Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@Tsaukpaetra the rumbler too? Like the super low-frequency siren?
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@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra the rumbler too? Like the super low-frequency siren?
Yeah. Never felt it.
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@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the rumbler too? Like the super low-frequency siren?
Might be just the shitty speaker on this tablet, but I simply didn't hear it at all...
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@dkf it starts at 0:11 in this video, good comparison between "no rumbler" and "rumbler"
https://youtu.be/nZq6w_UB9Oc?t=4
EDIT: also now that I listen on the computer... yeah no the videos are a poor representation of the real-life sound. Basically a giant external subwoofer that you can hear muuuch better than a standard siren
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@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Basically a giant external subwoofer that you can hear muuuch better than a standard siren
That I can believe; those sorts of frequencies are very audible (though hard to hear where they're coming from). Just no chance of hearing it on this device; the hardware isn't up to it...
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@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
you can hear muuuch better than a standard siren
To me, standard sirens are already audible enough...
Seriously. How can you not notice something that makes so much noise?
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@mott555 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It was night, and his phone screen was so bright it was almost blinding to me.
Monster.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It isn't the fault of ordinary drivers that you have shitty two-tone sirens.
Actually, some French emergency services have recently started using American police-style sirens. They say they get noticed more, because people aren't used to the sound, but still recognize it as an emergency siren because of American movies and series. But it's probably a matter of time before the novelty effect wears off.
Maybe ours would work better if you use French-style ones.
Actually, just replace them with a loud speaker (
Animal HouseThe Blues Brothers style) "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!"This might work better in some areas:
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Basically a giant external subwoofer that you can hear muuuch better than a standard siren
That I can believe; those sorts of frequencies are very audible (though hard to hear where they're coming from). Just no chance of hearing it on this device; the hardware isn't up to it...
Yeah. They're pretty impressive in person..
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
you can hear muuuch better than a standard siren
To me, standard sirens are already audible enough...
Seriously. How can you not notice something that makes so much noise?Distracted or noisy environment. It's nearly impossible to not notice this one IME, but a regular siren can sometimes blend in.
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@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Distracted or noisy environment. It's nearly impossible to not notice this one IME, but a regular siren can sometimes blend in.
So this morning I watched a fire truck get stuck in "traffic" for a good 30 seconds, stopped by a single car in front of it whose driver was playing with his phone and somehow completely oblivious to the 120-decibel horn blaring 15 feet behind him...
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Almost got squashed on my motorcycle the other day. Two different drivers who were clearly and obviously staring at their cell phone screens decided to enter my space from opposite directions at the exact same time...
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@mott555 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Almost got squashed on my motorcycle the other day. Two different drivers who were clearly and obviously staring at their cell phone screens decided to enter my space from opposite directions at the exact same time...
Did you manage to brake in time to let them crash into each other?
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@JBert One abruptly swerved out of the way and almost hit someone else, and the second one I almost didn't even see because of the first one. Second car got within inches of me and then slammed on the brakes at the last millisecond.
EDIT: First car was in front of me, second car was behind me...braking would not have helped at all.
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@Mason_Wheeler No, not really. I have just as many close calls from distracted drivers in my 7,000-pound crew cab pickup truck. (The big difference is it can take a hit, total the other vehicle, and not even take on a scuff.)
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@mott555 You're right, that is a pretty big difference!
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Sometimes I wonder about the state of the world…
Yesterday, as I was walking to work from the station, I watched a young woman walk up a motorway offramp onto an elevated road. She went past multiple signs saying “no pedestrians”, where there was clearly no path for walking, and only really lifted her eyes up out of her phone for long enough to dodge traffic to cross the offramp. There was a footpath running along (and under) too so this appears to be just someone being really stupid (or failing to pay attention sufficiently strongly as to be indistinguishable from stupidity). She also obviously had headphones in her ears, so it was clear that shouting at her wasn't going to work. At the last point I saw her, she was almost overhead and appeared to be looking for a gap in the traffic (on a motorway!) to cross the main road; I lost sight of her at that point so I've no idea what happened next, but even so, it takes some serious idiocy to do what she did. If she didn't get hit, I assume she would have gone down the onramp on the other side. To rejoin the main pathway…
It wasn't even the quick option. The footpath I was on is much more convenient for getting past that motorway there.
Filed under: turning a minute of slow walking into a 5 minute death-defying stunt “because the map app said to go that way”
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Filed under: turning a minute of slow walking into a 5 minute death-defying stunt “because the map app said to go that way”
Even the map apps have evolved to a point where they don't advise you to do something that stupid. Unless, of course, you're using them in "car mode" instead of "pedestrian mode".
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Even the map apps have evolved to a point where they don't advise you to do something that stupid. Unless, of course, you're using them in "car mode" instead of "pedestrian mode".
Was probably referring to this case though as you say that was 10 years ago.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Unless, of course, you're using them in "car mode" instead of "pedestrian mode".
She was walking against the traffic. No vaguely correct app would have told a car to go that way.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
"Our most valuable resource sits 63 feet ahead"
Well... I think it's about to devalue.
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@boomzilla I think the road to success is off to the right.
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So, there was an article in a newspaper today, part of a series where they're asking lawyers about certain traffic situations and how to deal correctly with those.
Today's topic: "Gridlocked crossings and what to do as a pedestrian when cars block your way over the street because they're morons who think that those 2 meters will totally make a difference" (okay, the last part was an addition by me).
Advice by the lawyer: "Well, since those cars might move at any moment everybody involved has to be mutually deferrent. And the pedestrians should, of course, simply wait until the crossing is clear of cars."
First of all, that's not what mutually means when only one side is supposed to do (or not do) something.
Secondly, this is obviously one person who has never walked even five meters in her life.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
First of all, that's not what mutually means when only one side is supposed to do (or not do) something.
Remember kids: The law doesn't "give right of way", it only tells you when you should yield it.
Watching the Defensive Driving course (because I certainly wasn't "attending" to it) made me think: What if that stereotypical country with all the people that apologise continually were to obey them? I could only imagine the deadlock loop of "No, I'm letting you go!" "No, it is I who is letting you go!" "On the contrary, I'm letting both of you all go!"
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
First of all, that's not what mutually means when only one side is supposed to do (or not do) something.
Remember kids: The law doesn't "give right of way", it only tells you when you should yield it.
Watching the Defensive Driving course (because I certainly wasn't "attending" to it) made me think: What if that stereotypical country with all the people that apologise continually were to obey them? I could only imagine the deadlock loop of "No, I'm letting you go!" "No, it is I who is letting you go!" "On the contrary, I'm letting both of you all go!"
And the tourists go "fuck you, I'm gone!"
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Today's topic: "Gridlocked crossings and what to do as a pedestrian when cars block your way over the street because they're morons who think that those 2 meters will totally make a difference" (okay, the last part was an addition by me).
For starters, those cars are already in the wrong. You're not allowed to come to a stop on a crossing.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Today's topic: "Gridlocked crossings and what to do as a pedestrian when cars block your way over the street because they're morons who think that those 2 meters will totally make a difference" (okay, the last part was an addition by me).
For starters, those cars are already in the wrong. You're not allowed to come to a stop on a crossing.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What if that stereotypical country with all the people that apologise continually
As a resident of such a stereotypical country, I had a minor situation today. I was at a red light in the left turning lane, behind three other cars. Light turns green, and nothing. Nobody's going, the guy in front is asleep or something. A few seconds pass, still nothing. I guess everyone else was too polite to honk? Anyway I gave a quick beep-beep and that seemed to wake the guy up.
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I gave a quick beep-beep
Illegal! There was no life-threatening situation you were communicating via the horn!
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He said "beep-beep", not "honk", so you've got no proof he used his horn.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
He said "beep-beep", not "honk", so you've got no proof he used his horn.
*imagines a bloke leaning out the window shouting "Beep-beeep!"*
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
For starters, those cars are already in the wrong. You're not allowed to come to a stop on a crossing.
Then does the law suggest swerving, or ramming the car before you?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Illegal! There was no life-threatening situation you were communicating via the horn!
Someone was about to be murdered if they didn't start moving soon.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
He said "beep-beep", not "honk", so you've got no proof he used his horn.
*imagines a bloke leaning out the window shouting "Beep-beeep!"*
I have two possible images here:
- A big man getting out of his car, walking up to the front of the queue, knocking on the window and then shouting "Beep beep, muthafucka!" at the idiot inside.
- A roadrunner. Watch out for that cliff!
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
He said "beep-beep", not "honk", so you've got no proof he used his horn.
*imagines a bloke leaning out the window shouting "Beep-beeep!"*
I have two possible images here:
- A big man getting out of his car, walking up to the front of the queue, knocking on the window and then shouting "Beep beep, muthafucka!" at the idiot inside.
- A roadrunner. Watch out for that cliff!
The first one sounds like something I'd actually do. Apart from the maternal formication. I love doing things that others will just not believe when my victims tell their friends because it's just too outlandish.
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@levicki said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Turns out that was a good gut feeling because a motorcyclist appears out of nowhere and instead of stopping behind the car in my lane it goes around it. Not on the left side mind you, as you are supposed to when you are overtaking someone -- it goes around it on the right side squeezing between the car and the sidewalk and zipping right in front of me at 60 km/h (limit is 40).
Fuck that guy.
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I gave a quick beep-beep
I do that too - but only if I'm right behind them. (Invariably, they're on their phone.)
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@levicki said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sadly I was too shocked by his vantom disregard for my life and limb to take a picture of his registration plate or it would have probably came to that.
If dashcams are a thing where you are, could have glanced to see if anyone had one that might also be rear-facing.
In the U.S., the cops have to actually witness a misdemeanor; they can't go off video. And sadly in my state at least, that wouldn't be felony reckless. But it's so egregious that I'd give it even odds a prosecutor would find something creative to do.
People like that need to be off the road yesterday and they need to never return.
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In the U.S., the cops have to actually witness a misdemeanor; they can't go off video.
I remember hearing they can send a warning letter though. (No legal impact, but it might scare enough sense into some people. <Shut up! I can dream!>)
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I gave a quick beep-beep
I do that too - but only if I'm right behind them. (Invariably, they're on their phone.)
Usually I wouldn't do it from four cars back but I thought I might die of old age waiting for anyone else to do something
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In the U.S., the cops have to actually witness a misdemeanor; they can't go off video.
That's definitely not true everywhere, so beware if driving away from home. In the UK, prosecutors can use video submissions from third parties providing they don't have reason to suspect that the video has been faked. (Dashcam footage is usually suitable, as it is timestamped and may include GPS location stamping too.)
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The whole video (the whole channel really) is driving anti-patterns but this one takes the cake
https://youtu.be/h5deyOB2Vzc?t=137
Grandpa in a red Hyundai stops in the middle of the road for no reason, the car behind him with the dashcam hits the brakes and stops as well, one of the motorcycles behind them manages to swerve around, the other one doesn't and hits the dashcam car.
Poster's roughly translated explanation from the comments:
Hi,
this Saturday we ran into a senile retard who, on a main road, hit the brakes and stopped right in front of us without any warning. I managed to stop as well, but one of the bikers following us didn't manage to avoid us and hit my car on the rear left side. Guy flew into the barrier, ended up with a torn thigh, arterial bleeding, broken calf and a twisted ankle, they had to airlift him out.The geezer who caused this stayed inside his car for the entire two hours it took the medics and cops to clear the incident. At one point grandma got out to check their bumper for scratches (I didn't even touch them), but that was it. As I was tying a tourniquet around the biker's thigh, grandpa shouted at me "hey, do you need me here, I need to go" - I'm sure you can imagine how mad I was. In the end we had to wait a while for the crime scene investigators to show up because the cops on scene smelled a grievous bodily harm charge. So far it looks like the grandpa made it out with a misdemeanor charge for stopping without a reason and he got off the easiest of us all because nothing happened to him and his car is fine. My car is all fucked up (we'll see what the insurance guy says, but it's not just body panels, the chassis is bent too) and the biker has a fucked up leg and a totaled 3 month old bike. Officially the biker is at fault for not maintaining a safe distance.
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@blek In Germany such a case would probably at least end up in court - we have a paragraph which goes as follows:
Whoever impairs the safety of traffic by
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2. creating an obstacle
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and as a result, risks or causes bodily harm [...] shall be subject to imprisonment up to five years and a fine.Which could be argued to apply in this case (for the : It's worded such that it's obviously talking about willful obstruction and not about someone having to stop at a traffic light or similar).
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@Rhywden The comment I roughly translated implies the case isn't over ("So far it looks like the grandpa made it out with a misdemeanor charge"), but there don't seem to be any updates. Who knows. I mostly posted this here for the old guy's behavior, that's the real .
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@blek The least the police in Germany will do after an incident like this is to order a mandatory driver's test - if the senior does not pass his license is usually gone for good (a court does the final decision).
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@Rhywden I don't think the cops around here can do that. You can have your license taken away for certain offences (getting too many "points" for minor offences, drunk driving, etc.), and if it's taken for longer than 12 months you have to pass your driver's test again, but it has to go through a proper court for that. The cops can take your license temporarily under certain conditions, but it still needs a judge to make it stick.
A funny part is that even if you get your license taken away, after a half of the period it's taken away for you're allowed to appeal it, and the appeal pretty much always passes as long as you didn't do any stupid shit in the meantime. So if you get your license revoked for, say, 18 months, you're allowed to appeal after 9 months, and if you're successful you don't have to take the test again - but if you don't appeal and let it run the whole 18 months, you do have to pass the test again before you get it back.
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@levicki said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sadly I was too shocked by his vantom disregard for my life and limb to take a picture of his registration plate or it would have probably came to that.
If dashcams are a thing where you are, could have glanced to see if anyone had one that might also be rear-facing.
In the U.S., the cops have to actually witness a misdemeanor; they can't go off video. And sadly in my state at least, that wouldn't be felony reckless.
Depending on how it really looked it might have been similar to this and that was considered felony-reckless.