WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WHEA errors seem to have stopped after I disabled the wireless adapter.
You actually may be in luck if it's that. I can't say for sure since every model is a special snowflake, but the past three Dell laptops I've had (as well as a couple self-built ITX desktops and a Shuttle) have an M.2 A/E port for the wireless capabilities. Easier to get FCC certification that way, I've heard.
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This is an odd way of pushing this notification...
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@mott555 - Why VirtualBox rather than Hyper-V???
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@TheCPUWizard said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 - Why VirtualBox rather than Hyper-V???
It's been a few years since I've used Hyper-V, but last time I tried it, it had terrible support for Linux guests. Especially for the odd flavors of Linux our customers like to use.
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@TheCPUWizard said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 - Why VirtualBox rather than Hyper-V???
Presumably, Work.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
There is also a few things VirtualBox can do that Hyper-V can't (and won't ever) do
Like running on a Linux host
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And emulate USB 3.0 controller
AFAIK, only if you enable the non-free additions, so you better prepare to get raped by Oracle.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And emulate USB 3.0 controller
AFAIK, only if you enable the non-free additions, so you better prepare to get raped by Oracle.
They're free for personal use.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And emulate USB 3.0 controller
AFAIK, only if you enable the non-free additions, so you better prepare to get raped by Oracle.
They're free for personal use.
Yeah, but I have the VM installed on a employer provided laptop, and they changed how they define "personal" some time ago, so I'm not going to risk any trouble with their lawyers.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Like running on a Linux host
And macOS host as well.
And emulate USB 3.0 controller, and pass-through of physical USB devices and disks, etc, etc.
Out of curiosity, I googled the difference. Ah - makes more sense now... Type 1 vs Type 2 hypervisors. Once I understood that difference...
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Like running on a Linux host
Note this is "Windows 10 and nothing else"...your comment is irrelevant (and a big part of why I asked)
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They're free for personal use.
That's fine, I am the only person that uses them.
Might as well skip reading the EULA at all so you're not bound to it at that point.
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Apparently (from the screenshots) it looks like it will be sharing virtual server folders (kinda like VirtualBox or VMware VM folder sharing).
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@TheCPUWizard said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Note this is "Windows 10 and nothing else"...your comment is irrelevant (and a big part of why I asked)
Since Windows 10 integrates Linux, it is relevant
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TheCPUWizard said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Note this is "Windows 10 and nothing else"...your comment is irrelevant (and a big part of why I asked)
Since Windows 10 integrates Linux, it is relevant
I can imagine how broken it would be to install Virtualbox in a virtualized Linux for the purposes of running a virtualized Windows VM...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
install Virtualbox in a virtualized Linux for the purposes of running a virtualized Windows VM...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Apparently (from the screenshots) it looks like it will be sharing virtual server folders (kinda like VirtualBox or VMware VM folder sharing).
It's also just making the already existing share (more) visible. You can already reach the WSL's file system.
Either you type
explorer.exe .
while inside the WSL, or you enter\\wsl$\distribution-name
in the Explorer from the Windows side.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I can imagine how broken it would be to install Virtualbox in a virtualized Linux for the purposes of running a virtualized Windows VM...
Don't go down that rabbit hole! Back when I worked at VMWare, I had a VM that ran vSphere. That ran VMs. That I tested the tools installer inside of. I was often working in multiple levels of VM thru multiple levels of RDP sessions. Somehow I left there with my sanity. (WHAAAAT???)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Somehow I left there with my sanity.
Narrator: "...he said to a teddy bear sitting next to him."
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Somehow I left there with my sanity.
Narrator: "...he said to a teddy bear sitting next to him."
Hey! I have very interesting conversations with my dogs...
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Somehow I left there with my sanity.
Narrator: "...he said to a teddy bear sitting next to him."
Hey! I have very interesting conversations with my dogs...
Mental image: @dcon drawing eyes and mouths on hot dogs.
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A tiny W10 :
Some intranet website wasn't working with my usual browser so I decided to try with Edge, which I usually don't use. So, click the start menu and...
First, let's lazily scroll down in the list of applications to "E"... Nope, nothing here. OK, whatever, let's type "edge"... nope, still nothing. Uh, did IT manage to not install Edge at all??? Oh no, wait, if I scroll again in the list, actually it's there, under M as in "Microsoft Edge". Which, unless I am very mistaken, does contain "edge" in its name.
Windows, how can you not show me an application that is there?
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@levicki Well it gets even better than that.
I just tried again typing "edge" and guess what, now it finds it!
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki Well it gets even better than that.
I just tried again typing "edge" and guess what, now it finds it!
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki Well it gets even better than that.
I just tried again typing "edge" and guess what, now it finds it!
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Not sure if you're being serious here.
Granted, I don't use search a lot (perhaps >99% of my work is done with a tiny set of applications that I usually open from elsewhere than the menu, such as double-clicking a file, or stuff pinned in the taskbar), but it's not like this application came and went across the days. It's been on my computer from day 1, so what kind of search indexer they've implemented that manages to decay results when the search itself is never used?
Also, Edge should have a tile pinned on Start and on taskbar. It takes special effort to customize Windows install to exclude it from there.
I'm probably the one responsible for those, but that's irrelevant to my bite. I don't use Edge, so I unpinned it from the taskbar. I may also have unpinned it from the menu, I don't remember (and I don't use the menu much either, so I would probably not care if it was pinned there, but OTOH I might very well have unpinned it one day and forgot about it). But the "special effort" it took me was just right-click, unpin, so it's not really that special (I know, that was a user-customisation, not an install-customisation, but that doesn't matter to me now).
But in any case, that's hardly an excuse for search to fail (why would there be any relation between searching the menu and pinning?), especially since I didn't have to go to any special length to unpin (so it's not like I dug into the registry and broke some subtle internals, I just used an easily available user feature).
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Especially literal matches of the characters you type in! You sound like talking about
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Windows search is completely useless and making start menu rely on it made start menu completely useless too.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Windows search is completely useless and making start menu rely on it made start menu completely useless too.
That's search in general.
Hey, you just entered the first few letters of a site you visited last week in the Awesome Bar™! I know what you want to do with that! You want to bing for it on google!
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Windows search is completely useless and making start menu rely on it made start menu completely useless too.
That's search in general.
Hey, you just entered the first few letters of a site you visited last week in the Awesome Bar™! I know what you want to do with that! You want to bing for it on google!
Well, that's just what you get for using FF.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Windows search is completely useless and making start menu rely on it made start menu completely useless too.
That's search in general.
Hey, you just entered the first few letters of a site you visited last week in the Awesome Bar™! I know what you want to do with that! You want to bing for it on google!
Well, that's just what you get for using FF.
Yes, I'm sure edge will want to duckduckgo for it on bing instead.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Windows search is completely useless and making start menu rely on it made start menu completely useless too.
That's search in general.
Hey, you just entered the first few letters of a site you visited last week in the Awesome Bar™! I know what you want to do with that! You want to bing for it on google!
Well, that's just what you get for using FF.
Yes, I'm sure edge will want to duckduckgo for it on bing instead.
There are configurable non-retarded alternatives, like Vivaldi.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Especially literal matches of the characters you type in! You sound like talking about
They should try the indexer instead
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well, you know, if you are not using search regularily, you can't expect the search indexer picking up things you were never searching for.
Windows search is completely useless and making start menu rely on it made start menu completely useless too.
That's search in general.
Hey, you just entered the first few letters of a site you visited last week in the Awesome Bar™! I know what you want to do with that! You want to bing for it on google!
Well, that's just what you get for using FF.
Yes, I'm sure edge will want to duckduckgo for it on bing instead.
There are configurable non-retarded alternatives, like Vivaldi.
Which will yahoo for it on altavista?
FWIW, Firefox works sane for me.
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@levicki Might be just me, but I wonder why literally any other indexed search does the job far better and isn't getting corrupted either. And even without any indexing (that clearly doesn't work) it should find it in milliseconds simply because it's there. Finding a partial string match in a couple hundred (for people who install all the things) start menu entries doesn't even need a fucking index.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Might be just me, but I wonder why literally any other indexed search does the job far better and isn't getting corrupted either.
Because those indexed searches use an actual database, whereas the people who bring you Windows Search are the same people who think that the Registry is a proper database.
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@levicki Ok, it's not a list of strings. What is the difference (and I don't mean nor care about implementation) between file system folders and this "virtual shell namespace"? The latter is only a half-assed file system for equally half-assed reasons (such as Libraries). Both are trees that need to be traversed, and can be at great speed, effectively being lists.
Now, building index so that file system changes are reflected into it is difficult... until we remember that Metro apps in particular cannot be renamed (to, for example, Microsoft Wedge - which is exactly what it does most of the time) or moved without App Installer knowing about it.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It is reasonable to assume that when it's not pinned to Start it might not enumerate it since it assumes you unpinned it because you don't want to use it.
Reasonable only if you're thinking about lazy bullshit excuses for why Mi¢ro$oft can't do simple things like search the programs you have installed.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It is reasonable to assume that when it's not pinned to Start it might not enumerate it since it assumes you unpinned it because you don't want to use it.
Reasonable only if you're thinking about lazy bullshit excuses for why Mi¢ro$oft can't do simple things like search the programs you have installed.
As he said, he’s making an assumption (that he deems reasonable) about why Windows search is fucking retarded (i.e. he’s assuming because he doesn’t know for sure), not defending that it is retarded.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
simple things like search the programs you have installed.
It's funny you consider this "simple". Exhibit A: The Add/Remove Programs control panel, which can take upwards of five minutes to list the "installed" programs consisting of maybe a few kilobytes of text entries....
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra You really need to upgrade your PC stat.
I shouldn't need much more than an 8 MHz CPU and a meg of RAM for such a task. Yet in all the SSD and 32 GB and 3.7 GHz it takes forever to list known things.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra What did you do to that poor thing? Mine opens in like less than a second.
Oh, the App opens in a second. The list itself doesn't finish dancing around for quite some time.
I wonder if Microsoft did an amazing and fixed it now?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra I meant both the app and the list. I am opening programs and features directly, not that Settings abomination of apps list.
Yeah, that one.
I just opened it, took ten seconds to stop bouncing.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Then you definitely have way too much crap installed. Maybe a full nuke and pave of Windows will sort that out for you.
That is scheduled for when I swap in my new 970 EVO.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
simple things like search the programs you have installed.
It's funny you consider this "simple". Exhibit A: The Add/Remove Programs control panel, which can take upwards of five minutes to list the "installed" programs consisting of maybe a few kilobytes of text entries....
I never said that MS considered it simple.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
simple things like search the programs you have installed.
It's funny you consider this "simple". Exhibit A: The Add/Remove Programs control panel, which can take upwards of five minutes to list the "installed" programs consisting of maybe a few kilobytes of text entries....
LOL. If you've ever had to un-fuck an MSI install that went off the rails, you'd know why it takes so long! (In a previous life, I wrote installers. Sometimes during dev, and especially since we were installing drivers, something would die in a spectacular way. After the first time that happened, all testing was done in a VM with checkpoints!)
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Then you definitely have way too much crap installed. Maybe a full nuke and pave of Windows will sort that out for you.
Some of us have to install Visual Studio plus other dev tools. "Too much crap" is pretty much a given. (that said, my control panel didn't even have time to display the progress. i7-6700K with 32G. My low end laptop takes a lot longer...)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
In a previous life, I wrote installers.
Ah, that's why you got reincarnated as an animal.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
any other indexed search
Everything has made such an improvement to my day to day computer usage
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Then you definitely have way too much crap installed. Maybe a full nuke and pave of Windows will sort that out for you.
IIRC, he literally does so every once in a while
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Some of us have to install Visual Studio plus other dev tools. "Too much crap" is pretty much a given.
Same here, so no idea why you are bringing that up as an excuse for Programs and Features to work that much slower for @Tsaukpaetra than me or you. Knowing him, he is probably hoarding porn games by the terabytes so no wonder it takes that long.
Because the rest of what I wrote points out that machines without as much power/memory are slower. Maybe I should have mentioned that my low end machine takes something like 15 seconds (at least) to show everything. (Can't check right now as it's turned off)
And, as I recall, @Tsaukpaetra loves running a machine on the edge of what we would call unusable!