WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Today, my Start Menu doesn't open. Windows key on the keyboard does nothing, clicking the button does nothing. Usually that means Explorer is dead, but I can still open Explorer windows and find program EXE's in Program Files, so I'm not dead in the water.
Are you on 1903? The Start menu is a separate process now.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Windows popped a notification. I snapped it before it managed to disappear (why do they only appear for half a second?!?!! But only some of the time!!!?!?!)
I got it a couple minutes ago as well. (I left it in the Action Center while I was seeing what it was about, though.)
I have used OneNote in the past year or so and Edge pops up every time I update a Windows 10 Insider VM (or put a new major build on any other computer) so I figure that's recent enough for them. Or they just sent it to all folks using Insider builds.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Today, my Start Menu doesn't open. Windows key on the keyboard does nothing, clicking the button does nothing. Usually that means Explorer is dead, but I can still open Explorer windows and find program EXE's in Program Files, so I'm not dead in the water.
Are you on 1903? The Start menu is a separate process now.
Looks like I'm on 1607 (whatever that means). Corporate IT blocks Windows Updates and has their own super-special update server thingy that's even more annoying than Windows Updates.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Looks like I'm on 1607 (whatever that means).
The Anniversary Update. Also a Long Term Servicing [Channel | Branch] version, which is probably why your company has kept it.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
so I'm not dead in the water
Of course not, you just need to reboot, again
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
so I'm not dead in the water
Of course not, you just need to reboot, again
I have approximately 8935478234787677213467123412 applications running, though. Digging through Program Files is unfortunately the easier option right now.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Today, my Start Menu doesn't open. Windows key on the keyboard does nothing, clicking the button does nothing. Usually that means Explorer is dead, but I can still open Explorer windows and find program EXE's in Program Files, so I'm not dead in the water.
I may have mentioned this a few times before, but you should try Launchy.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have used OneNote in the past year or so and Edge pops up every time I update a Windows 10 Insider VM (or put a new major build on any other computer) so I figure that's recent enough for them. Or they just sent it to all folks using Insider builds.
None of which is true for me.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have approximately 8935478234787677213467123412 applications running
Is Windows using 128-bit process descriptors now?
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@HardwareGeek nah, just a bad reinterpret_cast.
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Today, my Start Menu doesn't open. Windows key on the keyboard does nothing, clicking the button does nothing. Usually that means Explorer is dead, but I can still open Explorer windows and find program EXE's in Program Files, so I'm not dead in the water.
My start menu opens (slowly) but it ignores typing to search. This is on Enterprise 1709, apparently. Going to reboot...
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Going to reboot...
Or so I thought. Still have a "Restarting" spinner going. Maybe I should call in sick.
EDIT: Meh. 3 seconds of holding the power button down and now I'm back in business and Windows is acting like it knows it's doing again. I guess I just needed to show it who's the boss.
EDIT2: I thought Windows had fixed the thing where it gets slower every day you don't reboot it to the point where after a week it breaks.
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@boomzilla I can see you're really enjoying your move to Windows
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@TimeBandit fortunately I still do all my work inside a VM running Linux so my interaction with Windows is still fairly minimal.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
EDIT2: I thought Windows had fixed the thing where it gets slower every day you don't reboot it to the point where after a week it breaks.
Why do you think MS pushes reboot patches all the time? Then we don't see it get (much) slower over time! (Yesterday, my work laptop went totally bonkers. Video went old-style-tv full static image. 3-second-power button and back in business. Coworker commented 'yeah, these laptop do that sometimes'.)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Why do you think MS pushes reboot patches all the time? Then we don't see it get (much) slower over time!
Best Windows Ever
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Looks like I'm on 1607 (whatever that means). Corporate IT blocks Windows Updates and has their own super-special update server thingy that's even more annoying than Windows Updates.
Same. My favorite thing is updates where I'm given the option "Reboot on log off", I select that, the window goes away, and then four hours later my machine restarts whether I'm logged off or not.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Looks like I'm on 1607 (whatever that means). Corporate IT blocks Windows Updates and has their own super-special update server thingy that's even more annoying than Windows Updates.
Same. My favorite thing is updates where I'm given the option "Reboot on log off", I select that, the window goes away, and then four hours later my machine restarts whether I'm logged off or not.
Wait, is that new? I've not seen that...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I thought Windows had fixed the thing where it gets slower every day you don't reboot it to the point where after a week it breaks.
Yes they did -- by mandating reboot for patches every 14 days.
This was at most 5 days.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Considering I am not using...
Installation on your PC counts as "use" for Microsoft. You just don't have the same definition of "use" as they do.
Then by that same definition they're using my identity, and I can sue them for identity theft, right?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This was at most 5 days.
But was it Martian days?
Lunar.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
since you didn't protect your identity by sending cease and desist now it belongs to them.
So, since I haven't received any CnDs from literally anyone, everything I have in my possession is now owned by me, right? Therefore, all of the "intellectual property" represented by all the software installed on my PC is thus mine, and I can do whatever I want with it (because it's mine), right?
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You will have to come up with another one.
No U.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wait, is that new? I've not seen that...
If you read my post (including the quote), I'm not talking about the built-in Windows Update mechanism.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wait, is that new? I've not seen that...
If you read my post (including the quote), I'm not talking about the built-in Windows Update mechanism.
Sorry, I must not assume you were talking about @mott555's corporate IT's update program.
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@boomzilla This is isn't Android. Long-running tasks don't get killed automatically.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla This is isn't Android. Long-running tasks don't get killed automatically.
If there is something like that I usually get prompted to kill stuff. Just a spinner this time.
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@boomzilla No, I mean six thousand background tasks don't die anytime soon. Unless that's what you were talking about, in which case I'm confused because it's never asked me to kill anything.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You will have to come up with another one.
No U.
Tsakpaetra
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@pie_flavor I don't know if this is what @boomzilla is talking about but sometimes when I restart I get "These applications are preventing Windows from restarting" where the list includes things like open folder windows and "playing logoff sound"
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor I don't know if this is what @boomzilla is talking about but sometimes when I restart I get "These applications are preventing Windows from restarting" where the list includes things like open folder windows and "playing logoff sound"
And, recently, G
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
never asked me to kill anything.
Probably because you don't have double zero status
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You will have to come up with another one.
No U.
Tsakpaetra
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Feature Update has just gently loved an important PC:
Blank desktop, nothing is clickable. Explorer just constantly reboots itself. Can't open a command line by any method. New profile does the same.
Guess I'm reimaging a machine then
Edit: finally popped a shell and then elevated using powershell. It's bad, only a few services are running, can't start any new ones, eventviewer won't. Can't DISM. Urgh.
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@Cursorkeys Feature Update? Are you using Windows 10 with classic theme?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Are you using Windows 10 with classic theme?
Well, I am now apparently.
Not my screenshot, but it does look exactly like that except the font is buggered too. It was running the normal theme prior to this.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys Feature Update? Are you using Windows 10 with classic theme?
That would be an actual feature!
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@Cursorkeys I think it's resurrected. Used powershell to elevate a command prompt as no other elevation methods worked. Copied
Desktop
fromc:\users\default
toc:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
and gave full rights toNT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users
, that stopped explorer constantly crashing. Rannetsh int ip reset
and rebooted, network came up this time and the desktop has icons! Ransfc /scannow
and rebooted. RanDISM
though the full repair sequence and rebooted. Services all up now and eventlog looks OK, running Windows updates now.
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@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
The only thing in mine is the AppData directory and ntuser.dat file (and associated hidden ones). No Desktop at all.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
The only thing in mine is the AppData directory and ntuser.dat file (and associated hidden ones). No Desktop at all.
Yep, I think it's a broken link happening here. AFAIK that location is supposed to be linked to the current user profile, somehow, but that wasn't happening. Putting a valid
Desktop
in there seems to fix/hide the problem. TheDesktop
shown is the correct user profile one in spite of putting a blank one in that location.
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Nice to see this topic was on the current version until I posted this.
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@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
The only thing in mine is the AppData directory and ntuser.dat file (and associated hidden ones). No Desktop at all.
Yep, I think it's a broken link happening here. AFAIK that location is supposed to be linked to the current user profile, somehow, but that wasn't happening. Putting a valid
Desktop
in there seems to fix/hide the problem. TheDesktop
shown is the correct user profile one in spite of putting a blank one in that location.So what happens if you sign in with a different user? Do they have the same desktop as the other uses?
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
c:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
The only thing in mine is the AppData directory and ntuser.dat file (and associated hidden ones). No Desktop at all.
Yep, I think it's a broken link happening here. AFAIK that location is supposed to be linked to the current user profile, somehow, but that wasn't happening. Putting a valid
Desktop
in there seems to fix/hide the problem. TheDesktop
shown is the correct user profile one in spite of putting a blank one in that location.So what happens if you sign in with a different user? Do they have the same desktop as the other uses?
Works normally and shows the correct desktop for the user profile. I'm not sure what that location does exactly and Google is no help. It's definitely critical for things to work though.
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@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I think it's resurrected. Used powershell to elevate a command prompt as no other elevation methods worked. Copied
Desktop
fromc:\users\default
toc:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
and gave full rights toNT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users
, that stopped explorer constantly crashing. Rannetsh int ip reset
and rebooted, network came up this time and the desktop has icons! Ransfc /scannow
and rebooted. RanDISM
though the full repair sequence and rebooted. Services all up now and eventlog looks OK,That's why Linux will never be ready for the average user. You need to use cryptic commands on the CLI to use it.
running Windows updates now.
Oh, never mind
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@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys I think it's resurrected. Used powershell to elevate a command prompt as no other elevation methods worked. Copied
Desktop
fromc:\users\default
toc:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
and gave full rights toNT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users
, that stopped explorer constantly crashing. Rannetsh int ip reset
and rebooted, network came up this time and the desktop has icons! Ransfc /scannow
and rebooted. RanDISM
though the full repair sequence and rebooted. Services all up now and eventlog looks OK, running Windows updates now.I'd still clean install anyway.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That's why Linux will never be ready for the average user. You need to use cryptic commands on the CLI to use it.
As opposed to Windows, where you only ever need to use it if something's gone horribly wrong and the computer became unusable.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
if something's gone horribly wrong and the computer became unusable
IOW, when you install Win10
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys I think it's resurrected. Used powershell to elevate a command prompt as no other elevation methods worked. Copied
Desktop
fromc:\users\default
toc:\windows\system32\config\systemprofile
and gave full rights toNT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users
, that stopped explorer constantly crashing. Rannetsh int ip reset
and rebooted, network came up this time and the desktop has icons! Ransfc /scannow
and rebooted. RanDISM
though the full repair sequence and rebooted. Services all up now and eventlog looks OK, running Windows updates now.I'd still clean install anyway.
I'd love to, but it's a production machine...literally, it's on the production line programming hardware. I already got black looks for taking so long to fix it.
I'm very glad my new job will involve zero IT.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
As opposed to Windows, where you only ever need to use it if something's gone horribly wrong and the computer became unusable.
So, exactly the same as installing Linux then
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@hungrier when Linux becomes unusable, most of the time
:q!
fixes it.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@hungrier when Linux becomes unusable, most of the time
:q!
fixes it.I didn't know bash had a command to install windows