Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm not aware of any laws about stopping for or yielding to other types of buses.
There are some jurisdictions where one must yield to a transit bus trying to merge back into traffic after a stop, because otherwise it might be hours before the bus could continue efficiently transporting its load of passengers across town.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
...but why would you want to do that? If they're driving too fast, they should get pulled over. There are far too many dangerous drivers on the road, and the more they get smacked down, the better!
Speed limits are often ridiculously low.
Or ridiculously high. I’ve been in this situation a lot of times, where speed limit was to high and actually abiding by it was dangerous.
Overall, the trouble with speed limits is, they are usually shit. Unreliable.
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@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm not aware of any laws about stopping for or yielding to other types of buses.
There are some jurisdictions where one must yield to a transit bus trying to merge back into traffic after a stop, because otherwise it might be hours before the bus could continue efficiently transporting its load of passengers across town.
Yup, that’s how it works in Poland,too.
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@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
one must yield to a transit bus trying to merge back into traffic after a stop
This is what I'm talking about:
(Note I'm in Australia, we drive on the left)
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@zemm said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Note I'm in Australia, we drive on the left
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@luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
We cyclists don't want crack.
You prefer aranesp don't you?
Nah, they're all about that lithium grease.
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@kt_ said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
...but why would you want to do that? If they're driving too fast, they should get pulled over. There are far too many dangerous drivers on the road, and the more they get smacked down, the better!
Speed limits are often ridiculously low.
Or ridiculously high. I’ve been in this situation a lot of times, where speed limit was to high and actually abiding by it was dangerous.
I can recall experiencing only one street where this is the case. It's right around the corner from my in laws. It's a residential street, two lanes, with cars parked on one side. There are some curves. The speed limit is 45mph. Utterly ridiculous. I have never ever felt comfortable going anywhere near that fast on that road.
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@scholrlea
why would you bike with greasy paws?
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I pulled a mason the other day, was cruising along in the left lane, greeding for speed, even though I knew i needed to turn right in about a half mile. So I did the only sensible thing...
I forced my way over and caused a 271 car pileup because fuck those guys I have a constitutional right to change lanesI altered my course and turned left. And you know what? My car didn’t burst into flames or leave me for another driver!
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@luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@scholrlea
why would you bike with greasy paws?Sounds like it may be a thing banana cosplayers do.
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@scholrlea said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I once heard an otherwise intelligent fried clam, in utter sincerity
I read this as I quoted it, rather than how you wrote it...
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Quiz time!
http://trafficlights.sweb.cz/2RL.JPG
If you're in the left lane and you want to turn left, the signal above means:
- a) Go ahead, oncoming traffic as well as pedestrians on your left see a red light, so while you should still watch your surroundings in case someone ignores the signals, you're free to go
- b) You should very slowly inch forward and then slam on the brakes in the middle of the intersection for no fucking reason just in case one of the very obviously stopped cars in the oncoming lane suddenly grows a fucking rocket engine and starts flying forward
Apparently this is extremely difficult.
Seriously, I go through an intersection like this almost daily. Generally these directional signals are used on intersections where it would be difficult to turn left without them, and they're meant to improve the flow of traffic by telling drivers that it's perfectly safe to turn left. Problem is, every other time there's this one absolute retard who apparently got a license for a blowjob, and they slow down everyone else. If the green light lasts long enough for 10 cars driven by normal people, one idiot can turn that down to maybe 3.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Who the hell changes lanes like that?!
I observe this happening on average at least three times a week during my typical commute.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
this exit was unexpectedly on the left rather than on the right like all sane USian highway exits
Nav devices are smart enough to prep you for that, but obviously the drivers need to be following directions properly for it to be effective.
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@scholrlea said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I once heard an otherwise intelligent fried clam, in utter sincerity
I read this as I quoted it, rather than how you wrote it...
the fried molluscs thread is
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@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
double park
Had to look that up. So that's what it's called.
Wow.
Screw all of those individuals that decide this is somehow a good idea.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Quiz time!
http://trafficlights.sweb.cz/2RL.JPG
If you're in the left lane and you want to turn left, the signal above means:
- a) Go ahead, oncoming traffic as well as pedestrians on your left see a red light, so while you should still watch your surroundings in case someone ignores the signals, you're free to go
- b) You should very slowly inch forward and then slam on the brakes in the middle of the intersection for no fucking reason just in case one of the very obviously stopped cars in the oncoming lane suddenly grows a fucking rocket engine and starts flying forward
Apparently this is extremely difficult.
Seriously, I go through an intersection like this almost daily. Generally these directional signals are used on intersections where it would be difficult to turn left without them, and they're meant to improve the flow of traffic by telling drivers that it's perfectly safe to turn left. Problem is, every other time there's this one absolute retard who apparently got a license for a blowjob, and they slow down everyone else. If the green light lasts long enough for 10 cars driven by normal people, one idiot can turn that down to maybe 3.
- Over here we have arrow-shaped traffic lights to clearly indicate that it's for the left turn lane only, but are these as well? The picture is too blurry to tell.
- I've seen intersections where the pedestrians or bikes on the other side (i.e. where your left turn is going) are actually crossing when the left lane receives a green light. I've never figured out if they were just suicidal or if their lights were actually green.
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@jbert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've never figured out if they were just suicidal or if the
ir lights were actually greentraffic engineer was homicidal.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
double park
Had to look that up. So that's what it's called.
Wow.
Screw all of those individuals that decide this is somehow a good idea.
I pretty much never see anyone double parked, according to the "park alongside a vehicle that is already parked at the side of the road" definition.
When I hear "double parking" I usually just think of those assholes who think that they're special enough to deserve two parking spaces. It should be legal to key those asshole's cars, IMNSHO...
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@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
You're coming up on your exit in 3/4 mile.
If you've made to less than a mile and still haven't achieved the correct lane to merge to in order to exit, you're anyways. Your travel time is not going to be significantly impacted by being the in the appropriate lane for an extra 60 seconds than strictly necessary, I don't care how much distance you're going. If you're that pressed for time, call ahead and let them know you'll be a few minutes late.
@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
But there's no room to your right. There's a gap ahead, but there's a car in front of you in your own lane, just far enough that you can't get through by speeding up, and going exactly the same speed as the car to your right, natch.
There's a gap behind you about 3 cars back. So you slow down a little to let them catch up, and put on your turn signal. Of course, as soon as the guy 4 cars back sees that turn signal, he speeds up to try to close the gap so you can't pull in front of him.
See, that's a sequence break right there, you start your turn signal first, then start slowing down. If the asses start humping the car in front of them, you gently start the merge anyways (not quite hitting the line, but definitely no in the middle of your lane) and see who gets the hint. Ideally you've positioned yourself so it's obvious which spot you're intending to take.
You're now coming uncomfortably close to your exit, and you're still 3 lanes over. If you keep going at this pace, you'll overshoot it, so you slow down a little more. The gap has now shifted back a little, but because you're slowing him down, the guy behind you pulls into it, heedless of your turn signal. And so on. That absolutely can persist for miles.
So what is your solution then?
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@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@coderpatsy Because it's been the best place to be for the last 30 miles?
Doesn't mean that's the best place to be when you need to exit.
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@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@scholrlea said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The other is the morons who think that the louder the engine is, the more performance it is getting
It's from the same school of thought as "I need to keep revving up the engine while in neutral at a red light"
It's getting harder and harder to find others who have a genuine manual transmission.
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- Yes, but it doesn't matter. If you're turning left, and there's a green left arrow, it means your way is clear and you should go - regardless of whether it's a dedicated lane or not. The picture I posted shows separate lanes but it's possible (though unlikely) to have separate signals for one lane.
- In Blekistan, if the signal is an arrow, it means everything in that direction is (well, should be) clear, including pedestrian crossings. I thought it was the same throughout Europe... I guess it's a good thing I don't drive in other countries very much.
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@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Even if that's not a legal requirement, it absolutely is a requirement of basic human decency!
Yet you claim the average human doesn't have this decency. You can't have it both ways!
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
double park
Had to look that up. So that's what it's called.
Wow.
Screw all of those individuals that decide this is somehow a good idea.
I pretty much never see anyone double parked, according to the "park alongside a vehicle that is already parked at the side of the road" definition.
When I hear "double parking" I usually just think of those assholes who think that they're special enough to deserve two parking spaces. It should be legal to key those asshole's cars, IMNSHO...
Obligatory:
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Even if that's not a legal requirement, it absolutely is a requirement of basic human decency!
Yet you claim the average human doesn't have this decency. You can't have it both ways!
No, most of them do. But it only takes about 5-10% to screw it all up for the rest of us.
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@jbert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Quiz time!
http://trafficlights.sweb.cz/2RL.JPG
If you're in the left lane and you want to turn left, the signal above means:
- a) Go ahead, oncoming traffic as well as pedestrians on your left see a red light, so while you should still watch your surroundings in case someone ignores the signals, you're free to go
- b) You should very slowly inch forward and then slam on the brakes in the middle of the intersection for no fucking reason just in case one of the very obviously stopped cars in the oncoming lane suddenly grows a fucking rocket engine and starts flying forward
Apparently this is extremely difficult.
Seriously, I go through an intersection like this almost daily. Generally these directional signals are used on intersections where it would be difficult to turn left without them, and they're meant to improve the flow of traffic by telling drivers that it's perfectly safe to turn left. Problem is, every other time there's this one absolute retard who apparently got a license for a blowjob, and they slow down everyone else. If the green light lasts long enough for 10 cars driven by normal people, one idiot can turn that down to maybe 3.
- Over here we have arrow-shaped traffic lights to clearly indicate that it's for the left turn lane only, but are these as well? The picture is too blurry to tell.
- I've seen intersections where the pedestrians or bikes on the other side (i.e. where your left turn is going) are actually crossing when the left lane receives a green light. I've never figured out if they were just suicidal or if their lights were actually green.
Yes to both. For the second, no their light was not green (er, pedestrian "Walk" symbol was no lit).
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@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@masonwheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Even if that's not a legal requirement, it absolutely is a requirement of basic human decency!
Yet you claim the average human doesn't have this decency. You can't have it both ways!
No, most of them do. But it only takes about 5-10% to screw it all up for the rest of us.
So statistically speaking 1 in 20 cars should eventually let you in. Plenty accomplishable in a 2-mile stretch across four lanes, unless you're timid and require five miles (one lane change per mile, and the final change for the exit ramp) to do this. Keep in mind this means five minute of work, worst case.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
If the asses start humping the car in front of them, you gently start the merge anyways (not quite hitting the line, but definitely no in the middle of your lane) and see who gets the hint. Ideally you've positioned yourself so it's obvious which spot you're intending to take.
And the other driver will make sure they will never let you in if they can possibly help it, even it means driving very unsafely close to the car in front of them.
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@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
If the asses start humping the car in front of them, you gently start the merge anyways (not quite hitting the line, but definitely no in the middle of your lane) and see who gets the hint. Ideally you've positioned yourself so it's obvious which spot you're intending to take.
And the other driver will make sure they will never let you in if they can possibly help it, even it means driving very unsafely close to the car in front of them.
Their loss.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
but it's possible (though unlikely) to have separate signals for one lane
Ick. That's gonna fuck up the moment you have someone going straight. Unless you only show the arrow when you've got a green for straight too...
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
it's possible (though unlikely) to have separate signals for one lane.
Unlikely? The additional green arrows are pretty common.
@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Ick. That's gonna fuck up the moment you have someone going straight. Unless you only show the arrow when you've got a green for straight too...
There must be a time when all directions have green, so if someone is going straight, they, and anybody behind them, have to wait for the full green.
Usually this is in the form of a normal signal with a bolted-on green arrow, usually to the right. So either there is full green, just red, or red with a green arrow permitting that one direction.
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@zemm said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
one must yield to a transit bus trying to merge back into traffic after a stop
This is what I'm talking about:
(Note I'm in Australia, we drive on the left)
I am also in Australia and this sign is highly unrealistic. I've never seen six people on a public transport bus at the same time.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
double park
Had to look that up. So that's what it's called.
Wow.
Screw all of those individuals that decide this is somehow a good idea.
And then there's parking parallel to an empty space.
"Oh, I had a space right here but I'm too lazy/incompetent to maneuver, so I'll just prevent other people from finding a space while I simultaneously occupy the middle of the road."
This happens. A lot.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It's getting harder and harder to find others who have a genuine manual transmission.
Where?
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In Blekistan, if the signal is an arrow, it means everything in that direction is (well, should be) clear, including pedestrian crossings.
Green when it's all clear, but blinking amber if there are pedestrian crossings. Right?
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@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In Blekistan, if the signal is an arrow, it means everything in that direction is (well, should be) clear, including pedestrian crossings.
Green when it's all clear, but blinking amber if there are pedestrian crossings. Right?
No, there is a special indicator for that:
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@zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Where?
U.S., I would assume. When my roommate was looking for one to replace a car he lost in an accident, he had to go two states away to get one.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
If the asses start humping the car in front of them
The Auto Erotica thread is over
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@deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@zemm said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
one must yield to a transit bus trying to merge back into traffic after a stop
This is what I'm talking about:
(Note I'm in Australia, we drive on the left)
I am also in Australia and this sign is highly unrealistic. I've never seen six people on a public transport bus at the same time.
What are you talking about? I used to catch the bus and it was usually full by the time it got to the end. Sometimes it was so full it had to leave people stranded. In fact they added a leapfrog bus to keep up with demand until they adjusted the timetable to officially add more services.
I now catch the train to work and it fills up too but I haven't seen the guards push the passengers on like in Japan.
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There's a bunch of places in my town currently undergoing pretty significant repairs, which means traffic in some spots gets incredibly bad. My friend told me the other day about how she and her husband covered about 500 meters in 30 minutes near one particularly bad intersection. Some of these places have these large mobile signs that say something along the lines of "DO NOT ENTER THE INTERSECTION IF YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT". So how about we do another quiz?
The meaning of these signs is:
- DO NOT ENTER THE INTERSECTION IF YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT (and it's insane we even had to make these signs because this should be blindingly obvious to anyone with two neurons to rub together)
- Naw man, it's cool, when you see a green light you should move a few meters forward and get stuck there blocking everyone else. Also if you're behind someone who actually doesn't do this, lay on the horn to show them who's boss
Think hard.
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In Sweden it's quite common to have a green light for turning right/left and still have to yield to pedestrians/bicyclists who also have a green light. Most common in the standard crossings who just have one signal for all directions, as it will apply to any pedestrians too. But I have encountered it with arrows too. If I go by car to work, the first crossing upon reaching the city centre where I work can do green just for turning right and also have green for pedestrians crossing the road turned into.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Naw man, it's cool, when you see a green light you should move a few meters forward and get stuck there blocking everyone else. Also if you're behind someone who actually doesn't do this, lay on the horn to show them who's boss
There's exactly one intersection (near where I used to live) that the cops actually enforced not blocking the box. They'd park on the shoulder just on the far side of the intersection and when the light turned red they pulled everyone over who was still in the intersection. It was awesome (and much needed there) and I wish I saw it happen anywhere else.
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Naw man, it's cool, when you see a green light you should move a few meters forward and get stuck there blocking everyone else. Also if you're behind someone who actually doesn't do this, lay on the horn to show them who's boss
There's exactly one intersection (near where I used to live) that the cops actually enforced not blocking the box. They'd park on the shoulder just on the far side of the intersection and when the light turned red they pulled everyone over who was still in the intersection. It was awesome (and much needed there) and I wish I saw it happen anywhere else.
Amen. It's reached pandemic proportions here in Tampa. And it's obnoxious.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The meaning of these signs is:
- DO NOT ENTER THE INTERSECTION IF YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT (and it's insane we even had to make these signs because this should be blindingly obvious to anyone with two neurons to rub together)
- Naw man, it's cool, when you see a green light you should move a few meters forward and get stuck there blocking everyone else. Also if you're behind someone who actually doesn't do this, lay on the horn to show them who's boss
Think hard.
These totally break down if there's a lot of traffic that can turn on red or something such that they always (or almost) fill up all of the available space before any other way gets a green light. The least sucky solution then is a traffic cop to keep traffic flowing from all ways, but that's not feasible for a permanent or long term situation.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
If the asses start humping the car in front of them, you gently start the merge anyways (not quite hitting the line, but definitely no in the middle of your lane) and see who gets the hint. Ideally you've positioned yourself so it's obvious which spot you're intending to take.
And the other driver will make sure they will never let you in if they can possibly help it, even it means driving very unsafely close to the car in front of them.
Their loss.
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
blocking the box
Roundabout all the things, I say.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
These totally break down if there's a lot of traffic that can turn on red or something such that they always (or almost) fill up all of the available space before any other way gets a green light. The least sucky solution then is a traffic cop to keep traffic flowing from all ways, but that's not feasible for a permanent or long term situation.
Afaik, turning on red is prohibited across Europe. On the other hand, I regularly see the kind of idiocy @blek describes near where I work, in an intersection between 2 one-way streets.
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@boomzilla Yeah, that one particular intersection could really use a traffic cop. The problem is there are several tram lines going through it and at the same time it's actually two intersections right next to each other, there's less than 50 m between them. The trams all go in 5 minute intervals most of the day, and since it's I think 3 different lines and they're a bit staggered, you get a tram waiting on almost every single red light. They're all long, too, either two smaller cars in one train, or one huge one, and if someone blocks one, which happens all the damn time, there's a good chance another one will almost immediately pile up behind it and block both intersections.
It's a total clusterfuck, I normally try to avoid going through there, except the flat I bought that's currently under construction is right there and I like to swing by once in a while to see how it's coming along...
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It's a total clusterfuck
The fix there is to fit the trams with a heavy cow catcher (at each end?) and have them bully on through the cars that are blocking stuff they shouldn't. Word will get around fast and the problem will cease to be a problem quite rapidly.