WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
simple things like search the programs you have installed.
It's funny you consider this "simple". Exhibit A: The Add/Remove Programs control panel, which can take upwards of five minutes to list the "installed" programs consisting of maybe a few kilobytes of text entries....
I never said that MS considered it simple.
I never said you said Microsoft considered it simple. I said you consider it simple, which is clearly different.
Mi¢ro$oft can't do simple things
Unless you are quoting someone else that considers it simple, which was not indicated in the post.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That is scheduled for when I swap in my new 970 EVO.
And when is that supposed to happen?
Originally, four months three weeks one day from time of post.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Knowing him, he is probably hoarding porn games by the terabytes so no wonder it takes that long.
If a porn game is registering itself for my installation I don't install it. There's no need for that!
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And, as I recall, @Tsaukpaetra loves running a machine on the edge of what we would call unusable!
Call it more of a.... hobby...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
TIL masochisim is a hobby.
Lifestyle thread is
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
TIL masochisim is a hobby.
Lifestyle thread is
This, precisely.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Originally, four months three weeks one day from time of post.
You didn't specify the sign
Decisively.
You of all people should know how well schedules slip...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You of all people should know how well schedules slip...
Come on, stop being self-apologist and do that swap already.
You underestimate my
power!
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You underestimate my
power!I challenge you to do it ASAP and try to make it run as slow as it is running now with spinning rust. I have faith in you.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
simple things like search the programs you have installed.
It's funny you consider this "simple". Exhibit A: The Add/Remove Programs control panel, which can take upwards of five minutes to list the "installed" programs consisting of maybe a few kilobytes of text entries....
I never said that MS considered it simple.
I never said you said Microsoft considered it simple. I said you consider it simple, which is clearly different.
Mi¢ro$oft can't do simple things
Unless you are quoting someone else that considers it simple, which was not indicated in the post.
My consideration is enough for my posts.
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I had shut down my machine last night. The start menu was acting squirrely again. Started it up this morning...got the VPN up and my VM running.
I went to start up Outlook, clicked on the start menu and...nothing...well, almost nothing. The Windows icon went from white to blue. Minimized the vm, tried looking at stuff, using the start button on different monitors...nothing.
With a three fingered salute I was able to get task manager up. "System Interrupts" was taking all the CPU. Then McAffee. Huh. OK, maybe I just have to let the scanner work this out. Several minutes later the virus scanning (and associated fan activity) had cooled down but the start menu hadn't unfucked itself and I still couldn't interact with the task bar at all.
Another three fingered salute and I've restarted. Seems to have gotten its shit together this time.
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@boomzilla Something else to try before fully restarting: kill
StartMenuExperienceHost.exe
(orShellExperienceHost.exe
on sufficiently old versions). That often gets stuck if things take longer than expected.
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@TwelveBaud I'll try to remember that.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Mental image: @dcon drawing eyes and mouths on hot dogs.
IOW, he has Dachshunds
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
StartMenuExperienceHost.exe
"I don't want a 'Start Menu Experience'. I want a Start menu that frigging works!"
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When Windows offered to restart for updates and I chose the option "Another time", I did not expect it to be after 10 minutes without any further warning.
How foolish of me.
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@Zecc It's better than it used to be, but I still got a reboot without warning in the middle of a videoconference call the other day.
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@mott555 but it's for your online safety!
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Widows 10 Status
For reasons known only to Bill Gates, my notification sidebar doesn't pop up anymore. I can click the icon in the taskbar all day, and nothing. I had two notifications, but it looks like they've vanished into the ether.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
For reasons known only to Bill Gates
ITYM Satya Nadella. And to be honest, neither he nor anyone at Microsoft can probably explain Windows 10's behavior rationally.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
For reasons known only to Bill Gates
ITYM Satya Nadella. And to be honest, neither he nor anyone
at Microsoftin the universe can probably explain Windows 10's behavior rationally.FTFY
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc It's better than it used to be, but I still got a reboot without warning in the middle of a videoconference call the other day.
How people can defend this garbage as professional (i.e. you use it to work) software is beyond me. Where‘s when you need him to tell everyone they’re doing it wrong and should have read $random_"documentation"_on_msdn on how to correctly configure $random_registry_settings?!
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc It's better than it used to be, but I still got a reboot without warning in the middle of a videoconference call the other day.
How people can defend this garbage as professional (i.e. you use it to work) software is beyond me. Where‘s when you need him to tell everyone they’re doing it wrong and should have read $random_"documentation"_on_msdn on how to correctly configure $random_registry_settings?!
He's been converted into a meme.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc It's better than it used to be, but I still got a reboot without warning in the middle of a videoconference call the other day.
How people can defend this garbage as professional (i.e. you use it to work) software is beyond me. Where‘s when you need him to tell everyone they’re doing it wrong and should have read $random_"documentation"_on_msdn on how to correctly configure $random_registry_settings?!
It's configurable in Professional version.
Either company uses Personal for employees' workstations, or their IT doesn't give a fuck about configuring it.
I bet on the latter, because that's the behavior I encountered many times - "not my problem lol".I'm not defending Windows random restarts, which are infuriating, just calling IT departments lazy bums.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's configurable in Professional version.
Even non-professionals should be allowed to shoot aliens uninterrupted
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's configurable in Professional version.
Is it? I thought it was only configurable in the Enterprise version, which is unavailable even to the majority of professional users.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's configurable in Professional version.
Is it? I thought it was only configurable in the Enterprise version, which is unavailable even to the majority of professional users.
It is if you're on a new enough version. You can push it out for a bit over a month on 1909 (Home or Pro) as long as you make the change before it goes to update. You can also set Active Hours when Windows shouldn't reboot to install updates and it might even honor them!
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
it might even honor them!
If it doesn't detect that your session is idle. Which may happen if you're
- Playing a game with a gamepad (no keyboard or mouse movement)
- Watching a movie
- Compiling a large software project, with all cores at 100% for a couple of hours
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's configurable in Professional version.
Even non-professionals should be allowed to shoot aliens uninterrupted
In a perfect world, sure. But MS didn't make updates forced just because they are mean, there are legitimate reasons for it.
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's configurable in Professional version.
Is it? I thought it was only configurable in the Enterprise version, which is unavailable even to the majority of professional users.
I remember reading about blocking updates completely on Prof some time ago. Maybe not with official 'block updates' setting, though.
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Does the trick of using CMD to schedule a restart for a year in the future still work?
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I remember reading about blocking updates completely on Prof some time ago. Maybe not with official 'block updates' setting, though.
You can do it with Group Policy on Pro, which isn't available on Home.
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Either company uses Personal for employees' workstations, or their IT doesn't give a fuck about configuring it.
I bet on the latter, because that's the behavior I encountered many times - "not my problem lol".I'm not defending Windows random restarts, which are infuriating, just calling IT departments lazy bums.
This.
FAYE KEDDIT: Oh, here's a post I forgot to submit apparently.
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Does the trick of using CMD to schedule a restart for a year in the future still work?
Delaying security updates for a year is a Bad Idea™.
35 days should be long enough to find a point where you're not using the computer for long enough to reboot.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's configurable in Professional version.
Even non-professionals should be allowed to shoot aliens uninterrupted
In a perfect world, sure. But MS didn't make updates forced just because they are mean, there are legitimate reasons for it.
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Does the trick of using CMD to schedule a restart for a year in the future still work?
Delaying security updates for a year is a Bad Idea™.
35 days should be long enough to find a point where you're not using the computer for long enough to reboot.Those would be good arguments if it applied only to actual security updates and they wouldn’t throw “feature updates” in the mix all the time.
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
using CMD
Combat Maneuver Defense? Sorry, I'm still partly in the Frist World...
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
I do that but only on the normal release days: standard patches are on the second and fourth Tuesdays of the month, and it's (relatively) well known when the big updates are released.
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Just had to help my sister recover beloved Animal Crossing screenshots. She had taken the SD card out of her Switch, put it in her PC, and moved the files from the SD card to her PC. Then she took the card out. She was inspecting the files, and accidentally selected Cut from the right-click menu. This makes the file turn semitransparent, but of course, nothing actually happens unless you then Paste it elsewhere. She didn't know this though, and in a panic reflex, hit Ctrl+Z to undo.
For whatever reason, Windows 10 decided that the best course of action to take in this scenario was to undo the move, and move the files back to the SD card. Which was already removed. She got error messages about the path not existing, but hitting cancel did not cancel. The files just got deleted. I do not understand how this is something that can happen, but apparently it can. We searched for them. From the root of her C drive, a
dir /B /S 20200420*.jpg
in an admin command prompt yielded no results. Windows just ate them I guess.Thankfully, some free file recovery software easily recovered them from the SD card and all is well. But, Windows?
I had to see this for myself. I took an old blank flash drive I had laying around, made a text file on it, moved the file to my system drive, ejected the flash drive and removed it, and sure enough - right click and there is an Undo Move option with keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Z.
Let's see what happens!
At this point, I still have the file. What happens if I press OK?
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Nothing, I still have the file. Hm, let's try that again - what happens if I press the X instead of OK, as a panic-fueled sister might?
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Nothing. I still have the file. Wait, there's a detail I'm forgetting, the accidental Cut... could that be it?
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Nope. Well, what if the way she "moved" the files wasn't by letting Windows move them, but by copying them manually and then deleting the originals? It seems copying is the default action when dragging files, after all, and not everyone knows about right-click drag...
Hm... this is new...
Undo Copy? Surely not...
... no warning or confirmation at all ...
Yep, file gone. poof. Not even in recycle bin. But, somehow my sister got this mysterious dialog, which is different from the one we got above...
How could this be? Ah, well you see, before when the Undo Move failed, it just removed the Undo option from the right click menu. But now that we successfully did an Undo Copy, we now have... Redo Copy...
And... Undo Rename?? What? That wasn't there before. Uh... well, now I am even more curious. Let's see what both of these options do!
Redo Copy:
Aha! This is what my sister encountered. Great job, Windows. Granted, I can see exactly why this chain of events happens the way it does. But given it's so easy to inadvertently do as my sister did, and it clearly remembers where the copy came from, shouldn't it, y'know, check that the redo is possible before going through with the undo? Ask the user "Hey, the original file you copied from doesn't exist anymore, if you undo copying it, it'll be totally gone everywhere, are you sure?" or something, right?
Well, let's now see what the other option does. Wait, huh, that's odd... the option to undo the copy just isn't even appearing anymore for me... I can no longer reproduce this!? But... it just happened moments earlier!
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Oops. I still had that "Item Not Found" message box open. Close that, and...
Undo Rename:
The Redo Copy option also disappears now. Also, no, I don't know why these windows are center aligned and the previous ones above are not.
This is... a whole lot of I have only just discovered, all because my sister took the obvious simple approach: drag and drop files, delete from SD card once done, hit Ctrl+Z upon accidentally doing something by mistake. It could happen to anyone, and probably does often given that there was literally NO WARNING for the Undo Copy operation. It just permanently deletes the file. Glad I know about this trap now...
EDIT: https://aka.ms/AA88b51 - I created a Feedback Hub item for this.
EDIT 2: Bonus , my sister can't upvote that feedback:
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
You do know that on Windows 10 this will result in:
- Getting untested Alpha updates, and
- Background installation of drivers after first reboot ...?
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@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
EDIT: https://aka.ms/AA88b51 - I created a Feedback Hub item for this.
Upvoted. It doesn't tell you that you need to be signed in to see it. Pretty shitty.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Upvoted
And also read
Indeed.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
You do know that on Windows 10 this will result in:
- Getting untested Alpha updates, and
- Background installation of drivers after first reboot ...?
And yet my machines seem to be way more stable than many of the people here! (and with that, I've cursed myself...)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
EDIT: https://aka.ms/AA88b51 - I created a Feedback Hub item for this.
Upvoted. It doesn't tell you that you need to be signed in to see it. Pretty shitty.
It did for me. After signing in, it just left me in an unrelated place. I had to click that link again. (upvoted)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
You do know that on Windows 10 this will result in:
- Getting untested Alpha updates, and
- Background installation of drivers after first reboot ...?
And yet my machines seem to be way more stable than many of the people here! (and with that, I've cursed myself...)
Yeah. I shut down my system for updates whenever it asks. And I've yet to have a significant issue. And my system is a frankenputer cobbled together from parts.
Maybe a lot of it is that I don't try to "customize" the internal workings by chopping out essential bits or trying to bypass normal operating procedures. I'd fully expect issues if I did that.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Maybe a lot of it is that I don't try to "customize" the internal workings by chopping out essential bits or trying to bypass normal operating procedures. I'd fully expect issues if I did that.
I've given up on customizing many things. Life just doesn't have that many hours in it. (I used to go way overboard with changing all the system sounds and colors. Screw that now. If it's not a one-click change, it's not worth my time.)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to let it update and reboot right away, though.
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
You do know that on Windows 10 this will result in:
- Getting untested Alpha updates, and
- Background installation of drivers after first reboot ...?
And yet my machines seem to be way more stable than many of the people here! (and with that, I've cursed myself...)
Hey, at least I don’t update without asking for consent.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LB_ said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
EDIT: https://aka.ms/AA88b51 - I created a Feedback Hub item for this.
Upvoted. It doesn't tell you that you need to be signed in to see it. Pretty shitty.
It did for me. After signing in, it just left me in an unrelated place. I had to click that link again. (upvoted)
Yeah for me it just shoved me into the "provide a feedback anonymously" section. For a moment I thought i clicked the link wrong or something.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I used to go way overboard with changing all the system sounds and colors. Screw that now. If it's not a one-click change, it's not worth my time.
I made a one-click. It still mostly works.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My solution is to periodically (like the start of the day) do a Check for Updates, apply them, and reboot.
You do know that on Windows 10 this will result in:
- Getting untested Alpha updates, and
- Background installation of drivers after first reboot ...?
Re: the first, yes, you sometimes get some of the updates you would have gotten on next month's Patch Tuesday a couple weeks early.
Re: the second, I think the only thing on my system that has any active driver development is my video card, and Windows Update doesn't update that on this machine. (Right now I'm on drivers from January; the latest came out a week ago.)
So I know but I don't care, and I've been using Windows 10 for 4+ years now without a problem caused by a system update (and I've been generally doing the same thing without problems going back to Windows 98). I know others have, and I might get hit with something eventually, but I'll deal with it if it happens.
FWIW, like @Benjamin-Hall I don't screw with the OS. I do turn things off in their Settings and I do some customization of the system (colors, wallpapers, and such) but I don't try to delete or disable system apps or otherwise rip things out.
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@Parody I stopped changing anything other than the wallpaper a long time ago. And I don't think I've even set the wallpaper since Windows 10 happened.
I've had updates cause driver issues in a couple of ways. The sound drivers (or sound subsystem) has been pulled from under me. And a BIOS-driver (or something related) caused a sudden reboot without warning once.
Both of these on machines old enough to be outside manufacturer's stated warranty, so any driver development is due to demands of Windows only (I presume).But the biggest gripe for me is that I've also noticed "TrustedInstaller" using resources in the background at other times. Not actively causing me an interruption of work, but sometimes a bit of a slowdown. But just something named "installer" doing things in the background, other than after my explicit consent, does not fill me with confidence, since it means that I may suffer another interruption unannounced at any time.