is, indeed, a single-digit number of GB, around 6 at the moment. And that's one backup of the depot plus the previous backup. The one before that gets deleted each time I make a new one. It's that size because I've had this depot since ... well, let's just say that the earliest submitted changelists are datestamped in 2001. It's that big because it has a substantial number of binaries as well, above all Word and Excel documents, which don't store deltas.
Shrug. Regardless of anything, storing backups in the cloud is not something I want to get into.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla Sure it can. The authentication certificates come from the DOD ID CA, are in the authentication PIV slot, and have the Client ID EKU, and the e-mail certificates from from the DOD EMAIL CA, are in the digital signature PIV slot, and have the Document Signing EKU. And if all those EKUs are set correctly and checked correctly (which Outlook might not do, so you have me there), it Just Works.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla Sure it can. The authentication certificates come from the DOD ID CA, are in the authentication PIV slot, and have the Client ID EKU, and the e-mail certificates from from the DOD EMAIL CA, are in the digital signature PIV slot, and have the Document Signing EKU. And if all those EKUs are set correctly and checked correctly (which Outlook might not do, so you have me there), it Just Works.
I have no idea what Outlook does. I've never tried to encrypt email. I'm talking about browsers trying to authenticate using the smart card.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have no idea what Outlook does.
Does anyone?
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Weeeeeee! Frozen. Locked up. 3 second hard reset...here we come!
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have no idea what Outlook does.
Does anyone?
I was called over the other day because someone was having difficulty with Outlook.
Apparently she was trying to accept a calendar-share request (someone was sharing their calendar with her via email invite), and she missed the tiny button at the top that read "Accept" (which was above the Sender and Subject areas and colored like the background).
She was clicking on an email address in the message, which basically said "someone@thecompany.com is sharing their calendar with you.".
In this situation, do you expect:
A.) The invite would just get accepted and the calendar would appear
B.) Outlook would start a new Email (using its own composer) to the email clicked on
C.) A dialog message popping that "Some links in this message were disabled because possible fish."
D.) The Windows Mail app pops up and asks her to sign in to continue.No points for the correct answer. Apparently Outlook is inferior to the Mail App in terms of default protocol association, and the poor gal had a thermite speck in hell's chance to fix it on her own, even with Internet assistance.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
No points for the correct answer.
Which was the correct answer? I'd guess B but I don't really use Outlook on the desktop. D sounds -iest to me.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
D sounds -iest to me.
Yes, most times when I enumerate a WTF list the truth is often last because the async call to
Randomize()
does not replace the passed-in list and I forget about correcting it.
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@aitap said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
and I don't even see the second one.
It's "Advanced Options", which leads to a menu with either 6 or 7 depending on you OEM. After clicking "Advanced Options", I'm pretty sure "Firmware Options" is the bottom left one, which will be just off the bottom of your screen.
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@aitap said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
GPD Pocket 2
I was almost going to get one, but then I said to myself: "@Tsaukpaetra you don't even play games when sitting in front of the computer, what makes you think you'll do it on the go?"
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's "Advanced Options", which leads to a menu with either 6 or 7 depending on you OEM.
Here are the rest of the screens I have been able to reach: 2 3. I couldn't access any of the options past the first two.
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@aitap My question is: Why the fuck can't the UI provide scrollbars?
Not that it's your fault, I've had the same issue when I had an... excessive... number of boot options.
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@Tsaukpaetra I wouldn't call Pockets gaming machines. I used my Pocket 1 to write some useful code and finish two conference talks (I'm not proud of the latter fact). Sure, it runs Quakespasm and StarCraft 1 well, but the battery life is good (approaching one working day, unlike all other laptops I ever owned) only when the CPU is mostly idling. This Pocket 2 was supposed to be a similar productivity gift to a relative, but its battery died. So it goes.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Why the fuck can't the UI provide scrollbars?
Why the fuck does it apply its insane display scaling to recovery menus in the first place?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Why the fuck can't the UI provide scrollbars?
Why the fuck does it apply its insane display scaling to recovery menus in the first place?
See now you're talking about the elephant in the box, the debate is officially ruined!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the debate is officially ruined
Glad to be of service
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Why the fuck does it apply its insane display scaling to recovery menus in the first place?
I didn't expect the setting to propagate into recovery menus, but I think it makes sense: if one is having eyesight problems, surely they shouldn't prevent own attempts at system recovery? Of course, it still doesn't work, but Windows gets half a point for trying.
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All emails sent by me from the Windows 10 Mail app, from my Gmail account, are getting automatically moved into the Spam folder within same account instead of Sent.
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@marczellm said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
All emails sent by me from the Windows 10 Mail app, from my Gmail account, are getting automatically moved into the Spam folder within same account instead of Sent.
This is incorrect?
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Open my laptop...unlock it....black screen...dialog from some kind of Intel graphics thing (it has both an integrated Intel graphics chip and an nvidia (?) card) saying that it had crashed and my backup program sitting there.
Nothing else. No wallpaper. No status bar. Ctrl+Alt+Del works...sign out.
Sign back in and stuff seems back to "normal."
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Open my laptop...unlock it....black screen...dialog from some kind of Intel graphics thing (it has both an integrated Intel graphics chip and an nvidia (?) card) saying that it had crashed and my backup program sitting there.
Nothing else. No wallpaper. No status bar. Ctrl+Alt+Del works...sign out.
Sign back in and stuff seems back to "normal."
This has been an undocumented feature of Windows for many, many years**. At startup, a random number is generated. Depending on the number that comes up, you either get normal operation or something that was working fine previously, is now broken.
**Not really, but sometimes it feels that way
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I have a KVM setup to switch between my personal machine and work. It's hooked up to two monitors. It has a remote control and keyboard controls.
I can switch between the two by hitting Scroll Lock twice. That's really handy as I have no other use for that key.
It can also display each machine on one monitor. That feature is activated by hitting the right side Ctrl twice. This feature sounds cool but is really only convenient if you want to have that setup pretty much all the time. It confuses the hell out of the computers. Windows more so than Linux.
I've mostly trained myself to avoid using that key at all, but it does happen occasionally (and just a few minutes ago while navigating a spreadsheet).
Basically, when I set it back to both monitors on a machine the Windows machine won't display on one of the monitors. It thinks it's displaying according to the Display settings. But it's actually not. The easiest way to get it back that I've found is to tell it to disable the monitor and then when asks to confirm tell it to revert to what it was doing before, which fortunately does not revert to that, but in fact actually does what it says it's doing.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That feature is activated by hitting the right side Ctrl twice.
That would suck. I do that all the time since I have the mouse sonar turned on. (where the fuck is the mouse now!)
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@dcon yeah, I'm pretty good about only using the left Ctrl at this point.
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monitors sometimes not working
I sometimes have a similar issue with my main work laptop (when docking at the office, so not for the past few months). At work I've got a dock hooked up to two monitors. Most of the time this works like it's supposed to: dock the laptop, image appears on both monitors, arranged like
[ 1 ][ 2 ]
. But sometimes, it fails to recognize one or both of the monitors, and refuses to do so until after restarting. Additionally, sometimes this also comes with total non-responsiveness to any keyboard or mouse/trackpad input when docked. Thankfully everything still works when undocked, and I can (grumble and) restart as needed.
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@hungrier I guess that's a good point. The output for my work laptop runs through a dock and the dock is hooked up to the KVM. And the dock can be a bit flakey at times. It's one of the double lighting connector docks.
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@boomzilla Mine is a dedicated dock specific to the laptop. So theoretically it should Just Work™, but somewhere between Windows 10 and Lenovo it all breaks down
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have a KVM setup to switch between my personal machine and work. It's hooked up to two monitors. It has a remote control and keyboard controls.
I can switch between the two by hitting Scroll Lock twice. That's really handy as I have no other use for that key.
It can also display each machine on one monitor. That feature is activated by hitting the right side Ctrl twice. This feature sounds cool but is really only convenient if you want to have that setup pretty much all the time. It confuses the hell out of the computers. Windows more so than Linux.
I've mostly trained myself to avoid using that key at all, but it does happen occasionally (and just a few minutes ago while navigating a spreadsheet).
Basically, when I set it back to both monitors on a machine the Windows machine won't display on one of the monitors. It thinks it's displaying according to the Display settings. But it's actually not. The easiest way to get it back that I've found is to tell it to disable the monitor and then when asks to confirm tell it to revert to what it was doing before, which fortunately does not revert to that, but in fact actually does what it says it's doing.
Bonus : my work laptop sits off to my left. I don't really use that screen for much so I don't really look at it a lot under normal circumstances. Just noticed that there's a fixed portion of it showing an old static bit of my VM window showing over everything else.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That feature is activated by hitting the right side Ctrl twice.
That would suck. I do that all the time since I have the mouse sonar turned on. (where the fuck is the mouse now!)
I have a patterned muscle memory routine to move the mouse in a particular sequence of locations, guaranteeing I know where it is within four steps (usually two).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have a patterned muscle memory routine to move the mouse in a particular sequence of locations, guaranteeing I know where it is within four steps (usually two).
That's a convoluted way of saying you always leave the mouse in a corner of the screen
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You can have printers without havoc?!
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What the fucking fuck. How do you even do that?
Oh, that's right, you have a thousand monkeys, furiously typing away, constantly fucking with things that shouldn't be fucked with.
And no QA.