WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Thanks, @hungrier! (I think you were the one who suggested that last time.)
I don't remember suggesting that in particular but I'm glad it worked out for you
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Well, this is new...
What do we have here...
Oh right. Just stupidity.
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Staggered rollout is weird. Parents shitty old Pentium got 2004 when I poked it for updates. My Ryzen desktop said coming soon. My MacBook is pretending it doesn't exist.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My MacBook is pretending it doesn't exist.
Yeah, weird, what with MacOS ignoring Windows updates!
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My Ryzen desktop said coming soon. My MacBook is pretending it doesn't exist.
Since I forced 2004 and then rolled back to 190
93, my desktop now pretends it doesn't exist. I guess that's expected.
What I'm not sure of, is whether it'll suggest 2004 again at some point when it's had a few more updates/fixes or just ignore it forever until 2009 is out.
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@loopback0 I visited a friend last weekend and his computer was still on 1903. Although when prodding it it at least updated itself to 1909...
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@Atazhaia Oops. Mine was also on 1903 so I'd rolled back from 2004 to 1903, although I did at update from 1903 to 1909 afterwards.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
when prodding it
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One of my machines must've updated to 2004 recently. Which would have been fine except I was trying to log into it today and all I got was a black screen. For some reason best known to itself, dwm.exe was simply not starting. I could C-A-D to get to Task Manager and the session itself was fine, but actually doing anything (useful) was intensely annoying.
sfc /scannow
followed by a reboot appears to have fixed it. I think it might've been related to the first-login-after-update “experience”, which is a noxious pile of shit.
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@Zerosquare I'm surprised they don't just outright ignore hosts file for those cases.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That's probably gonna flag on my system then... Cause I use the file from https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
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I'm not sure the article's interpretation is correct, by the way. If I understand correctly, it's triggered by any entry that matches a MS domain name, not just telemetry. So they're probably doing that because some malware do that to prevent users from downloading security fixes ; the fact it also detects attempts to disable telemetry may not be the main purpose.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
some malware do that to prevent users from downloading security fixes
In case of Windows 10, I wouldn't call that malware.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
some malware do that to prevent users from downloading security fixes
In case of Windows 10, I wouldn't call that malware.
Can I block Edge as malware? Please?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare I'm surprised they don't just outright ignore hosts file for those cases.
I'm sure that they do.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
One of my machines must've updated to 2004 recently. Which would have been fine except I was trying to log into it today and all I got was a black screen. For some reason best known to itself, dwm.exe was simply not starting. I could C-A-D to get to Task Manager and the session itself was fine, but actually doing anything (useful) was intensely annoying.
sfc /scannow
followed by a reboot appears to have fixed it. I think it might've been related to the first-login-after-update “experience”, which is a noxious pile of shit.I disabled the post-update experience. As well as most other bullshit in Windows. Just the risk of Windows silently reactivating bullshit is constant, but SilentInstallAppsEnabled = 0 has been safe this far and that’s the largest bullshit to have enabled.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
post-update experience
Also known as "Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder".
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
post-update experience
Also known as "Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder".
My files were where I left them. I just couldn't get any UI to do anything with them…
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@dkf Who needs a UI anyway? FTW!
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dkf Who needs a GUI anyway? FTW!
FTF
Shell is a UI.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Shell is a UI.
Depends who in the community you ask.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Shell is a UI.
Depends who in the community you ask.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What do we have here...
Oh right. Just stupidity.
Oh. That arrow's an "expand" button. Fucking modern UI.
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This one weird trick made my computer boot 3 MINUTES FASTER!!! (ON SSD!)
- Navigate to
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache
. - Remove everything inside.
No more black screen after login! No more problems with start menu search! No more waiting forever after every click in Settings app! No more dozen warnings every second in Event Log with ESENT complaining about corrupted database!
I'm not kidding. I literally had dozen warnings every second in Event Log all the time, all the fucking time from login to shutdown, with ESENT complaining about corrupted database. It absolutely devastated the poor old HDD and triggered me to switch to SSD, because it was too slow to even figure out what's wrong with it.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
- Navigate to
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache
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E_NO_SUCH_DIRECTORY
Oh well, my computer already boots in about 2 minutes, and half of that is the BIOS check. There's probably something I could tweak in the BIOS to speed it up but . . . .
Once I get past the BIOS screen, Windows boots and is usable in about a minute. If I sped it up by 3 minutes Windows would boot in -2 minutes. Not sure I want to risk the quantum implications of negative boot time. I have a really nice desk. I would hate to have it disappear into a time warp.
Although, it would be sort of neat to have a computer that boots up 2 minutes before I turn it on.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
- Navigate to
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache
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E_NO_SUCH_DIRECTORY
Did you enable showing system files?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
E_NO_SUCH_DIRECTORY
Did you enable showing system files?
Oh . . .Right. I always forget about that stupidity.
Not much there and it won't let me delete anything. Oh well, everything is working OK. Not in a big hurry to mess with it.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
- Navigate to
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache
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E_NO_SUCH_DIRECTORY
Did you enable showing system files?
cmd> cd /d %LOCALAPPDATA%
Or simply type
%LOCALAPPDATA%
into the explorer bar.
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@dcon are you using @Tsaukpaetra's computer? Because I don't see how else you would end up with %LOCALAPPDATA% pointing to WebCache folder.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Because I don't see how else you would end up with %LOCALAPPDATA% pointing to WebCache folder.
No. It would be:
%localappdata%\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon are you using @Tsaukpaetra's computer? Because I don't see how else you would end up with %LOCALAPPDATA% pointing to WebCache folder.
to type in the rest of the path. But once you're in that one, you don't have to worry about hidden folders anymore.
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This random laptop I'm prepping decided it needed 2004. We'll see what it does...
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon are you using @Tsaukpaetra's computer? Because I don't see how else you would end up with %LOCALAPPDATA% pointing to WebCache folder.
to type in the rest of the path. But once you're in that one, you don't have to worry about hidden folders anymore.
Hidden - no. But system folders have separate checkbox that everybody always forgets about.
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It's back...
I don't recall seeing this at the link before...
Current status as of July 22, 2020
Windows 10, version 2004 is available for users with devices running Windows 10, versions 1903 and 1909, who manually seek to “Check for updates” via Windows Update. We are now starting a new phase in our rollout. Using the machine learning-based (ML-based) training we have done so far, we are increasing the number of devices selected to update automatically to Windows 10, version 2004 that are approaching end of service. We will continue to train our machine learning through all phases to intelligently rollout new versions of Windows 10 and deliver a smooth update experience. The recommended servicing status is Semi-Annual Channel.
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@loopback0 'tis a lie. I checked for updates manually and it wouldn't let me download it.
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@Gąska Yeah me too. I ended up forcing it last time before rolling it back.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Using the machine learning-based (ML-based) training we have done so far, we are increasing the number of devices selected to update automatically to Windows 10
I cannot even...
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@topspin that part actually makes sense. They're making statistics on what kinds of problem what kinds of PC configurations have, calculate compatibility score based on this, make tiny patches to fix things, then deploy W10 to new computers that are predicted based on their spec to have high compatibility score. Machine learning is a perfect tool for that.
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If only there was a way to make sure things worked before releasing them, instead of relying on guesses... we could call it Quality Assurance, or something like that...
Yeah I know, that's science-fiction.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If only there was a way to make sure things worked before releasing them, instead of relying on guesses...
Oh, I know! Microsoft could release their own line of desktop PCs and laptops, with 3 hardware configurations in each category, and make Windows 10 refuse to run on anything else! All their competitors do that and people love it!
Other than that - no, there really isn't a way.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Oh, I know! Microsoft could release their own line of desktop PCs and laptops, with 3 hardware configurations in each category, and make Windows 10 refuse to run on anything else! All their competitors do that and people love it!
No, they couldn't. Even people who use MS hardware still encounter hardware support bugs.
Other than that - no, there really isn't a way.
I guess the pre-Windows 8 days (when botched updates were the exception rather than the norm) were just something I dreamed, then. And that all of those QA people MS fired back then were just spending their day twiddling their thumbs.
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@Zerosquare are we shitting on MS for not having QA (which is very shitty, I agree), or are we talking about whether it makes sense to use ML to predict compatibility problems?
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Using ML in addition to QA is a Good Idea™. Using ML as a replacement for QA is a Bad Idea™.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 yeah, I hate this recent trend of changing what words mean too.
Oh you mean how PC now means computer running Windows instead of Personal Computer and Mac means some other kind of computer that is technically a personal computer but can't be called a PC for false dichotomy reasons, but can in fact run Windows too?
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@CodeJunkie said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 yeah, I hate this recent trend of changing what words mean too.
Oh you mean how PC now means computer running Windows
I can already hear Linux fanboys screaming in anger
PC never meant every personal computer. Never. It has always been a brand name. Just like not every common people's car is a Volkswagen, just like not every farmers' credit union is Crédit Agricole, not every personal computer is PC. In modern times (post-1990), "PC" is short for "PC-compatible computer".
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I can already hear Linux fanboys screaming in anger
PC never meant every personal computer. Never. It has always been a brand name. Just like not every common people's car is a Volkswagen, just like not every farmers' credit union is Crédit Agricole, not every personal computer is PC. In modern times (post-1990), "PC" is short for "PC-compatible computer".
Indeed. Macs not being PCs is AIUI a throwback to their PowerPC heritage.
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@CodeJunkie said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
can in fact run Windows too
Not any more!
(once they switch to ARM)
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@heterodox I wouldn't be surprised if even AMD64 Macs weren't fully compatible with PC standards. Windows definitely has some built-in hacks to make it run better on Macs. After all, Windows is 5% functionality and 95% compatibility shims.