WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Trying to make my own unattended Windows 10 install ISO (as in ye olde days).
Uh, duh, I want it set to nothing, WTF are you doing??!?
They forgot to move away the text cursor after editing the message box's text. Classic mistake.
Hey, be glad I moved the mouse out of frame.
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
search terms leading to porn sites.
is there any other kind?
Most of my searches lead to pages telling me to use jquery.
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Search terms leading to fetish sites, natch.
Yeah, that seems about right, I guess.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
search terms leading to porn sites.
is there any other kind?
Most of my searches lead to pages telling me to use jquery.
I wonder how many more years until the average reaction to this joke will be "WTF is jquery?"
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
search terms leading to porn sites.
is there any other kind?
Most of my searches lead to pages telling me to use jquery.
I wonder how many more years until the average reaction to this joke will be "WTF is jquery?"
I'm looking forward to when everyone reacts to JS the same way everyone reacts to PHP now.
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm looking forward to when everyone reacts to JS the same way everyone reacts to PHP now.
You mean complain how terrible it is and yet implement half the internet with it?
Don't be ridiculous, that's never going to happen.
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In the news today I read that Microsoft is phasing out the ability to create a local user account in Windows 10. If it detects internet access, the first account must be a Microsoft account. The option to create a local user is missing in some countries during the OOBE.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I read that Microsoft is phasing out the ability to create a local user account in Windows 10. If it detects internet access, the first account must be a Microsoft account.
This unfortunately has existed for a little while now. I ran into this while configuring a new Windows 10 Pro system that was going to be shipped to a customer. Yeah, Microsoft, I really want to use my personal Microsoft account to log into a workstation that's about to transfer to another company....
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If it detects internet access
A-hah! That's how to fix it…
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Downloading a Windows 10 ISO from the Microsoft site on a non-Windows computer.
Select version. There's only one option but sure, I'll select it from the dropdown anyway.
Select language.
Click Confirm.It's been at least two minutes and hasn't started the download yet.
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@loopback0 7 minutes later it's still validating.
I've given up and downloaded the Media Creation Tool on my Windows 10 desktop and it's creating the ISO. You win this time, Microsoft.
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@loopback0 There's some sketchy looking site with a bunch of Windows ISOs that end up being downloaded from official Microsoft domains, but I can't recall what it is. I used it a while back when I had to unbrick my XBox controller, which required a particular version of Windows
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I read that Microsoft is phasing out the ability to create a local user account in Windows 10. If it detects internet access, the first account must be a Microsoft account.
This unfortunately has existed for a little while now. I ran into this while configuring a new Windows 10 Pro system that was going to be shipped to a customer. Yeah, Microsoft, I really want to use my personal Microsoft account to log into a workstation that's about to transfer to another company....
Yeah. It's.. a real pain. Hell, I even link my Microsoft account to my (domain) profile. Once it's set up.
Please don't force me to log in with my MS account to create the temporary local user. It's a damn throwaway account ffs
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@hungrier Yeah but it was faster to just go to the same site on another computer than to find another source.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This unfortunately has existed for a little while now. I ran into this while configuring a new Windows 10 Pro system that was going to be shipped to a customer.
On Pro the option to create a local account is hidden in the "Domain join" option which doesn't join a domain.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This unfortunately has existed for a little while now. I ran into this while configuring a new Windows 10 Pro system that was going to be shipped to a customer.
On Pro the option to create a local account is hidden in the "Domain join" option which doesn't join a domain.
I thought that was hilarious myself. "oh, you wanted to join a domain? Well, shucks, we still can't do that at this point, you're gonna have to cum back and do that by hand later."
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
in the "Domain join" option which doesn't join a domain.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I thought that was hilarious myself.
Don't you need to be running under local account with admin rights to be able to change network settings and thus initiate domain join (for which you also must enter domain admin credentials)? I don't see a there at all.
It could initiate the domain join at the time, but it doesn't despite being the option labelled "Domain join".
You select the option, create a local account and it boots into Windows where you need to manually initiate the domain join.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
in the "Domain join" option which doesn't join a domain.
It does let you join an Office 365 (or whatever) cloud Active Directory domain, just not a traditional "you're local here on the network" domain.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I thought that was hilarious myself.
Don't you need to be running under local account with admin rights to be able to change network settings and thus initiate domain join (for which you also must enter domain admin credentials)? I don't see a there at all.
You're misreading me. I didn't say it was a WTF, I said it was hilarious. At the point in the wizard, you haven't yet finished setting the computer name and are (if memory serves) running the wizard as
SYSTEM
, so there's really no reason you shouldn't be able to join a domain at that point (in my opinion).Also, easiest way to get Windows 10 to let you create local account is to not connect to network (physically, as in don't plug the ethernet in and keep Wi-Fi radio off) until after you login.
That wasn't in question. Why are you mentioning this?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 So, the for you is that it doesn't initiate join automatically once you create an account and sign in? I'll give you that, but the rest isn't a because you need local admin account in case you lose domain connectivity later or want to disjoin it.
If you lose domain connectivity later... as in, during the join? Or.... what?
During the domain-join process you normally provide a user account, which (in traditional fashion) would become a local account if you remove the computer from the domain (during the wizard it explicitly asks for this, actually).
I don't see the problem you're conflating here.
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Status: So I'm working on locking down a system image to mass deploy with, and I'm in Audit Mode from a fresh ya-just-got-this-from-Microsoft ISO.
Looking at the base firewall rules...
Why do games that aren't even installed yet on the fuckin' firewall?
Also, apparently Microsoft deems it necessary to provision firewall rules forTake a Test
, their "Scure Assessment Browser" App I guess?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm working on locking down a system image to mass deploy with
Oh, and the "instructions" I was provided to do this:
OMG sensitive information NDA Do Not Share!!!
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
During join you provide domain administrator credentials
You can provide a bog-standard user account, actually. Do you know what you're talking about?
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If you are away from the domain network long enough, and you use all cached domain logons you will need to authenticate with a domain controller for next login which means you will be locked out if you don't have a local administrator access.
Sucks to be you I guess. By that point I'd assume most companies would assume that asset was lost and wouldn't want any ol' joe to access it, but you know what they say about a physically-insecure computer...
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Getting updated to 1809 as I post.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Good luck with that, it's going to take a while unless you know what you are doing. It took me months and dozens of VM installs to automate that for my needs.
Meh. Minimal effort on my part, mostly filling in an
autounattend.xml
file while replacing the first user's shell with a batch script.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So, the for you is that it doesn't initiate join automatically once you create an account and sign in?
That and it doesn't do it in the setup wizard thing.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'll give you that, but the rest isn't a because you need local admin account in case you lose domain connectivity later or want to disjoin it.
Yeah I know that, I wasn't questioning that part of it.
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It does let you join an Office 365 (or whatever) cloud Active Directory domain, just not a traditional "you're local here on the network" domain.
That's after clicking "Sign in for an organisation" (or however it's phrased) and before clicking "Domain join".
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 So, the for you is that it doesn't initiate join automatically once you create an account and sign in? I'll give you that, but the rest isn't a because you need local admin account in case you lose domain connectivity later or want to disjoin it.
No the is that they have an entire option called "I don't want to make an account, join a domain instead" (or something like that) which proceeds to have you create an account and not join a domain..
(To be fair, I think it gives you the option to pick Azure AD and join it, too, which does work from OOBE. But still)
That's like the cashier saying "would you like your receipt emailed, printed, or both", you say "oh emailed please" and they say "oh of course. Now, we can't email it ourselves but I can print it out and then you can scan it in and email it to yourself". Why even have the option???
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That's after clicking "Sign in for an organisation" (or however it's phrased) and before clicking "Domain join"
FAKEEDIT: Ah ok. Couldn't remember the order.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You can provide a bog-standard user account, actually. Do you know what you're talking about?
Well, really it's any account that can domain join. Which depends on how permissions are set up. IIRC default is "any account" although in practice the only domains I've had need to join a PC to have been ones that I was super-admin for.
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@Tsaukpaetra wait disable UAC? What???? What the hell kind of advice is.. Jesus.
EDIT and post spam but combining posts on mobile sounds like work and
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@sloosecannon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra wait disable UAC? What???? What the hell kind of advice is.. Jesus.
EDIT and post spam but combining posts on mobile sounds like work and
Not only disable UAC, but apply the hack that works around what happens when you disable UAC and apps that actually expect to be elevated don't get a full admin token (or whatever) so they don't have Admin privs even though you're running from an Admin account.
Edit: I'm reasonably satisfied at the moment.
I'm not going to do more than 80 percent of the things on that list, and having it not install the shit from the Windows Store is probably more than what I need at the moment.
And it only uses 11 GB post install!
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra If you follow those instructions which happen to meticulously disable any and all Windows security measures to be able to run some shitty software, then congratulations on making machines that will be part of a botnet once they get infected by malware.
Yes. I prodded $immediateSupervisor about it.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Intentionally crippling OS security should be a criminal offense, and the person who wrote those instructions should be taken out back and shot, no questions asked.
I'm leaving a big fat I TOLD YOU SO message in that build.
I mean, I can understand not wanting forced Major Updates, and the Consumer Experience shoving shit apps onto the install at first boot, but a majority of the stuff listed is either harmful, extremely harmful, or deliberately malicious....
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
A-hah! That's how to fix it…
You jest but I never connect a new install to the network until I am done setting up everything, including account.
No, he does not jest. The only way to get past that screen during installation is to yank out the ethernet cable.
...On three machines for both myself and extended family since November...
Edit:
by so many people that maybe I should start reading the thread to the end before replying.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Getting updated to 1809 as I post.
First observation:
When I start work in the morning, I fire up VirtualBox:
vir
Enter. Muscle memory at this point.But now...the "default" result is "On Screen Keyboard...Desktop App." Which, of course, has literally none of the letters I typed.
Good jerb you fuckers.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
has literally none of the letters I typed
Did you remember to enclose it in quotes?
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
has literally none of the letters I typed
Did you remember to enclose it in quotes?
No, I didn't predict that Windows would sabotage search in this manner. However, having tried that now that you suggested it I get web results starting with the Virginia Lottery.
A few seconds of experimentation has shown that "ora" finds
Oracle VM Virtualbox
so I'll just have to update my muscle memory.
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@boomzilla There may be a way to un-fuck it. Do you use cortana?
Google says https://www.howtogeek.com/319943/three-ways-to-quickly-search-your-computers-files-on-windows-10/ :
There’s no way to only search your local PC’s files while searching your PC—not unless you disable Cortana via the registry.
In other words, disabling Cortana should kill the web results.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla There may be a way to un-fuck it. Do you use cortana?
I have no idea. Probably?
Google says https://www.howtogeek.com/319943/three-ways-to-quickly-search-your-computers-files-on-windows-10/ :
There’s no way to only search your local PC’s files while searching your PC—not unless you disable Cortana via the registry.
In other words, disabling Cortana should kill the web results.
Hmm...
Pro and Enterprise Users: Disable Cortana via Group Policy
Yeah, that's not going to work.
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Just tried searching for
vir
again and Windows seems to have figured out how to search for the letters I typed.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Just tried searching for
vir
again and Windows seems to have figured out how to search for the letters I typed.It musta been indexing still...
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@boomzilla Inb4 I suggest Launchy
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla Why 1809 and not 1909?
Because 8 is not 9.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla Inb4 I suggest Launchy
The Windows start thing works well enough for the 3 things I launch daily (virtualbox, my vpn client and outlook).
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@boomzilla I thought so too, until the Start search box randomly forgot that I had software installed. But anyway if it's just three things you could also pin them to the taskbar
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@hungrier shaming it here seems to have been enough for it to get its act together.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla Or you could have made three shortcuts on your taskbar or (gasp!) desktop and never have to type anything. Almost like magic.
Sounds like more effort effort to me. It's OK, Windows was only completely retarded for a little bit.
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@boomzilla
So you got the virtual keyboard?
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@Luhmann yes, I assume that was behind Windows' brain fart.
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@boomzilla
There are two applications I regularly use that have names sharing a common prefix. Searching for them, which one it matches tends to vary depending on (a) how much of the prefix I've typed, and (b) which of them I used most recently (b.1) possibly several times in a row.It's like the search maintains an index mapping what I'd typed to what I'd selected, and weights matches based on the frecency of what I do select.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Intentionally crippling OS security should be a criminal offense, and the person who wrote those instructions should be taken out back and shot, no questions asked.
Says the guy who removed Windows Firewall binaries from his system.